Groups A and B will be played next week on the 11th and 13th, while groups C and D will not be played until two weeks later, on the 25th and 27th.
Poll: Group of Death?
Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG (445)
68%
There isn't one (85)
13%
Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (60)
9%
Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (47)
7%
Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (21)
3%
658 total votes
Your vote: Group of Death?
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
Innovation & Dark discussed it's better to kill either Maru, Parting or Hero early. Who ever pull through out of the group, it's already less competition for the 2 SKT players. Let's not forget MC might still go through considering the nature of PvP.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
On February 04 2015 22:55 Achmoulin wrote: Did Innovation change Solar and Parting, two players NOT in his group, instead of move away, say Dark, to create a group of death?
Inno acted like he was very confident him and dark would take the 1/2 spot in group A so he both created a group of Death and helped Dream, which is perfect for SKT.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
Even if I predict MC to win this season, I wouldn't say he is a top 3 PvT player. There are at least sOs, Rain, Classic and possibly Stats (?) above him.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
Even if I predict MC to win this season, I wouldn't say he is a top 3 PvT player. There are at least sOs, Rain, Classic and possibly Stats (?) above him.
I meant to say that MC has god like PvT too, i'm not doing a comparison and saying who's better
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Well tbh we haven't seen much of Zest's PvT in January apart from a victory over sKyHigh's lackluster TvP, so I dunno, maybe (hopefully) he's better at it now.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
Everyone above has beaten Taeja and Flash at one point, two of the BEST TvP'ers, Zest couldn't beat any of them (ok Zest beat Flash in a qualifier, but it was a qualifier, the other guys beat them in a preparation match)
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
Everyone above has beaten Taeja and Flash at one point, one of the two BEST TvP'ers, Zest couldn't beat any of them (ok Zest beat Flash in a qualifier, but it was a qualifier, the other guys beat them in a preparation match)
Welp there is the teammate thing going with FlaSh + I don't know how many series he played vs Taeja. And the main thing is that your worst mu can become your best in a few months, and since we don't see much out of Zest it's hard to tell until he starts to play in more tournaments than just PL.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
Everyone above has beaten Taeja and Flash at one point, one of the two BEST TvP'ers, Zest couldn't beat any of them (ok Zest beat Flash in a qualifier, but it was a qualifier, the other guys beat them in a preparation match)
Welp there is the teammate thing going with FlaSh + I don't know how many series he played vs Taeja. And the main thing is that your worst mu can become your best in a few months, and since we don't see much out of Zest it's hard to tell until he starts to play in more tournaments than just PL.
I guess, but if we go back to the GSL he won, he beat ONLY TOSS AND ZERG, the only person he lost to in the WHOLE tournament was Maru in the Ro 16, he won exclusive ony his vZ and vT, if that GSL was more Terran stacked, he would've lost I think much earlier
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
Everyone above has beaten Taeja and Flash at one point, one of the two BEST TvP'ers, Zest couldn't beat any of them (ok Zest beat Flash in a qualifier, but it was a qualifier, the other guys beat them in a preparation match)
Welp there is the teammate thing going with FlaSh + I don't know how many series he played vs Taeja. And the main thing is that your worst mu can become your best in a few months, and since we don't see much out of Zest it's hard to tell until he starts to play in more tournaments than just PL.
I guess, but if we go back to the GSL he won, he beat ONLY TOSS AND ZERG, the only person he lost to in the WHOLE tournament was Maru in the Ro 16, he won exclusive ony his vZ and vT, if that GSL was more Terran stacked, he would've lost I think much earlier
On February 04 2015 22:55 Achmoulin wrote: Did Innovation change Solar and Parting, two players NOT in his group, instead of move away, say Dark, to create a group of death?
Inno acted like he was very confident him and dark would take the 1/2 spot in group A so he both created a group of Death and helped Dream, which is perfect for SKT.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
Everyone above has beaten Taeja and Flash at one point, one of the two BEST TvP'ers, Zest couldn't beat any of them (ok Zest beat Flash in a qualifier, but it was a qualifier, the other guys beat them in a preparation match)
Welp there is the teammate thing going with FlaSh + I don't know how many series he played vs Taeja. And the main thing is that your worst mu can become your best in a few months, and since we don't see much out of Zest it's hard to tell until he starts to play in more tournaments than just PL.
I guess, but if we go back to the GSL he won, he beat ONLY TOSS AND ZERG, the only person he lost to in the WHOLE tournament was Maru in the Ro 16, he won exclusive ony his vZ and vT, if that GSL was more Terran stacked, he would've lost I think much earlier
Well, the GSL he won was one year ago.
If we take into consideration that that was the period of Zest's dominant Prime AND that fact that bascially only Maru and Polt could beat Tosses with Good vT matchups, shows that Zest probably wouldn't have done so well against Terrans
wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
I actually expected Innovation to switch out MMA for someone like Yoda. But I suppose he's loyal to his team and helped Dream out big time (2 zergs vs Dream means Dream is getting out of that group.) It's a bummer Rogue is stuck in a group with Rain and TvZ guru Dream...
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
Because Parting is way better than you are giving him credit for. I'd argue that Parting, Maru, and herO are all top 10 players. MC also played quite well in his last group and is a bit more of a mystery.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
What? WHAT? WHAT?? Sry but this post is completely untrue. Sure, the part about herO might be true, but we all know he has the potential to do well in any tournament, he is just a very good player.
On February 04 2015 22:37 OtherWorld wrote: [quote] Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
three best PvT players. Come on, MC's PvT is just as Godlike as PartinG's and herO's, unless you initially meant the cheesy player was PartinG (P.S, MC and PartinG are both players that will cheese out Fan Favorites)
$O$ and Rain have arguably better PvT than MC tho (and they're able to move their army correctly in late game :D)
I think we can all agree that all of the names above (herO, MC, Rain, sOs, PartinG) have MUCH better PvT than Zest
Idk if MUCH better is true + Zest is kinda a wildcard now with only SPL to play.
Everyone above has beaten Taeja and Flash at one point, one of the two BEST TvP'ers, Zest couldn't beat any of them (ok Zest beat Flash in a qualifier, but it was a qualifier, the other guys beat them in a preparation match)
Welp there is the teammate thing going with FlaSh + I don't know how many series he played vs Taeja. And the main thing is that your worst mu can become your best in a few months, and since we don't see much out of Zest it's hard to tell until he starts to play in more tournaments than just PL.
I guess, but if we go back to the GSL he won, he beat ONLY TOSS AND ZERG, the only person he lost to in the WHOLE tournament was Maru in the Ro 16, he won exclusive ony his vZ and vT, if that GSL was more Terran stacked, he would've lost I think much earlier
Well, the GSL he won was one year ago.
If we take into consideration that that was the period of Zest's dominant Prime AND that fact that bascially only Maru and Polt could beat Tosses with Good vT matchups, shows that Zest probably wouldn't have done so well against Terrans
I think no one is arguing with that, I'm just saying that today, Zest's PvT may have evolved, since as Imre pointed out the best MU of a player can change over time (also known as the ForGG syndrome).
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the worst Protoss? Like, that's why he got out of his Ro32 group first with a 2-0 win against Maru I guess? And why he did it again in IEM Taipei? d: herO struggles with PvP but has one of the best (the best?) PvT in the world. As for Maru, if going 3-4 against Life in the finals of a weekend tournament and beating herO and Soulkey on the way is slumping, then I dunno who isn't slumping right now.
On February 04 2015 22:55 Achmoulin wrote: Did Innovation change Solar and Parting, two players NOT in his group, instead of move away, say Dark, to create a group of death?
Innovation wants to take Maru out for 0-4'ing him in OSL
On February 04 2015 22:55 Achmoulin wrote: Did Innovation change Solar and Parting, two players NOT in his group, instead of move away, say Dark, to create a group of death?
Innovation wants to take Maru out for 0-4'ing him in OSL
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
What? WHAT? WHAT?? Sry but this post is completely untrue. Sure, the part about herO might be true, but we all know he has the potential to do well in any tournament, he is just a very good player.
He won IEM San Jose and that was one of three tournaments he attended in the last 3 months that has ended, what do you mean by strguggles with individual leagues??
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Parting 'standard' late game is not the best, he won mostly through blink micro, all-in and out-think his opponents, that's how he beat flash in HSC and Maru in last gsl and IEM. As long as Maru carry the game to later stage and watch for blink timing, he should win it easy.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
On February 04 2015 23:50 pichoo wrote: Parting 'standard' late game is not the best, he won mostly through blink micro, all-in and out-think his opponents, that's how he beat flash in HSC and Maru in last gsl and IEM. As long as Maru carry the game to later stage and watch for blink timing, he should win it easy.
Yeah, herO and Rain's 'standard' late game are the best in the PvT (ALL) matchup's
On February 04 2015 23:50 pichoo wrote: Parting 'standard' late game is not the best, he won mostly through blink micro, all-in and out-think his opponents, that's how he beat flash in HSC and Maru in last gsl and IEM. As long as Maru carry the game to later stage and watch for blink timing, he should win it easy.
Yeah, herO and Rain's 'standard' late game are the best in the PvT (ALL) matchup's
the ALL is deserved, those two are such beast in macro play <3
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
On February 04 2015 23:50 pichoo wrote: Parting 'standard' late game is not the best, he won mostly through blink micro, all-in and out-think his opponents, that's how he beat flash in HSC and Maru in last gsl and IEM. As long as Maru carry the game to later stage and watch for blink timing, he should win it easy.
Yeah, herO and Rain's 'standard' late game are the best in the PvT (ALL) matchup's
the ALL is deserved, those two are such beast in macro play <3
The ALL should include Zest, but his vT is lackluster (my main point in that post), so yeah, didn't include Zest there
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
Probably gonna win Proleague at least haha :D
CJ is here to make sure a SKT Zerg never gets the first place in anything ever, even teamleagues.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
Probably gonna win Proleague at least haha :D
CJ is here to make sure a SKT Zerg never get the first place in anything ever, even teamleagues.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
Probably gonna win Proleague at least haha :D
CJ is here to make sure a SKT Zerg never get the first place in anything ever, even teamleagues.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
Probably gonna win Proleague at least haha :D
CJ is here to make sure a SKT Zerg never get the first place in anything ever, even teamleagues.
i'd say something about Samsung but...
GUILTY FOR ACE PLEASE.
Solar sickest ace yo, giving out free wins to the opponent~~
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
herO struggles with PvP and that's all. Parting is like the most consistent player of the 16 presents in the ro16 and Maru trashed herO and Soulkey the last week only to lose 4-3 to the best Z (and top2 world) that's 2012 Mvp's lvl of slump lol.
I hate MC but this guy is a winner, he played really well in his ro32 and he has the potential to upset anyone. Being the underdog is pretty much the best thing that could happen to him I think.
Who do you place first? Dark, I guess?
Inno and Life tied. Inno is pretty much the best teamleaguer in sc2 (and he's gonna destroy proleague charts), and he proved himself repeatedly in GSL (in oversea tournaments however...) + Since 2014 fall he came back to his peak and imo has been playing better than ever (since he varies a lot, and he's able to play way more aggressively)
Dark has the opportunity to prove that he deserves all the hype (in terms of results, his play lately has been extremely good but that's not enough).
Nice edit.
To be totally fair i'm a huge bogus fanboy, even if i'm not the most vocal :D
Yeah at first I misread, I thought you said Life was top2 Zerg, and then I read correctly I changed it to INno d: Yeah I mostly agree with you, though I think Dark won't win anything.
Probably gonna win Proleague at least haha :D
CJ is here to make sure a SKT Zerg never get the first place in anything ever, even teamleagues.
i'd say something about Samsung but...
GUILTY FOR ACE PLEASE.
Solar sickest ace yo, giving out free wins to the opponent~~
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
his 70% winrate in the last 70 games obviously
Doing well in online qualifiers for the first time since... ever ?
Group A: 1st: INnoVation 2nd: Dark INnoVation will rekt Terminator, MMA will beat Dark barely, then INnoVation will beat MMA, Dark will smash Terminator's face then bounce back by defeating MMA.
Group B: 1st: Life 2nd: Soulkey Life will wipe the floor with Yoda, Soulkey will lose to TY, Life will smash TY's face, Soulkey will beat Yoda, Then beat TY in the rematch like how he advanced in Ro32 (lose to MK then win against MK).
Group C: 1st: Rain 2nd: Dream Rain will totally Tyrannosaurus Shrekterino Rogue, Dream will smash Solar's face like he did in NSSL, Rain will smash Dream's face, Rogue will win against Solar and then Dream will rekt Rogue.
Group D: 1st: MC 2nd: PartinG PartinG will smash Maru's face, MC will smash herO's face, MC will then smash PartinG's face, Maru will smash herO's face, then PartinG will smash Maru's face.
wooowwwww group of Death is D !!! Don't know whether to be scared or happy for my boy Maru.....only has one matchup to train for....i have a feeling he is going to WAX THESE BOYS. MARU FIGHTING
A: Innovation and Dark B: Life and Soulkey edit: lol I thought I was the only one predicting Soulkey C: Rain and Rogue D: Maru and MC <- cause he can taken out anyone in PvP
A: (Z)Dark, (T)INnoVation (easy predictions, but innovation could still beat dark) B: (Z)Life, (Z)Soulkey (easy predictions) C: (P)Rain, (Z)Rogue (but Dream will beat rogue if he plays as sloopy as he did in group stage) D: (T)Maru, (P)PartinG (easy predictions as well, and Maru will get first because I believe in myboy)
D: Maru and MC <- cause he can taken out anyone in PvP
MC has been having hard times in PvP for one year now... 43% against korean protosses says Aligulac. I wouldn't bet on him but well he is MC, who knows.
On February 04 2015 22:31 geokilla wrote: Group A is group of death... How is Group D group of death?
Probably the two best PvT in the world along with one of the best (the best? I dunno) TvPer, with a player that has a habit of cheesing out fan favorites and whose skill level is unknown. How could that go wrong? d:
Parting destroyed Maru making Maru look like he was just a scrub at IEM.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
On February 04 2015 20:58 Shuffleblade wrote: Why PartinG, why!?
PartinG always seems to lose to zergs in GSL, so imho this group isnt that bad for him. Sure the players are scary/popular, but there's no obvious match where he's at a severe disadvantage.
On February 04 2015 20:58 Shuffleblade wrote: Why PartinG, why!?
PartinG always seems to lose to zergs in GSL, so imho this group isnt that bad for him. Sure the players are scary/popular, but there's no obvious match where he's at a severe disadvantage.
Life is gonna die this round or the next. Innovation vs Maru in finals for a repeat of last year. Maru cheeses Innoobtion to shreds and wins 4-0, and Inno gets instant EMP symptoms every time he smells cheese or sees a cow.
On February 05 2015 05:42 Zealously wrote: Looks like the double championship dream being realized just became a whole lot more likely for Life
Darkjwa or Roguejwa
Both of them would be stomped into the ground if they had to face Life in Bo5/Bo7
Meh i wouldn't be so sure about that tbh. Life is good, but imo you overrate him a lot (i don't think he is the best player in the world, just one of them)
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
On February 05 2015 05:42 Zealously wrote: Looks like the double championship dream being realized just became a whole lot more likely for Life
Darkjwa or Roguejwa
Both of them would be stomped into the ground if they had to face Life in Bo5/Bo7
Looks like Life derailing Rogue's hype train at IEM last year when it was going full steam wasn't enough for some, he needs to do it again to really drive the point home.
INno/Dark, Life/Soulkey, Rain/Rogue, PartinG/Maru imo. INnoVation and Dark are both really good atm while Terminator and especially MMA haven't proved that they're on that level yet. Terminator could be cheesy and get an upset, though. Life's pretty much straight up better than the other players in his group and they aren't very cheesy players, Soulkey vs TY is a pretty big toss-up. Group C is very close between Rain, Rogue and Dream with even Solar possibly making an upset. Still I have faith in Rogue and I think Rain's slightly better than Dream/Solar. PartinG has Maru's number and is pretty damn good at PvP, while Maru's TvP is strong enough to beat herO and MC. Ro8+ is very bracket dependant, so I won't make any predictions there quite yet. Still would love to see INno/Rogue (or Dark)/Maru/Life top 4.
On February 05 2015 07:26 ukiya2004 wrote: MC is going to own the group of death. He almost 3-0ed Hero in Blizzcon if he didn't end up choking in the last 3 matches
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
Haha, yeah, bashing is probably too strong of a word. Was in a hurry and my English doesn't allow for well articulated grey areas, lol. Maru has been getting better lately and could possibly get back to championship quality. But I'm not utterly impressed by his TvT and never really thought his TvZ was that great (for what we expect of a champion that is of course). Parting is usually a lot better in weekend tournaments and has been said to be a top GSL contender with championship quality since late 2011, but never delivered. And his playstyle is way too gimmicky to beat the best-of-the-best in multiple longer series. At some point probability just strikes against you if you rely too much on chance-based play and then there is nothing that can safe you.
Meanwhile in the other groups I think there are quite some players on a level or above the 4ones here. To compare as an example: group A. MMA I'd rate like MC, hard to really classify but probably even a tiny bit better if we go from his performances in WCS EU and Blizzcon. Innovation is just better than everyone from group D. Dark is said to be like the best Zerg in Korea atm, and though I'd say he is overhyped, he is at a personal height right now and Terminator was looking pretty good and made it into the Ro16 of both leagues, only barely losing out on a quarterfinal spot in NSSL.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
Haha, yeah, bashing is probably too strong of a word. Was in a hurry and my English doesn't allow for well articulated grey areas, lol. Maru has been getting better lately and could possibly get back to championship quality. But I'm not utterly impressed by his TvT and never really thought his TvZ was that great (for what we expect of a champion that is of course). Parting is usually a lot better in weekend tournaments and has been said to be a top GSL contender with championship quality since late 2011, but never delivered. And his playstyle is way too gimmicky to beat the best-of-the-best in multiple longer series. At some point probability just strikes against you if you rely too much on chance-based play and then there is nothing that can safe you.
Meanwhile in the other groups I think there are quite some players on a level or above the 4ones here. To compare as an example: group A. MMA I'd rate like MC, hard to really classify but probably even a tiny bit better if we go from his performances in WCS EU and Blizzcon. Innovation is just better than everyone from group D. Dark is said to be like the best Zerg in Korea atm, and though I'd say he is overhyped, he is at a personal height right now and Terminator was looking pretty good and made it into the Ro16 of both leagues, only barely losing out on a quarterfinal spot in NSSL.
Hm i guess we have to agree to disagree then. I just don't see Terminator or MMA at the lvl of Parting/Maru/herO I actually think Maru, Parting and herO all could be in the finals of the GSL, i don't think MMA or Terminator could do that though. In Group B i can see Life and Soulkey (to a lesser extent) In Group C only Rain really (maybe Rogue) Maybe i am wrong and overvalue these three, but imo they are all very solid and capable of beating anyone if they are in form on that day (and the recent stats seem to agree with me. So yeah, we will see i guess, i wouldn't be surprised if the two who get out of group D would make it far this season though, even against Life/Innovation
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
Haha, yeah, bashing is probably too strong of a word. Was in a hurry and my English doesn't allow for well articulated grey areas, lol. Maru has been getting better lately and could possibly get back to championship quality. But I'm not utterly impressed by his TvT and never really thought his TvZ was that great (for what we expect of a champion that is of course). Parting is usually a lot better in weekend tournaments and has been said to be a top GSL contender with championship quality since late 2011, but never delivered. And his playstyle is way too gimmicky to beat the best-of-the-best in multiple longer series. At some point probability just strikes against you if you rely too much on chance-based play and then there is nothing that can safe you.
Meanwhile in the other groups I think there are quite some players on a level or above the 4ones here. To compare as an example: group A. MMA I'd rate like MC, hard to really classify but probably even a tiny bit better if we go from his performances in WCS EU and Blizzcon. Innovation is just better than everyone from group D. Dark is said to be like the best Zerg in Korea atm, and though I'd say he is overhyped, he is at a personal height right now and Terminator was looking pretty good and made it into the Ro16 of both leagues, only barely losing out on a quarterfinal spot in NSSL.
Hm i guess we have to agree to disagree then. I just don't see Terminator or MMA at the lvl of Parting/Maru/herO I actually think Maru, Parting and herO all could be in the finals of the GSL, i don't think MMA or Terminator could do that though. In Group B i can see Life and Soulkey (to a lesser extent) In Group C only Rain really (maybe Rogue) Maybe i am wrong and overvalue these three, but imo they are all very solid and capable of beating anyone if they are in form on that day (and the recent stats seem to agree with me. So yeah, we will see i guess, i wouldn't be surprised if the two who get out of group D would make it far this season though, even against Life/Innovation
Innovation's gonna win it anyways, so it's moot to argue about the other guys.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
Haha, yeah, bashing is probably too strong of a word. Was in a hurry and my English doesn't allow for well articulated grey areas, lol. Maru has been getting better lately and could possibly get back to championship quality. But I'm not utterly impressed by his TvT and never really thought his TvZ was that great (for what we expect of a champion that is of course). Parting is usually a lot better in weekend tournaments and has been said to be a top GSL contender with championship quality since late 2011, but never delivered. And his playstyle is way too gimmicky to beat the best-of-the-best in multiple longer series. At some point probability just strikes against you if you rely too much on chance-based play and then there is nothing that can safe you.
Meanwhile in the other groups I think there are quite some players on a level or above the 4ones here. To compare as an example: group A. MMA I'd rate like MC, hard to really classify but probably even a tiny bit better if we go from his performances in WCS EU and Blizzcon. Innovation is just better than everyone from group D. Dark is said to be like the best Zerg in Korea atm, and though I'd say he is overhyped, he is at a personal height right now and Terminator was looking pretty good and made it into the Ro16 of both leagues, only barely losing out on a quarterfinal spot in NSSL.
Hm i guess we have to agree to disagree then. I just don't see Terminator or MMA at the lvl of Parting/Maru/herO I actually think Maru, Parting and herO all could be in the finals of the GSL, i don't think MMA or Terminator could do that though. In Group B i can see Life and Soulkey (to a lesser extent) In Group C only Rain really (maybe Rogue) Maybe i am wrong and overvalue these three, but imo they are all very solid and capable of beating anyone if they are in form on that day (and the recent stats seem to agree with me. So yeah, we will see i guess, i wouldn't be surprised if the two who get out of group D would make it far this season though, even against Life/Innovation
Innovation's gonna win it anyways, so it's moot to argue about the other guys.
Haha yeah maybe. Would be kinda cool tbh, back to back GSL champ, the last time that happened was in 2011 (if you don't count the super tournament Polt won)
I think a lot of ppl overrate Innovation a little bit here, calling him to win the GSL. While he's 6-0 in proleague, the opponents weren't really the top of the line. http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/results/
He beat Hush, Hurricane, Myungsik, TY, Center, and out of form sOs in proleague. That's all, that's nothing to celebrate, and it's understandable considering SKT has a very solid line up. I'd like to see Innovation against the likes of Life, Hero, Maru, Rain or even his teammate Dark.
And since his win in GSL, he's trading even with the likes of Stats, Hero, and sOs. He dropped out of SSL losing to Stats, and lost to sOs in Kespa Cup.
No doubt he's a strong contender, but recent result against other top players has been at the very most questionable.
On February 05 2015 14:34 pichoo wrote: I think a lot of ppl overrate Innovation a little bit here, calling him to win the GSL. While he's 6-0 in proleague, the opponents weren't really the top of the line. http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/results/
He beat Hush, Hurricane, Myungsik, TY, Center, and out of form sOs in proleague. That's all, that's nothing to celebrate, and it's understandable considering SKT has a very solid line up. I'd like to see Innovation against the likes of Life, Hero, Maru, Rain or even his teammate Dark.
And since his win in GSL, he's trading even with the likes of Stats, Hero, and sOs. He dropped out of SSL losing to Stats, and lost to sOs in Kespa Cup.
No doubt he's a strong contender, but recent result against other top players has been at the very most questionable.
INoVation isn't invincible, but beating TY is nothing to scoff at. I'm pretty sure that TY had the best TvT winrate in 2013 in PL. And if you've been following Inno, you should know that a spotless record in BO1s against a slew of cheesy mid-tier Korean Protosses is hugely telling. It's exactly the opposite of what you'd have expected in 2014.
Could Dark beat INnoVation and advance in first place? Absolutely.
On February 05 2015 14:34 pichoo wrote: I think a lot of ppl overrate Innovation a little bit here, calling him to win the GSL. While he's 6-0 in proleague, the opponents weren't really the top of the line. http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/results/
He beat Hush, Hurricane, Myungsik, TY, Center, and out of form sOs in proleague. That's all, that's nothing to celebrate, and it's understandable considering SKT has a very solid line up. I'd like to see Innovation against the likes of Life, Hero, Maru, Rain or even his teammate Dark.
And since his win in GSL, he's trading even with the likes of Stats, Hero, and sOs. He dropped out of SSL losing to Stats, and lost to sOs in Kespa Cup.
No doubt he's a strong contender, but recent result against other top players has been at the very most questionable.
I mean he also ran through Cure, MMA, and Classic in the IEM qualifiers, but that's besides the point. Yeah sure, there's a fair amount of people that could totally take him out. Still, when you weigh everything together, I'd say only Life should be ranked ahead of him as the most likely candidate to win this season.
It's not just that he's simply the defending champ. Nor that he's 6-0 in SPL. He has a history of great consistency in the gsl and is arguably the strongest mechanical player there is. Even after Zest's 2014, I'd say Bogus is the best Kespa player to switch over.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
Haha, yeah, bashing is probably too strong of a word. Was in a hurry and my English doesn't allow for well articulated grey areas, lol. Maru has been getting better lately and could possibly get back to championship quality. But I'm not utterly impressed by his TvT and never really thought his TvZ was that great (for what we expect of a champion that is of course). Parting is usually a lot better in weekend tournaments and has been said to be a top GSL contender with championship quality since late 2011, but never delivered. And his playstyle is way too gimmicky to beat the best-of-the-best in multiple longer series. At some point probability just strikes against you if you rely too much on chance-based play and then there is nothing that can safe you.
Meanwhile in the other groups I think there are quite some players on a level or above the 4ones here. To compare as an example: group A. MMA I'd rate like MC, hard to really classify but probably even a tiny bit better if we go from his performances in WCS EU and Blizzcon. Innovation is just better than everyone from group D. Dark is said to be like the best Zerg in Korea atm, and though I'd say he is overhyped, he is at a personal height right now and Terminator was looking pretty good and made it into the Ro16 of both leagues, only barely losing out on a quarterfinal spot in NSSL.
What makes Group D group of death, isn't that there are absolutely best players, but that there are great players with very similar skill level, except MC. But since there are 2 more Protosses in this group, he still has pretty good chance of advancing, through PvP.
MC has no chance of advancing, its not like MC is pvp god in any capacity. Its like saying that Terror has a good chance of taking down Life due to the nature of ZvZ, sure it can happen. Is it likely to happen? Naw not really.
Maru and herO are going to wreck face unless PartinG manages to make the upset happen.
On February 05 2015 23:58 Shuffleblade wrote: MC has no chance of advancing, its not like MC is pvp god in any capacity. Its like saying that Terror has a good chance of taking down Life due to the nature of ZvZ, sure it can happen. Is it likely to happen? Naw not really.
Maru and herO are going to wreck face unless PartinG manages to make the upset happen.
You're greatly underestimating MC here. While TerrOr has a history of not upsetting players considered better than him, MC is the best at being placed in a group with top players and wrecking them.
On February 05 2015 23:58 Shuffleblade wrote: MC has no chance of advancing, its not like MC is pvp god in any capacity. Its like saying that Terror has a good chance of taking down Life due to the nature of ZvZ, sure it can happen. Is it likely to happen? Naw not really.
Maru and herO are going to wreck face unless PartinG manages to make the upset happen.
You're greatly underestimating MC here. While TerrOr has a history of not upsetting players considered better than him, MC is the best at being placed in a group with top players and wrecking them.
I gotta agree with group D not being group of death. A looks much stronger imo.
Also, MC does have a great chance. His PvP is great in ro16 and earlier round results. Ro8 onward, worst PvPer ever. He gets increasingly worse at PvP as he approaches the finals. For now though, he is safe because it's ro16. :D
On February 04 2015 20:57 sharkie wrote: WTF TWO PROTOSS IN HEROS GROUP AND MARU?
Man the SC2 gods really really hate herO
INnoVation hates herO to be more precise
INnoVation is sc2 god. Loigic. If I got it right from the stream, Parting offered to pay dinner or what not to audience voting for Dream to pick herO over Parting. To such length Parting goes to make group of death.
I would say PartinG has the best chance of winning if he can avoid Life, Rogue and Dark and i think Rogue could get knocked out of his group, after seeing Dark in the NSSL I wouldn't give him much of a chance. I think the winner will either be PartinG, Innovation, Dream or Life.
On February 05 2015 07:26 ukiya2004 wrote: MC is going to own the group of death. He almost 3-0ed Hero in Blizzcon if he didn't end up choking in the last 3 matches
I think you might be confusing that series with a different one. It was herO who got to 2 wins first, and the 4th game was the one that MC won really impressively. Nobody choked, it was back and forth.
On February 04 2015 23:33 Big J wrote: wait, why are people voting group D? Parting is probably the worst Protoss that qualified for ro16, apart from MC who is a big questionmark, Maru is slumping and herO struggles with individual leagues and PvP. Fame =/= Best
PartinG is the third Protoss in the RO16, behind Rain and herO. Maru slumping? What is your evidence for that?
I think PartinG is overrated these days. He is a top Protoss, but he is consitently failing unless there is really hardly any competition likein that thing he barely won over Flash. And for Maru, he is obviously good, but I wouldn't rate him over others like Ty or Cure recently and of course behind Innovation.
Lots of people bashing me for this, TT. My point was mainly that I don't think the group is stronger than the other ones (like Innovation+Dark in one group could be really sick). All of the players in group D have huge names but none of them are at their heights, while other groups actually contain the big tournament favorites like Innovation and Life.
Hehe don't feel that i (we) bashed you, people just like to argue about these things here I still think you are wrong though, haha. Maru is really solid, 70% winrate in the last 70 games. Parting looks pretty good too imo. he only lost 4 matches in the last 19 (since the beginning of the year).
Haha, yeah, bashing is probably too strong of a word. Was in a hurry and my English doesn't allow for well articulated grey areas, lol. Maru has been getting better lately and could possibly get back to championship quality. But I'm not utterly impressed by his TvT and never really thought his TvZ was that great (for what we expect of a champion that is of course). Parting is usually a lot better in weekend tournaments and has been said to be a top GSL contender with championship quality since late 2011, but never delivered. And his playstyle is way too gimmicky to beat the best-of-the-best in multiple longer series. At some point probability just strikes against you if you rely too much on chance-based play and then there is nothing that can safe you.
Meanwhile in the other groups I think there are quite some players on a level or above the 4ones here. To compare as an example: group A. MMA I'd rate like MC, hard to really classify but probably even a tiny bit better if we go from his performances in WCS EU and Blizzcon. Innovation is just better than everyone from group D. Dark is said to be like the best Zerg in Korea atm, and though I'd say he is overhyped, he is at a personal height right now and Terminator was looking pretty good and made it into the Ro16 of both leagues, only barely losing out on a quarterfinal spot in NSSL.
Hm i guess we have to agree to disagree then. I just don't see Terminator or MMA at the lvl of Parting/Maru/herO I actually think Maru, Parting and herO all could be in the finals of the GSL, i don't think MMA or Terminator could do that though. In Group B i can see Life and Soulkey (to a lesser extent) In Group C only Rain really (maybe Rogue) Maybe i am wrong and overvalue these three, but imo they are all very solid and capable of beating anyone if they are in form on that day (and the recent stats seem to agree with me. So yeah, we will see i guess, i wouldn't be surprised if the two who get out of group D would make it far this season though, even against Life/Innovation
I still don't quite understand which ranking system is used to place Innovation, Life, Rain, and Maru to be the ones doing the first picks for their respective groups.
If based on current WCS rankings, shouldn't herO be the 1st, Life 2nd, Maru 3rd, and Rain 4th? (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings)
If based on ranking of 2014 season 3 GSL, wouldn't it be Innovation, Rain, Solar, and Soulkey? (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S_Statistics)
MC has proven time and time again to be incredibly hard to predict- In terms of longevity and money won his legacy with SC2 is obvious but he is the type of opponent that can win anywhere anytime even if he has not shown great results for a while. I doubt many players are confident in matches vs. him for this reason- he is well known but what he brings is often unpredictable and very capable of taking games/series of the best of them.
On February 06 2015 16:58 spacemonkeyy wrote: MC has proven time and time again to be incredibly hard to predict- In terms of longevity and money won his legacy with SC2 is obvious but he is the type of opponent that can win anywhere anytime even if he has not shown great results for a while. I doubt many players are confident in matches vs. him for this reason- he is well known but what he brings is often unpredictable and very capable of taking games/series of the best of them.
True, and then again it's PvP. So it's even more unpredictable when something unpredictable goes against something else unpredictable. As loosing even one stalker early game can snow-ball game to a quick loss.
On February 06 2015 16:27 secant wrote: I still don't quite understand which ranking system is used to place Innovation, Life, Rain, and Maru to be the ones doing the first picks for their respective groups.
If based on current WCS rankings, shouldn't herO be the 1st, Life 2nd, Maru 3rd, and Rain 4th? (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings)
If based on ranking of 2014 season 3 GSL, wouldn't it be Innovation, Rain, Solar, and Soulkey? (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S_Statistics)
If it's like the old GSL system, it's 2014 GSL Season 1+2+3 results with points decaying after every season.
EPT
Zerg (5): 
Rogue - 
Protoss (5): 
MC - 
Terran (6): 
YoDa - 
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