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On January 24 2015 09:45 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 09:42 HolydaKing wrote:
It was Showtimes game to lose imo, that stalker could have killed 50 probes and the MSC if microed well. Though the base race made it very exciting. no way. with shields, if lilbow micros his probes back, he could stall that stalker literally forever. all he needed was to do that to defend his assimilator and use 1 probe to kill the buildings
Yup, at the end of the game it was an easy win for Lilbow :/ Poor guy...
This game could have been legendary, had the casters bring more hype than they did...
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On January 24 2015 09:49 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 09:45 travis wrote:On January 24 2015 09:42 HolydaKing wrote:
It was Showtimes game to lose imo, that stalker could have killed 50 probes and the MSC if microed well. Though the base race made it very exciting. no way. with shields, if lilbow micros his probes back, he could stall that stalker literally forever. all he needed was to do that to defend his assimilator and use 1 probe to kill the buildings Yup, at the end of the game it was an easy win for Lilbow :/ Poor guy... This game could have been legendary, had the casters bring more hype than they did...
Oh you're talking about the english stream I guess 
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On January 24 2015 10:02 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 09:49 Faefae wrote:On January 24 2015 09:45 travis wrote:On January 24 2015 09:42 HolydaKing wrote:
It was Showtimes game to lose imo, that stalker could have killed 50 probes and the MSC if microed well. Though the base race made it very exciting. no way. with shields, if lilbow micros his probes back, he could stall that stalker literally forever. all he needed was to do that to defend his assimilator and use 1 probe to kill the buildings Yup, at the end of the game it was an easy win for Lilbow :/ Poor guy... This game could have been legendary, had the casters bring more hype than they did... Oh you're talking about the english stream I guess
yeah 
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I'm curious if the stalker could have been killed in those time warps. He misses a lot of MSC shots and probe shots as well because he's focused on giving his probes move commands. If he gives the probes an attack command and does moving shots with the MSC, I feel like he could have killed it but it definitely feels close.
On January 24 2015 09:45 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 09:42 HolydaKing wrote:
It was Showtimes game to lose imo, that stalker could have killed 50 probes and the MSC if microed well. Though the base race made it very exciting. no way. with shields, if lilbow micros his probes back, he could stall that stalker literally forever. all he needed was to do that to defend his assimilator and use 1 probe to kill the buildings
I agree. I think the stalker could start winning if he trades some of his shields to chase down probes, but if there's energy for a time warp when he does that, he's 100% dead. So it's a no go.
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I think that if Lilbow had built his last assimilator inside his main instead of in the natural, then he could have easily defended by camping with the mothership core on the ramp.
Also I'm pretty sure that with better micro he could have used a time warp and surrounded the stalker with his probes immediately.
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On January 24 2015 09:49 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 09:45 travis wrote:On January 24 2015 09:42 HolydaKing wrote:
It was Showtimes game to lose imo, that stalker could have killed 50 probes and the MSC if microed well. Though the base race made it very exciting. no way. with shields, if lilbow micros his probes back, he could stall that stalker literally forever. all he needed was to do that to defend his assimilator and use 1 probe to kill the buildings Yup, at the end of the game it was an easy win for Lilbow :/ Poor guy... This game could have been legendary, had the casters bring more hype than they did...
You must have had it muted because they were doing nothing less than make it sound like the most amazing moment in SC2 history
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BRO DO YOU EVEN USE THE HIGH GROUND IN THE NATURAL RIGHT NEXT TO THE FREAKING ASSIMILATOR? FAILFISH
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I'm not actually sure if the high ground would have been of any help. The MSC has such low range compared to the stalker that it'd never be useful. He could camp up there, or come down to poke every so often, but the assim. would have died if he wasn't being somewhat aggressive with his probes + MSC.
Personally, I think the stalker player was technically favored here. Given perfect micro, I imagine the stalker player would come out ahead, as the range and movement speed would allow for much better "trades". But I definitely believe there were moments where Lilbow could have won it. His probe micro was less than stellar, especially during his timewarps. The TW's are such a critical part of the micro engagements.
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Pretty sure Showtime could have just kept the MSC and a few probes at the top of the ramp so vision was denied and used 1 or 2 probes to just slowly take down the buildings...
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On January 24 2015 14:07 astray71 wrote:
Pretty sure Showtime could have just kept the MSC and a few probes at the top of the ramp so vision was denied and used 1 or 2 probes to just slowly take down the buildings...
You mean Lilbow? He would still lose, he has to protect the assimilator.
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I think that Lilbow would have won if he had just sent 1-2 probes to attack the pylon/gate and use the msc and 3 probes to defend the assimilator. That all comes down to patience, which got the best of Lilbow in the end :o
Crazy finish though, I would be shitting my pants in either of their shoes.
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On January 24 2015 14:22 vult wrote:
I think that Lilbow would have won if he had just sent 1-2 probes to attack the pylon/gate and use the msc and 3 probes to defend the assimilator. That all comes down to patience, which got the best of Lilbow in the end :o
Crazy finish though, I would be shitting my pants in either of their shoes.
He was doing that, but then he lost patience and tried to kill the gateway
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On January 24 2015 07:45 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 07:24 Arnstein wrote:
Couldn't he have the mothership core on the highground by the assimilator? Then he would be able to defend without the stalker being able to hit it! then the stalker just goes around a bit? mothership core has really low range oO
I don't know what you two are talking about exactly, but if Arnstein thought of using the high ground so that the MS can shoot at the stalker safely then it just doesn't work that way. Air units are revealed when they attack from a high ground and units in the low ground can shoot them (unlike ground units attacking from high ground). So there is no spot on the map where a MS can shoot at a stalker and not the other way around (and btw, stalker has obviously more range than the MS).
You can probably use the high ground to hide temporarily provided you don't shoot, to recharge shields maybe or something, but that's about it.
I honestly think like Blargh that in this situation, the stalker player is maybe theoretically slightly advantaged, but any player could have won this because someone's bound to make a bad decision or miscontrol his units. I think Lilbow's best bet was to camp the ramps with some probes and the MS and try to mindgame the stalker to block his path for as long as possible, while using the rest of the probes to kill the buildings.
And also, at the end, trying to race the stalker was definitely a bad idea, Lilbow could have figured it out earlier ;D
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Wow that was insane, sad I missed it live.
Definitely should've gone the way of Lilbow there, no need to leave the stalker alone while probe could bring down the gate.
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Don't quite understand that decision to gamble on a base-trade when you had less buildings and you had managed to pushb the enemy away to establish high-ground advantage.
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I liked the game but the casters are really boring IMO. would like to see some other casters cast WCS.
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it was insane on the french stream holy shit
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Im honestly surprised how many ppl call it a terrible choice, i thought it was the right one.
Lilbow was like down to 5 probes, some of them with low health, if Showtime gets to kill just 1 or 2 more Probes, he can easily outmicro the rest of the Probes + Mothership core with less risky movements and reduce chance of surround a lot and then lilbow is a dead.
Especially since it would be a lot easier for Showtime who has to focus on only his Stalker micro and nothing else.
No way 3 probes and a MSC would have been enough to defend that assimilator without losing all probes.
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Did any stream show how much health was left on the assimilator?
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I was watching the French stream (because English had problems with flickering screens and subpar commentary while German TakeTV were to drunk to concentrate properly on the game).
And they were almost constantly switching between the assimilator and the gate at the end. There was something like 15 HP left on the gate when the stalker made his last shot, I think.
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