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On February 19 2015 08:32 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:29 Deathstar wrote:
Well this whole thing started based on suspicion, not evidence. Without anything concrete, that goes beyond some tweets, this is really just the imagination of some influential sc2 personalities and that's all lol Olivia sent the PROOFS to the guy from Daily Dot, not just random things. Maybe Blizzard stopped them (they said it was more tha 6 months of investigation by Blizzard)
Blizzard stopped them? Now you're making a conspiracy.
It's more likely that there is no article that's going to be produced. This was blown out of proportion from the beginning as some big secret that apparently casters and pro players knew of and something that was very pervasive in sc2 but no one bothered to mention for a long time, which then led to speculation that there was some shadow puppeteers creating fake games for them to gamble in. The reality is that if there was an article to be produced, with a juicy subject like this, one would have been produced.
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Do we even know exactly who is carrying out this fabled investigation? I can't see a reason for keeping that secret... Then we could go and badger them about updates regarding the investigation.
Also, shouldn't this information be forwarded to Korean police, so they can go after the illegal gamblers?
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On February 19 2015 12:52 Circumstance wrote:
As one might imagine, thoroughness and accuracy are more important than speed in writing what is effectively an exposé.
This. Richard Lewis won't just throw what Olivia and others gave him, he's probably trying to do a double-check right now.
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On February 19 2015 15:29 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 12:52 Circumstance wrote:
As one might imagine, thoroughness and accuracy are more important than speed in writing what is effectively an exposé. This. Richard Lewis won't just throw what Olivia and others gave him, he's probably trying to do a double-check right now.
Just like that NASL article of his?
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On February 19 2015 12:48 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 07:23 Quakie wrote:
So what's happening with Richard Lewis' article? Is it coming, or? Trademark soon.
You got to hold the ALT key and press 0153 then realse alt.
Soon™
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On February 19 2015 15:27 Cascade wrote:
Also, shouldn't this information be forwarded to Korean police, so they can go after the illegal gamblers?
Not to diss the Korean police or anything, but the likelihood they'll do anything about this is slim to none. If you're looking for action there basically nothing to be done. Shitty people will always do shitty things and Blizzard has no oversight outside of WCS. And based on my conversation with Blizzard, they're still working on it but I doubt anything is gonna come of this.
No, I don't know when Richard Lewis will do his article. Kotaku has also interviewed me about this. As seen after I did my whole tweet rampage, many people knew about it and many people were involved but no one decided to say anything out loud. And with a lot of the proof collected, many people are taking a step back and asking not to be named or seen.
So basically this is just something that has happened and the only thing that can really be done is for organizers to be more observant of where their money is coming from and who their sponsors are. This is a business- your sponsors are a reflection of you, and your actions become a reflection of your sponsors.
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Worst part of all of this is the accusations put against players.
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On February 21 2015 02:47 olimoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 15:27 Cascade wrote:
Also, shouldn't this information be forwarded to Korean police, so they can go after the illegal gamblers? Not to diss the Korean police or anything, but the likelihood they'll do anything about this is slim to none. If you're looking for action there basically nothing to be done. Shitty people will always do shitty things and Blizzard has no oversight outside of WCS. And based on my conversation with Blizzard, they're still working on it but I doubt anything is gonna come of this. No, I don't know when Richard Lewis will do his article. Kotaku has also interviewed me about this. As seen after I did my whole tweet rampage, many people knew about it and many people were involved but no one decided to say anything out loud. And with a lot of the proof collected, many people are taking a step back and asking not to be named or seen. So basically this is just something that has happened and the only thing that can really be done is for organizers to be more observant of where their money is coming from and who their sponsors are. This is a business- your sponsors are a reflection of you, and your actions become a reflection of your sponsors.
So that's it then? You said your piece, and now you hope things change?
I am sorry if this sounds rude, but what was the point of it all? Sure these sponsors needed to be exposed, but in the long run what did your whistle blowing accomplish? I really don't think this will stop the sponsors. They will find a way to run their scams. All you did was make their jobs a bit harder.
The most important part was your accusations to some players involved, and we want to know who. We don't care about the faceless sponsors, because we know they will get away with it. However, we have emotionally vested interests in the players. We want to know if our hero is one of the accused.
And what about Blizzard's involvement? Are they doing something about it?
There are too many unanswered questions, and all you can leave us with is "this is just something that has happened".
I am going to Home Depot to exchange my pitchfork for a broom, because there is nothing else left to do.
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On February 21 2015 03:21 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 02:47 olimoley wrote:On February 19 2015 15:27 Cascade wrote:
Also, shouldn't this information be forwarded to Korean police, so they can go after the illegal gamblers? Not to diss the Korean police or anything, but the likelihood they'll do anything about this is slim to none. If you're looking for action there basically nothing to be done. Shitty people will always do shitty things and Blizzard has no oversight outside of WCS. And based on my conversation with Blizzard, they're still working on it but I doubt anything is gonna come of this. No, I don't know when Richard Lewis will do his article. Kotaku has also interviewed me about this. As seen after I did my whole tweet rampage, many people knew about it and many people were involved but no one decided to say anything out loud. And with a lot of the proof collected, many people are taking a step back and asking not to be named or seen. So basically this is just something that has happened and the only thing that can really be done is for organizers to be more observant of where their money is coming from and who their sponsors are. This is a business- your sponsors are a reflection of you, and your actions become a reflection of your sponsors. So that's it then? You said your piece, and now you hope things change? I am sorry if this sounds rude, but what was the point of it all? Sure these sponsors needed to be exposed, but in the long run what did your whistle blowing accomplish? I really don't think this will stop the sponsors. They will find a way to run their scams. All you did was make their jobs a bit harder. The most important part was your accusations to some players involved, and we want to know who. We don't care about the faceless sponsors, because we know they will get away with it. However, we have emotionally vested interests in the players. We want to know if our hero is one of the accused. And what about Blizzard's involvement? Are they doing something about it? There are too many unanswered questions, and all you can leave us with is "this is just something that has happened". I am going to Home Depot to exchange my pitchfork for a broom, because there is nothing else left to do.
Don't forget to stop at the interior decor section to grab a rug to go along with your broom.
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Now it makes sense why Olivia didn't want a Korean to cast Korean players ㅠㅠ even though rule book said casters can contact for approval.
While we know Korean police cannot stop betters and people may say we cannot stop, we can help educate betters. Just like America has way less smokers than Korea thanks to "say no to drugs" campaigns. Back in the mid-90s, AOL Chat was very popular. As a middle schooler my peers and I would just chat with any strangers not knowing the potential danger. Nobody knew the potential danger because it was all new - the whole internet instant messaging thing. Now twenty years later, there's no way in hell I would let my future daughter instant message on her own unsupervised - because now in this decade everybody is well educated about online harassment potential. We cannot eradicate online predators but we can protect internet users by educating them too.
Seems like educating betters is just as important as tournament organizers. Just like educating smokers than cigarette makers. We face this relatively new era of online tournaments.
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On February 21 2015 03:21 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
So that's it then? You said your piece, and now you hope things change?
I am sorry if this sounds rude, but what was the point of it all? Sure these sponsors needed to be exposed, but in the long run what did your whistle blowing accomplish? I really don't think this will stop the sponsors. They will find a way to run their scams. All you did was make their jobs a bit harder.
The most important part was your accusations to some players involved, and we want to know who. We don't care about the faceless sponsors, because we know they will get away with it. However, we have emotionally vested interests in the players. We want to know if our hero is one of the accused.
And what about Blizzard's involvement? Are they doing something about it?
There are too many unanswered questions, and all you can leave us with is "this is just something that has happened".
I am going to Home Depot to exchange my pitchfork for a broom, because there is nothing else left to do.
The basic goal was to push Blizzard to actually take it seriously and to expose what was happening. If I made the sponsor's job so much harder, then perfect.
Like I said in the quote you posted "And based on my conversation with Blizzard, they're still working on it but I doubt anything is gonna come of this."
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So if you guys want to see the San vs Dark thread, something weird happened in the Super vs Dream game 1 betting today. I'm just providing information it's up to other people to draw conclusions but it's pretty damning.
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wonder when we can expect to hear something.
I assume Richard Lewis is giving this attention...
Not sure if Blizz or Kespa would say anything, at this point.
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On February 27 2015 09:36 Swoopae wrote:
So if you guys want to see the San vs Dark thread, something weird happened in the Super vs Dream game 1 betting today. I'm just providing information it's up to other people to draw conclusions but it's pretty damning.
Do you think the two events are related?
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On February 27 2015 12:03 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 09:36 Swoopae wrote:
So if you guys want to see the San vs Dark thread, something weird happened in the Super vs Dream game 1 betting today. I'm just providing information it's up to other people to draw conclusions but it's pretty damning. Do you think the two events are related?
No, I do not think they are linked although I think what happens in Super vs Dream Game 1 today is potentially related to the cancelled bets by Pinnacle on San vs Dark and Innovation vs Super Game 1 a few weeks ago and the San vs Dark match.
Some of the same people may or may not be involved on the illegal gambling side, but in this case it was just observers feeding info to illegal bettors for profit I assume with no player involvement. I strongly suspect player (and/or coach) involvement in throwing games for profit in the other thread. Unfortunately, i'm not Kespa, Blizzard or the Korean police, so I can't conduct the necessary investigation to draw accurate conclusions I can only speculate and draw attention to something being wrong, because there IS something wrong in the Korean scene right now and matches are being manipulated in some manner if not outright thrown. This is a near unanimous consensus in the legal esports betting community and the world's largest sportsbook and their anti-fraud team agree with us.
As i've said a bunch of times, all that most of us want is clean esports. There are some people here on TL who would rather sweep it under the rug because yes it does bring the game into disrepute (much like steroid scandals, match fixing etc in other sports) and whether it's coaches or players betting on matches, games being outright thrown or something else, so far every single one of these 'absurd' line movements has led to the player that was heavily bet on winning. Does it make sense that insane money comes on Super against Innovation in Game 1 making him a huge favourite (I don't remember the amount but he went from being an underdog to a 3-1 or better favourite I think), but insane money comes on Dream against Super in the same matchup mere weeks later taking him from even money to being a 7-1 favourite? San being bet out to a 5-1 underdog against Dark? All in best of 1s, all won by the player who has an incredible amount of money (5-6 figures) bet on them? No, it does not. The market is being manipulated. The experts, both the winning bettors and the bookmakers, are in agreement that the market is being manipulated.
This warrants investigation. That is all. Pinnacle already publicly stated they'd co-operate and share relevant data with a Kespa investigation. If no investigation is undertaken, it is either due to wilful negligence on the parts of Blizzard and Kespa or because someone has incentive not to investigate.
There is a Savior-esque scandal here and it's damaging the whole e-sports scene right now. It happened in CSGO, it happened in Starcraft 1 and it's happening now in Starcraft 2. I'm hoping it's an isolated 3-4 incidents or better yet that there's another explanation, but chances are where there's smoke there's fire.
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^I'm scared. Although it does confirm that SC2 is not the daedgame some people think it is d:
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Is there new info about this ?
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Where is that article that's supposed to be coming??
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On April 21 2015 06:36 masterrn wrote:
Where is that article that's supposed to be coming??
I remember R. Lewis saying nobody is willing to talk to him on record, so I'm guessing no article is coming until someone will.
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