EPTPinnacle voids Dark vs. San bets due to match manipulation…
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EmoFin
Fiji34 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On January 23 2015 05:55 EmoFin wrote: I am kinda curious about how often pro's are not using mineral walk to scout? I almost never see them not mineral walking. I wasn't watching the game closely so I don't know how big of an exception this is, I may review it later. | ||
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EmoFin
Fiji34 Posts
On January 23 2015 06:04 The_Templar wrote: I almost never see them not mineral walking. I wasn't watching the game closely so I don't know how big of an exception this is, I may review it later. It would be cool to have a sample size of thousands of games (or atleast a few hundred), so get an approximate probability of it being an honest mistake. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12465 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On January 23 2015 06:40 Nebuchad wrote: We're getting into absurd territory with this. If your intent is to throw the game, there is still zero upside to losing that probe intentionnally. It doesn't put you at a large enough disadvantage that it would help you in your throw attempt, or be significant. Plus Dark needs to make a pretty beautiful micro move in order to benefit from that, so you don't even have a guarantee that your "mistake made on purpose" is gonna pay dividends. Is that rational enough for you? No, because if you were going to throw are game what is the best way to do it? There's not one mistake you can make, that you suddenly lose. To me, the best way is to make a series of small, individually minor mistakes, and then count on your professional and motivated opponent to beat you. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
I can imagine before a match, planning out your strategy to lose without anyone noticing. | ||
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EmoFin
Fiji34 Posts
On January 23 2015 06:40 Nebuchad wrote: We're getting into absurd territory with this. If your intent is to throw the game, there is still zero upside to losing that probe intentionnally. It doesn't put you at a large enough disadvantage that it would help you in your throw attempt, or be significant. Not at all, it would make the bad build and a gameplan look more "legit" because "hey, my scouting was denied". And once again, you are assuming that the player who needs to throw is a coldblooded professional criminal with the clear mind, and not an early 20's player who needs to secure a 6 figure number of $$ by losing in a bo1. | ||
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imRiChY
Norway31 Posts
At 8:38 ingame time you get a glimpse of San's main. The location of the forge is at the left hand side, and the overseer manages to get safely to the top left corner of the map. Now go to 12:02 ingame time and look at the minimap how the overseer moves towards the forge location, and then the +2 pauses. No magic needed  | ||
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
On January 23 2015 08:21 imRiChY wrote: The pause in the +2 upgrade is not a bug. It's just the overseer in the top left corner with a nice contaminate. That's how the UI displays a contaminated upgrade. At 8:38 ingame time you get a glimpse of San's main. The location of the forge is at the left hand side, and the overseer manages to get safely to the top left corner of the map. Now go to 12:02 ingame time and look at the minimap how the overseer moves towards the forge location, and then the +2 pauses. No magic needed You're a god. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On January 23 2015 08:21 imRiChY wrote: The pause in the +2 upgrade is not a bug. It's just the overseer in the top left corner with a nice contaminate. That's how the UI displays a contaminated upgrade. At 8:38 ingame time you get a glimpse of San's main. The location of the forge is at the left hand side, and the overseer manages to get safely to the top left corner of the map. Now go to 12:02 ingame time and look at the minimap how the overseer moves towards the forge location, and then the +2 pauses. No magic needed I'm surprised I missed that, actually >< | ||
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ukiya2004
199 Posts
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antiRW
United Kingdom117 Posts
On January 23 2015 11:06 ukiya2004 wrote: I don't understand. How can a betting company void all bets without first confirming whether the match was fix or not? This does not make sense. You need to confirm match fixing before voiding bets. This seriously undermine a player's credibility!!!!! Their responsibility is first and foremost to protect their honest clients, not to make sure none of their actions cast any doubt on a player's reputation. | ||
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Socke
Germany451 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 23 2015 08:21 imRiChY wrote: Now go to 12:02 ingame time and look at the minimap how the overseer moves towards the forge location, and then the +2 pauses. No magic needed But... but... I thought contamination is a spell, aka magic  | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 23 2015 14:37 Socke wrote: San played a really good game overall, control/build/decision/mindgamewise. He looked a few seconds too late at his MSC (was already ~40hp down from earlier, those wouldve saved it) and was ~2s out of position when defending between his natural and third. ppl who are saying he played really bad or made weird/bad decisions didnt really get the game that went on. Hey Socke, thanks for your thoughts. I know you're doing it with good intentions, but I don't think the game should be analyzed in this case. Whether he played good or bad is quite irrelevant. People have been mentioning the loss of a MSC to a offcreep queen, which I agree, is quite unusual. However, during WCS challenger yesterday in the fifth and deciding game, Welmu forgot warpgate(!!), so mistakes are bound to happen every so often, and they don't prove anything. If you start digging and watching for mistakes (or no mistakes), you will find them as long as the player is competing. It is way more damning/harmful to the player, than rumours or probabilities caused by betting patterns. For example during Davydenko scandal (he was cleared of any involvement in match-fixing later) people started analyzing his gameplay, and not only people, even the match umpire told him to play properly during a match when he was playing bad. from wikipedia: Further controversy also surrounded Davydenko after one of his matches at St. Petersburg Open in October 2007. During his 1–6, 7–5, 6–1 defeat by Marin Čilić, he was given a code violation by umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq for not giving his best effort. The following week, he lost 6–2, 6–2 to Marcos Baghdatis at the Paris Masters. This generated some controversy, as Davydenko was cautioned by the umpire to do his best during the match. | ||
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Socke
Germany451 Posts
On January 23 2015 17:02 Jarree wrote: Hey Socke, thanks for your thoughts. I know you're doing it with good intentions, but I don't think the game should be analyzed in this case. Whether he played good or bad is quite irrelevant. People have been mentioning the loss of a MSC to a offcreep queen, which I agree, is quite unusual. However, during WCS challenger yesterday in the fifth and deciding game, Welmu forgot warpgate(!!), so mistakes are bound to happen every so often, and they don't prove anything. If you start digging and watching for mistakes (or no mistakes), you will find them as long as the player is competing. It is way more damning/harmful to the player, than rumours or probabilities caused by betting patterns. [...] I agree, i was just getting annoyed about some people complaining about bad build/decision/control seeming fishy, when he actually did a great job with his build/decisions especially. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Until there is real-life proof of actual involvement of the players, this means completely nothing. | ||
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rotta
5623 Posts
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/40/sports-betting/esport-betting-1497866/index16.html | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 23 2015 22:02 opisska wrote: Thinking about it, I find this drama more and more idiotic. Anyone with a decent cash in his pocket can come and destroy the whole sport by just deliberatery putting "suspicious" bets and none of the players and teams will ever know what hit them. Until there is real-life proof of actual involvement of the players, this means completely nothing. euh, sure it might be possible that there is someone who wants to destroy the scene and has enough money to do so, BUT we now have 2 (known) cases and in both of them the player with all the money on him actually won. It would help if there would be incidents where that wouldn't be the case^^ | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 23 2015 22:09 The_Red_Viper wrote: euh, sure it might be possible that there is someone who wants to destroy the scene and has enough money to do so, BUT we now have 2 (known) cases and in both of them the player with all the money on him actually won. It would help if there would be incidents where that wouldn't be the case^^ Does anyone actually look at those? Are we sure that there are no such cases where someone just threw a lot of money and lost? I would guess that the betting websites are not too quick to cancel these ... | ||
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