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A statement from Blizzard regarding yesterday's WCS EU qualifier and any disqualifications and disciplinary actions taken.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/wcs-europe-disciplinary-action-jan-13-2015
Jan 14, 2015 by Blizzard Entertainment Blizzard and our eSports partners consider the integrity of competition of the utmost importance, and we expect all of our players to share the same values as a matter of respect to their fellow competitors, as well as viewers. While the vast majority of WCS competition exhibits good sportsmanship, two instances of player misconduct have come to the WCS Administration team’s attention during the most recent WCS Europe qualifiers. These involved violations of the World Championship Series Player Handbook and Battle.net Account conduct policies. “GunGFuBanDa” and “jeysen” – WCS Europe Qualifier #5A conversation between “jeysen” and “GunGFuBanDa” came to the WCS Administration team’s attention after a match in the qualifier. The players were discussing potential match fixing. Collusion, as referred to in section 16.I of the WCS Player Handbook, is a very serious offense. While the players did not come to an agreement and portions of the conversation may have been in jest, it is clear that both players negotiated potential match fixing. “GungGFuBanDa” and “jeysen” will be suspended from Season 1 of WCS in 2015. Both players will also remain on disciplinary probation for the remainder of the 2015 WCS Seasons. Any future Code of Conduct violation may result in immediate suspension and disqualification. In addition, section 16.C of the WCS Player Handbook states that any player disputes should forwarded to the tournament organizer/administrator first and foremost. “Lillekanin” – WCS Europe Qualifier #5After review from the WCS Administration team, “Lillekanin” was found to have violated multiple policies from the WCS Player Handbook in the Online Event and Equipment Settings (12.0), Online Tournament Rules (13.0), and Player Code of Conduct (16.0). He was disqualified from Qualifier #5, and will be suspended from the rest of WCS Season 1 in 2015. “Lillekanin” will remain on disciplinary probation for the remainder of the 2015 WCS Seasons, and any future Code of Conduct violation may result in immediate suspension and disqualification. Additional Violations during WCS QualifiersThe above actions were violations of our WCS Player Handbook. Not all disciplinary actions will always be announced. This includes account closures for infractions of the Battle.net conduct policies due to reports from players in the qualifiers, the community, or our own investigations. The WCS Administration team is also aware of other reported infractions of our Behavior rule (16.B in the WCS Player Handbook) on various social media and other public locations by players competing in the World Championship Series. Warnings will continue to be issued when players are in violation of the Code of Conduct, and further action may be taken after additional review. We take all reports of misconduct very seriously and will investigate all matters to maintain the ongoing confidence of our competitors and viewers.
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Denmark10305 Posts
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I watched Lillekanin's game and I didn't see anything wrong with what he did...
Matchfixing should be punished badly ofcourse.
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What did Lillekanin do exactly? Sorry i don´t get it.
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While I have no problems with these to actions, because they are both right, I better make this big:
"The WCS Administration team is also aware of other reported infractions of our Behavior rule (16.B in the WCS Player Handbook) on various social media and other public locations by players competing in the World Championship Series."
So better care what you say outside of the game or better, just say nothing, like most pros in other sports.
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I think it's very interesting that Blizzard is also following player remarks on social media, so I expect many to turn their twitter game down in the future.
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Denmark10305 Posts
On January 15 2015 01:29 EXRNaRa wrote:
What did Lillekanin do exactly? Sorry i don´t get it.
When he decided to give up, he suicided all his units and buldings while he wrote ""I'm a terrorist. jihad"
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On January 15 2015 01:29 EXRNaRa wrote:
What did Lillekanin do exactly? Sorry i don´t get it.
When he decided to give up, he suicided all his units and buldings while he made a joke about Terrorism and Jihad.
He also kept reading his twitch chat as well as checking twitter and interacting with people during the game, which practically equals streamcheating.
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On January 15 2015 01:31 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:29 EXRNaRa wrote:
What did Lillekanin do exactly? Sorry i don´t get it. When he decided to give up, he suicided all his units and buldings while he wrote ""I'm a terrorist. jihad"
I think the punishment was for reading his twitch chat and twitter feed during the game, in addition to the dumb "joke"
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Lillekanin enjoying the attention for breaking the game, gj! Isn't he supposed to retire soon?
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France7248 Posts
“Lillekanin” was found to have violated multiple policies from the WCS Player Handbook in the Online Event and Equipment Settings (12.0), Online Tournament Rules (13.0), and Player Code of Conduct (16.0)
12.0
Players may not communicate with anyone besides their opponent and the tournament administrators during the game as outlined in the rules.
13.0
Players must get permission from the administrator anytime they must leave their computer and provide a return time.
16.0
Language – In all languages, players may not use obscene gestures, profanity and/or racist comments in game chat, lobby chat, or live interviews. This includes abbreviations and/or obscure references. Organizers reserve the right to enforce this at their own discretion.
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On January 15 2015 01:31 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:29 EXRNaRa wrote:
What did Lillekanin do exactly? Sorry i don´t get it. When he decided to give up, he suicided all his units and buldings while he wrote ""I'm a terrorist. jihad"
Yeah, that's not cool. That will get you suspended in any sport. They did the right thing there.
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United States33390 Posts
remember kids, snitches get stitches
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Wtf GunfuBanda... I really hope that the match fixing allegations are not true.
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On January 15 2015 01:37 NeThZOR wrote:
Wtf GunfuBanda... I really hope that the match fixing allegations are not true.
of course it is true, they don't do this without proof
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ok I haven't followed the drama closely but is it that hard to behave well for just one day? Jesus. So little to gain and so much to lose, I don't get it. It's almost like some guys really don't know they're doing wrong :/
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On January 15 2015 01:37 NeThZOR wrote:
Wtf GunfuBanda... I really hope that the match fixing allegations are not true.
They are although he did get baited into it somewhat. Meh he's 16 and a pretty talented player. Hopefully the discipline will do him good. We've all done stupid shit when we were young.
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Sad to see Lillekanin getting suspended. Hes one of few terrans that dont just mass bio units and eventually overwhelm zerg because of mules. I litterally just tune away from all zerg vs bio-terran games because its so damn booring.
Its not really something that matters when Lillekanin gets info from twitch chat 3 hours into the game in a stalemate situation where they both knows whats going on except for the mineral and gas bank.
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On January 15 2015 01:38 Silvana wrote:
ok I haven't followed the drama closely but is it that hard to behave well for just one day? Jesus. So little to gain and so much to lose, I don't get it. It's almost like some guys really don't know they're doing wrong :/
Some really don't know any better, but they will learn. Like Gungfu, he is 16 yo and I'm sure he will learn. Lots of the big names did way worse things back then in BW/wc3. Many pros also don't seem to bother to read the rules and keep alt tabbing, going on twitter etc. during games. That's just stupid then.
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Would've been sad if these arbritrary disciplinary actions would've harmed the quality of the competition in WCS. Luckily for everyone, the people who are getting punished weren't contenders.
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so why was jeysen banned too ? He didn't agree to anything, and his 1k offer seems like trolling to me
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What is Disciplinary Probation?
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It just shows a certain lack of maturity of the WCS participants. Which is OK because quite a lot of them are just kids, really.
Take Lillekanin, he's just a guy being "cool" on his stream, trolling the WCS organizers without any malicious intent.
The problem is that this tournament involves a lot of money and prestige, and the trolling therefore is obnoxious and punishable.
Over-all the cases have been handled quite well by WCS and Blizzard.
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On January 15 2015 01:46 oGoZenob wrote:so why was jeysen banned too ? He didn't agree to anything, and his 1k offer seems like trolling to me
His only crime is having made GFB's bribing public...
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On January 15 2015 01:39 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:37 NeThZOR wrote:
Wtf GunfuBanda... I really hope that the match fixing allegations are not true. They are although he did get baited into it somewhat. Meh he's 16 and a pretty talented player. Hopefully the discipline will do him good. We've all done stupid shit when we were young.
Watching some interviews I must say that he and Heromarine are Germany's top 2 players in terms of arrogancy. They're both very young, too.
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Good on Blizzard for taking immediate action.
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On January 15 2015 01:46 SC2Toastie wrote:
What is Disciplinary Probation?
Well just like normal Probation I guess, just fuck up once, no matter how small the crime, and you go back to jail.
To simiplify it a lot :D.
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On January 15 2015 01:41 SlammerSC2 wrote:
Sad to see Lillekanin getting suspended. Hes one of few terrans that dont just mass bio units and eventually overwhelm zerg because of mules. I litterally just tune away from all zerg vs bio-terran games because its so damn booring.
The only thing he does different is instead of massing bio he masses factory and starport units behind a wall of turrets and planetaries. Arguably its even more boring because theres no action till he has 10+ orbitals and can sacrifice all his SCVs and games take at least an hour before he leaves his base.
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When it comes to potential collusion, I think it's perfectly fine to have a zero-tolerance policy rather than try to make a subjective interpretation.
Think of it this way: If this was KeSPA ruling over some Koreans, this wouldn't even be a MINOR controversy.
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Poor jeysen, he was just trolling...
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Actually jeysen will never ever have a chance to qualify for WCS, so he did not get any punishment tbh.
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On January 15 2015 01:49 Aeromi wrote:
Poor jeysen, he was just trolling...
Well you have to troll after you tell blizzard that you were trying to bee bribed
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On January 15 2015 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
When it comes to potential collusion, I think it's perfectly fine to have a zero-tolerance policy rather than try to make a subjective interpretation.
Think of it this way: If this was KeSPA ruling over some Koreans, this wouldn't even be a MINOR controversy.
well, the screenshot is taken from jeysen account, so it's safe to assume he's the one revealing the conversation. I really think he was trolling with his offer, i might be wrong tho, but why would he reveal it then ?
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On January 15 2015 01:53 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
When it comes to potential collusion, I think it's perfectly fine to have a zero-tolerance policy rather than try to make a subjective interpretation.
Think of it this way: If this was KeSPA ruling over some Koreans, this wouldn't even be a MINOR controversy. well, the screenshot is taken from jeysen account, so it's safe to assume he's the one revealing the conversation. I really think he was trolling with his offer, i might be wrong tho, but why would he reveal it then ?
Maybe he was serious but then he revealed it so it would be like he trolled
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On January 15 2015 01:53 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
When it comes to potential collusion, I think it's perfectly fine to have a zero-tolerance policy rather than try to make a subjective interpretation.
Think of it this way: If this was KeSPA ruling over some Koreans, this wouldn't even be a MINOR controversy. well, the screenshot is taken from jeysen account, so it's safe to assume he's the one revealing the conversation. I really think he was trolling with his offer, i might be wrong tho, but why would he reveal it then ?
That's why I said I'm okay with zero-tolerance (in cases of match-fixing) when there's ambiguity. Better to just set a precedent that says DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT YOU STUPID FUCKS
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jeysen should just have told an admin before even answering Gungfu
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On January 15 2015 01:48 Musicus wrote:Well just like normal Probation I guess, just fuck up once, no matter how small the crime, and you go back to jail. To simiplify it a lot :D.
Naniwa will be joining lichter in kespa jail soon >
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Those are all terrible names.
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On January 15 2015 01:41 SlammerSC2 wrote:
Its not really something that matters when Lillekanin gets info from twitch chat 3 hours into the game in a stalemate situation where they both knows whats going on except for the mineral and gas bank.
I think it was rather the pretence to ban him for the jihad comment, to make it more bulletproof.
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On January 15 2015 02:02 SC2Toastie wrote:
Those are all terrible names.
That's why the least terrible one gets the votes
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On January 15 2015 01:55 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:53 oGoZenob wrote:On January 15 2015 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
When it comes to potential collusion, I think it's perfectly fine to have a zero-tolerance policy rather than try to make a subjective interpretation.
Think of it this way: If this was KeSPA ruling over some Koreans, this wouldn't even be a MINOR controversy. well, the screenshot is taken from jeysen account, so it's safe to assume he's the one revealing the conversation. I really think he was trolling with his offer, i might be wrong tho, but why would he reveal it then ? That's why I said I'm okay with zero-tolerance (in cases of match-fixing) when there's ambiguity. Better to just set a precedent that says DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT YOU STUPID FUCKS
It also says DON'T EVEN REVEAL IT IF SOMEONE ASKS YOU
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On January 15 2015 01:55 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:53 oGoZenob wrote:On January 15 2015 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
When it comes to potential collusion, I think it's perfectly fine to have a zero-tolerance policy rather than try to make a subjective interpretation.
Think of it this way: If this was KeSPA ruling over some Koreans, this wouldn't even be a MINOR controversy. well, the screenshot is taken from jeysen account, so it's safe to assume he's the one revealing the conversation. I really think he was trolling with his offer, i might be wrong tho, but why would he reveal it then ? That's why I said I'm okay with zero-tolerance (in cases of match-fixing) when there's ambiguity. Better to just set a precedent that says DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT YOU STUPID FUCKS
It's cute how you kids think Blizzard's "zero-tolerance policy" isn't a result of subjective interpretation and arbritrary decisions.
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Ok great.... Now could you fix the maphacks problems on bnet?
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And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly.
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On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly.
Naniwa was well within his right to complain about the stream delay. He was unsporstmanlike about it but these situations are completely different.
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On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly.
Did you even read the bottom paragraph?
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On January 15 2015 01:46 oGoZenob wrote:so why was jeysen banned too ? He didn't agree to anything, and his 1k offer seems like trolling to me
I agree. Jeysen should just get a warning for joking about $1k, imo. GungfuBanda was serious, on the other hand.
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On January 15 2015 02:20 messioso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Did you even read the bottom paragraph?
"YOU DIDN'T BAN THE PLAYER I HATE FOR MADE-UP REASONS! YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB!!!!!"
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On January 15 2015 02:19 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Naniwa was well within his right to complain about the stream delay. He was unsporstmanlike about it but these situations are completely different.
Naniwa did not just complain, he actually accused Happy of cheating.
After the series he even suggested that Happy couldn't win without cheating.
This is completely inacceptable.
If Lillekanin's behavior warrants a ban, Naniwa's should as well.
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lol @GFP and Jeysen for thinking they could qualify anyways.
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On January 15 2015 02:19 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Naniwa was well within his right to complain about the stream delay. He was unsporstmanlike about it but these situations are completely different.
He didn´t even get punished when he said "lol joke tournament" on a big screen in front of a huge MLG audience, which he should have gotten for. It was even captured on stream at that time. There is definetly some Inconsistence going on.
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On January 15 2015 01:37 Waxangel wrote:
remember kids, snitches get stitches
Should just change the OP to this lol. If ya don't want to get in trouble don't be a snitch and follow the rules. It really isn't that hard to do if you use common sense.
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On January 15 2015 02:25 Tresher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:19 dazed25 wrote:On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Naniwa was well within his right to complain about the stream delay. He was unsporstmanlike about it but these situations are completely different. He didn´t even get punished when he said "lol joke tournament" on a big screen in front of a huge MLG audience, which he should have gotten for. It was even captured on stream at that time. So I think IAMPRO is right here, there is a lot of inconistence going on.
was naniwa even in the wcs system at the time? if he wasn't, it would be rather hard to punish him for something in a non-wcs tournament
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On January 15 2015 02:25 Tresher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:19 dazed25 wrote:On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Naniwa was well within his right to complain about the stream delay. He was unsporstmanlike about it but these situations are completely different. He didn´t even get punished when he said "lol joke tournament" on a big screen in front of a huge MLG audience, which he should have gotten for. It was even captured on stream at that time. So I think IAMPRO is right here, there is a lot of inconistence going on.
Different tournament. Different game, even... It's not Blizzard's job to punish Naniwa for rude comments in the past. They acknowledged his bad behavior and are keeping their eyes on him. The inconsistencies are imo with the community that calls for Naniwa to hang moreso than when it comes to other players...
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On January 15 2015 02:25 Tresher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:19 dazed25 wrote:On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Naniwa was well within his right to complain about the stream delay. He was unsporstmanlike about it but these situations are completely different. He didn´t even get punished when he said "lol joke tournament" on a big screen in front of a huge MLG audience, which he should have gotten for. It was even captured on stream at that time. So I think IAMPRO is right here, there is a lot of inconistence going on.
MLG isn't WCS.. they're two different organizations. Also if we were to dig up instances where someone says something unsportsmanlike outside of strictly WCS tournaments (ie. twitter, facebook, bnet chat, forums, etc), there would be so many violations there wouldnt be many people left to fill the tournament.
True Naniwa is an example where he has MORE of these instances, but if you're calling for universal consistency then people like Firecake, Miniraser, and many more should also be banned
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Lille got a bunch of new followers and subs, even troll subs, yesterday. I think even if he got banned for the season, this run was definitely worth it for him.
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On January 15 2015 02:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
How about Blizzcatraz?
Better. Or just Blizzjail. Meh, nothing really works well so far
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jeysen banned for trolling and GunGFuBanda to be disappointed after a match. LOL
As usual, Blizzard is completely fucked up.
At least, we could think about this international firm giving justice without trying to listen the supposed guilty people. There is completely the opposite of any respect to Human Rights or liberty of speech.
GG BLIZZARD
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On January 15 2015 02:40 Stabillo wrote:
jeysen banned for trolling and GunGFuBanda to be disappointed after a match. LOL
As usual, Blizzard is completely fucked up.
At least, we could think about this international firm giving justice without trying to listen the supposed guilty people. There is completely the opposite of any respect to Human Rights or liberty of speech.
GG BLIZZARD
My sides.
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On January 15 2015 02:35 Penev wrote:Better. Or just Blizzjail. Meh, nothing really works well so far
Blizzola d'Elba, WCSchwitz...
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On January 15 2015 02:22 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:20 messioso wrote:On January 15 2015 02:15 IAMPRO wrote:
And Naniwa gets nothing for abusing his opponents and calling his opponent a cheater multiple times with no proof and continuing this BS afterwards when he'd ALREADY WON.
Blizzard, are the rules on sportsmanship not included? Why include them if you don't enforce them? I just hate inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Either don't pretend to be official or do your job properly. Did you even read the bottom paragraph? "YOU DIDN'T BAN THE PLAYER I HATE FOR MADE-UP REASONS! YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB!!!!!"
What the fuck are you talking about? The reasons are not made up, they were on stream. I haven't made anything up at all. I just thought calling your opponent a cheat with no proof, not gging, holding up a stream for 20 mins when your opponent is very tired due to a different timezone so that you can continue the abuse and then continuing to publicly call your opponent a cheat was bad sportsmanship. Did you actually watch the stream? ~95% of people in the LR thread agreed action should've been taken so until you actually know what I'm talking about STFU.
To those saying Naniwa was right to complain: when you accuse someone of cheating you hold the burden of proof. A stream with little delay does not prove or even indicate he cheated. It would be totally out of character and not even worthwhile for Happy.
I have a genuine question for those in charge of this farcical rule enforcement: what constitutes bad sportsmanship if Naniwa's actions do not? I am genuinely curious how unprofessional and abusive you can be without facing any discipline.
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On January 15 2015 02:45 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:35 Penev wrote:On January 15 2015 02:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
How about Blizzcatraz? Better. Or just Blizzjail. Meh, nothing really works well so far Blizzola d'Elba, WCSchwitz...
Withholding Crappy Strategies
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On January 15 2015 02:40 Stabillo wrote:
jeysen banned for trolling and GunGFuBanda to be disappointed after a match. LOL
As usual, Blizzard is completely fucked up.
At least, we could think about this international firm giving justice without trying to listen the supposed guilty people. There is completely the opposite of any respect to Human Rights or liberty of speech.
GG BLIZZARD
Are you actually a retard? They signed up for a tournament and then broke the rules of the tournament they were obliged to abide by. Blizzard is not an oppressive, ineluctable state you are forced to live in - it's a fucking tournament. Stop trivalising important values and concepts because your friend broke the rules.
User was warned for this post
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On January 15 2015 02:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:45 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 15 2015 02:35 Penev wrote:On January 15 2015 02:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
How about Blizzcatraz? Better. Or just Blizzjail. Meh, nothing really works well so far Blizzola d'Elba, WCSchwitz... Withholding Crappy Strategies
The naughty corner.
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On January 15 2015 02:40 Stabillo wrote:
jeysen banned for trolling and GunGFuBanda to be disappointed after a match. LOL
As usual, Blizzard is completely fucked up.
At least, we could think about this international firm giving justice without trying to listen the supposed guilty people. There is completely the opposite of any respect to Human Rights or liberty of speech.
GG BLIZZARD
Please. You enter a tournament, you respect the organizer's rules. Simple as that. Nothing to do with Human Rights or freedom of speech there.
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On January 15 2015 02:20 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:46 oGoZenob wrote:so why was jeysen banned too ? He didn't agree to anything, and his 1k offer seems like trolling to me I agree. Jeysen should just get a warning for joking about $1k, imo. GungfuBanda was serious, on the other hand.
This is not a matter of opinion. He made a counter offer to throw a game for money. Both bans (Gungfu and jeysen) are completely justified.
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so curious how many games Naniwa can survive without getting dqed .
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This is really so sad
Disqualifying Lillekanin for a little joke, which wasnt any offense at all!
The Jihad is religious war, and however in all religious wars have been terrorist actings!!!
But still if you disqualify Lillekanin for this
WHY DIDNT YOU DISQUALIFY NANIWA FOR CALLING "FUCKING RUSSIANS" WHEN HE CALLED HAPPY A MAPHACKER?!?!?
you make no sense, so poor omg, this is so poor
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I feel so so sad for Jeysen. Please let him survive with only a warning??? 
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On January 15 2015 03:32 Coffeee wrote:
This is really so sad
Disqualifying Lillekanin for a little joke, which wasnt any offense at all!
The Jihad is religious war, and however in all religious wars have been terrorist actings!!!
But still if you disqualify Lillekanin for this
WHY DIDNT YOU DISQUALIFY NANIWA FOR CALLING "FUCKING RUSSIANS" WHEN HE CALLED HAPPY A MAPHACKER?!?!?
you make no sense, so poor omg, this is so poor
He was communicating with his chat and looking at facebook and twitter during the game.
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On January 15 2015 03:32 Coffeee wrote:
This is really so sad
Disqualifying Lillekanin for a little joke, which wasnt any offense at all!
The Jihad is religious war, and however in all religious wars have been terrorist actings!!!
But still if you disqualify Lillekanin for this
WHY DIDNT YOU DISQUALIFY NANIWA FOR CALLING "FUCKING RUSSIANS" WHEN HE CALLED HAPPY A MAPHACKER?!?!?
you make no sense, so poor omg, this is so poor
Did you not read any of it? He was disqualified for a lot of reasons.
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On January 15 2015 01:41 SlammerSC2 wrote:
Sad to see Lillekanin getting suspended. Hes one of few terrans that dont just mass bio units and eventually overwhelm zerg because of mules. I litterally just tune away from all zerg vs bio-terran games because its so damn booring.
Its not really something that matters when Lillekanin gets info from twitch chat 3 hours into the game in a stalemate situation where they both knows whats going on except for the mineral and gas bank.
You'd really rather watch 3+ hour raven turtlesnoozefest games?!
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On January 15 2015 03:32 Coffeee wrote:
This is really so sad
Disqualifying Lillekanin for a little joke, which wasnt any offense at all!
The Jihad is religious war, and however in all religious wars have been terrorist actings!!!
But still if you disqualify Lillekanin for this
WHY DIDNT YOU DISQUALIFY NANIWA FOR CALLING "FUCKING RUSSIANS" WHEN HE CALLED HAPPY A MAPHACKER?!?!?
you make no sense, so poor omg, this is so poor
The social media/ stream checking would have disqualified him with or without the joke, and I personally think if he'd only made the joke they wouldn't have batted an eyelash. People (including Naniwa) get away with saying some pretty offensive shit on a regular basis and only seem to get disciplined if it causes a stink in the community or with sponsors.
That being said, making jihad jokes in a public, professional setting is a bad idea. It effects the image of your game and the developer, and you're probably going to get some backlash. If players can't exercise good judgement it pushes things towards a kespa-like tyranny where you can't talk at all in sanctioned matches, which isn't what we want.
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It's baffling how many people seem to think that "lolz i was just trolling xD" is a reasonable defense for doing dumb shit
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On January 15 2015 01:49 Aeromi wrote:
Poor jeysen, he was just trolling...
Yeah yeah, life is just one gigantic troll.
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On January 15 2015 01:37 Yhamm wrote:
Language – In all languages, players may not use obscene gestures, profanity and/or racist comments in game chat, lobby chat, or live interviews. This includes abbreviations and/or obscure references. Organizers reserve the right to enforce this at their own discretion.
That rule makes no sense as the admins are not following it. There are players in WCS 2015 Season 1 who have broken this rule.
Edit: Just read they'll get a warning. I don't know what to say...
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On January 15 2015 03:55 TurboMaN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:37 Yhamm wrote:
Language – In all languages, players may not use obscene gestures, profanity and/or racist comments in game chat, lobby chat, or live interviews. This includes abbreviations and/or obscure references. Organizers reserve the right to enforce this at their own discretion. That rule makes no sense as the admins are not following it. There are players in WCS 2015 Season 1 who have broken this rule. Edit: Just read they'll get a warning. I don't know what to say...
"Organizers reserve the right to enforce this at their own discretion." The very important part of that rule.
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On January 15 2015 03:55 TurboMaN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 01:37 Yhamm wrote:
Language – In all languages, players may not use obscene gestures, profanity and/or racist comments in game chat, lobby chat, or live interviews. This includes abbreviations and/or obscure references. Organizers reserve the right to enforce this at their own discretion. That rule makes no sense as the admins are not following it. There are players in WCS 2015 Season 1 who have broken this rule. Edit: Just read they'll get a warning. I don't know what to say...
Read the last sentence of the rule and you'll understand.
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While in general it is sad to see a player go, I am still happy that Lillekanin was disqualified. He stretched it way too far. WAY too far.
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I think jeysen ban is too harsh, Gungfu is very much needed.
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I'm not sure what's more funny: the bans on people doing stupid stuff or the reactions in this thread.
Also, this reminds of the whole Coca-Byun story. Kids being kids.
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On January 15 2015 04:25 JanDe wrote:
I think jeysen ban is too harsh, Gungfu is very much needed.
On Remax they made soime good points, he is only 16 after all.
Punish him for a season, like this, but not toooo heavily !
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On January 15 2015 04:32 Ctesias wrote:
I'm not sure what's more funny: the bans on people doing stupid stuff or the reactions in this thread.
Also, this reminds of the whole Coca-Byun story. Kids being kids.
You're right it's just kids being kids, and as such, we should ignore any impact it has on the integrity of the tournament.
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Sadly, the ban on out-of-the-game communication, while annoying, is quite neccessary and stupid Lillekanin for doing that, I would really like to see if he would have gotten banned just for the terrorist comment (and spew shit on Blizz if he would).
But the rules are so vague that this may turn into a "no fun allowed" situation very fast. In particular, I really enjoy when players are acting "unsportsmanlike" on social and unsocial media and I would hate that to end just because of some stupid offense-takers.
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These disciplinary actions make sense and were fairly light. Where Blizzard goes in the future is the important thing.
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On January 15 2015 04:50 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 04:32 Ctesias wrote:
I'm not sure what's more funny: the bans on people doing stupid stuff or the reactions in this thread.
Also, this reminds of the whole Coca-Byun story. Kids being kids. You're right it's just kids being kids, and as such, we should ignore any impact it has on the integrity of the tournament.
Just let them scam the whole tournament because they're kids? Ffs
On the Lillekanin side of things, its a fair punishment since he broke a lot of rules, twice.
On the Naniwa stuff, he should be warned due to his behaviour, but also should Happy, calling him mentally ill.
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How about Blizzard acting in similar fashion regarding all the hackers out there...
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I just wonder recently, in case of online tournament/match, how do anyone know if any of the player is not watching broadcasted stream, see tweet or chat while playing? If someone was using 2 monitors, can't they put the stream on the 2nd screen while playing?
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So, accusing his opponent of maphack without any kind of evidence + calling him a "fucking russian" is fine?
Of course you have the right to ask for a delayed stream but cant you ask it in a less aggresive and racist way?
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Good, Blizzard sets rules and enforces them accordingly. I appreciate this zero-tolerance policy.
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On January 15 2015 04:50 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 04:32 Ctesias wrote:
I'm not sure what's more funny: the bans on people doing stupid stuff or the reactions in this thread.
Also, this reminds of the whole Coca-Byun story. Kids being kids. You're right it's just kids being kids, and as such, we should ignore any impact it has on the integrity of the tournament.
That's not what I meant, though. If you're old enough to play in a tournament, you're old enough to follow the rules. I think the punishments are correct.
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On January 15 2015 05:13 Everlong wrote:
How about Blizzard acting in similar fashion regarding all the hackers out there...
this, so much this
im getting tired by the fact that basically every notable NA streamer is saying their server is hacker-infested for months now, and nothing is happening... if you're gonna pretend you care about SC2, it really isnt that hard to filter through top 200 accounts on each server once a month.....
edit: im not just talking about guys like avilo who will accuse anyone that can use a mouse and a keyboard of hacking...
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I didn't know that fruitless discussion of a crime is a crime. Weird.
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Happy to see action taken agaisnt Lillekanin, no room for that junk in starcraft.
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Finally some disciplinary actions for inappropriate behavior from Blizzard. No point in having a rules if no actions are taken when rules are broken. ...and I also wouldn't mind seeing Blizzard putting a stop to unprofessional behaving in social media in general. That being said, sad to hear about match fixing. Really, how stupid is that?
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Sad day. I hope lessons were learned and professinalism will come as a result.
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Good news that they got caught and are being punished, but.... who the hell are these players?
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This is a sad day, I used to be a big Lillekanin fan, he had really good songs on his playlist and his streams where always fun but if the reports here are correct and i'm sure they are he has let himself down in a big way.
Sc2 is not the place for comments like that.
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But did GungfuBanda apologize for RAPING so many people in Zotac? He's five times more evil than Kas zomg pitchforks everyone oh wait he only listed males and nobody is hypersensitive (or at all sensitive) to them. What a clever rapist.
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On January 15 2015 02:20 Jacmert wrote:I agree. Jeysen should just get a warning for joking about $1k, imo. GungfuBanda was serious, on the other hand.
Yesterday was really a bad day for starcraft but this I also don't get: if you read the conversation between Jeysen and GFB it is clear that Jeysen don't really want to fix the game. And it is also him who made this whole thing public.
So it is very unfair to punish him this hard.
Don't get me wrong: even to talk about fixing the game was not a smart move but in this context he was at least "not the bad one".
And if I get the statement right they both got the same punishment -> not fair at all
Banning of Lillekanin was maybe right but also a hard one. In the past of Starcraft 2 there were many players who were insulting each other or behave very badly and in this contex Lillekanin was not sooo bad.
His chat at the end was not correct and tab to twitch chat is always a reason for banning but you also have to think about the situation: it was a 4 hour game and in the last hour nothing(!) was happening.
So he didn't gain any advantage over his opponent or anything like that. He was just joking about this long game and not to give up was not his fault. (that flying whith buildings and ravens in a corner is viable is the main error)
The bann was correct because of the BM but only if Blizzard and other organizations will be more strict about this in the future.
I can name maybe 10 player who did worse BM and got nothing.
summary:
GungfuBanda: punishment should be even harder because match fixing is a no go
Lillekanin: bann for WCS 2015 Season1 correct but only if admins will be more strict about BM in the future (hopefully)
Jeysen : warning would be enough, he was not correct but in the end he said "no" the match fixing and made this case public -> getting the same punishment than GFB is not fair
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anybody in tlo vs bing?
edit: nvm, take got me covered.
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On January 15 2015 07:28 JustPassingBy wrote:
anybody in tlo vs bing?
edit: nvm, take got me covered.
Just passing by in the wrong thread 
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Not like any of these guys were going to make it pass the first group stage anyway, good riddance.
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On January 15 2015 07:18 ZergFarm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:20 Jacmert wrote:I agree. Jeysen should just get a warning for joking about $1k, imo. GungfuBanda was serious, on the other hand. Yesterday was really a bad day for starcraft but this I also don't get: if you read the conversation between Jeysen and GFB it is clear that Jeysen don't really want to fix the game. And it is also him who made this whole thing public. So it is very unfair to punish him this hard. Don't get me wrong: even to talk about fixing the game was not a smart move but in this context he was at least "not the bad one". And if I get the statement right they both got the same punishment -> not fair at all Banning of Lillekanin was maybe right but also a hard one. In the past of Starcraft 2 there were many players who were insulting each other or behave very badly and in this contex Lillekanin was not sooo bad. His chat at the end was not correct and tab to twitch chat is always a reason for banning but you also have to think about the situation: it was a 4 hour game and in the last hour nothing(!) was happening. So he didn't gain any advantage over his opponent or anything like that. He was just joking about this long game and not to give up was not his fault. (that flying whith buildings and ravens in a corner is viable is the main error) The bann was correct because of the BM but only if Blizzard and other organizations will be more strict about this in the future. I can name maybe 10 player who did worse BM and got nothing. summary: GungfuBanda: punishment should be even harder because match fixing is a no go Lillekanin: bann for WCS 2015 Season1 correct but only if admins will be more strict about BM in the future (hopefully) Jeysen : warning would be enough, he was not correct but in the end he said "no" the match fixing and made this case public -> getting the same punishment than GFB is not fair
You also have to take in to accoount that lillekanin had donation notifications on for the entire qualifier, so in all the other games as well anyone could just donate a few bucks and say anything, and he would hear/read it. This is against 12.0 B.
13.0 J "During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for
pause." is not really enforced outside of korea, but still, it is technically an infraction.
Combined with communicating with others (twitch chat etc.) and the comment at the end of the game, that is a total of 4 infractions, I wouldn't exactly say that requires too strict ruling to result in a suspension.
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Hm, quite sad. Obviously it is very hard being so professional with regard to your emotions at the age of 16, but rules are rules. Luckily this is only a 1 season ban, I'm glad none of them qualified yet because that would make it extra sour.
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Now, I don't understand why jeysen was suspended too. All he did was publicize GungFuBanda's actions. It didn't appear, at any point, that jeysen was even putting on a pretense of considering the offer. Everything else - justified.
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I think Naniwa and Happy should get a warning at the very least.
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On January 15 2015 10:41 Doodsmack wrote:
I think Naniwa and Happy should get a warning at the very least.
nobody said they weren't warned
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Blizzard is a joke. Jeysen getting the same penalty as the other guy? anddd this is why i lost hope in wc3 and now sc2 ever being as good as it should/could be.
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WCS EU qualifiers are epic in their own way hahahaha
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On January 15 2015 10:46 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 10:41 Doodsmack wrote:
I think Naniwa and Happy should get a warning at the very least. nobody said they weren't warned
Then please say it clearly. No general sentences like "The WCS Administration team is also aware of other reported infractions of our Behavior rule (16.B in the WCS Player Handbook) on various social media and other public locations by players competing in the World Championship Series. Warnings will continue to be issued when players are in violation of the Code of Conduct, and further action may be taken after additional review"
It's more transparent to say: "Naniwa and Happy were warned because of their behavior at the qualifiers", than "We warned people who broke rule 16.B of the WCS Rules".
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people like gungfubanda are a shame for esports.
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Children say stupid things, maybe they'll learn from it, maybe they wont, we'll see
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Russian Federation145 Posts
They didn't ban Naniwa. Fuck you Blizzard
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On January 15 2015 13:07 Apoteosis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 10:46 Yhamm wrote:On January 15 2015 10:41 Doodsmack wrote:
I think Naniwa and Happy should get a warning at the very least. nobody said they weren't warned Then please say it clearly. No general sentences like "The WCS Administration team is also aware of other reported infractions of our Behavior rule (16.B in the WCS Player Handbook) on various social media and other public locations by players competing in the World Championship Series. Warnings will continue to be issued when players are in violation of the Code of Conduct, and further action may be taken after additional review" It's more transparent to say: "Naniwa and Happy were warned because of their behavior at the qualifiers", than "We warned people who broke rule 16.B of the WCS Rules".
I agree with this. It should be known to all players and community at large if someone get punished for breaking the rules.
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On January 15 2015 03:05 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:40 Stabillo wrote:
jeysen banned for trolling and GunGFuBanda to be disappointed after a match. LOL
As usual, Blizzard is completely fucked up.
At least, we could think about this international firm giving justice without trying to listen the supposed guilty people. There is completely the opposite of any respect to Human Rights or liberty of speech.
GG BLIZZARD
Please. You enter a tournament, you respect the organizer's rules. Simple as that. Nothing to do with Human Rights or freedom of speech there.
Read his signature.. you'll understand. He is purely objective.
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On January 15 2015 02:40 Stabillo wrote:
jeysen banned for trolling and GunGFuBanda to be disappointed after a match. LOL
As usual, Blizzard is completely fucked up.
At least, we could think about this international firm giving justice without trying to listen the supposed guilty people. There is completely the opposite of any respect to Human Rights or liberty of speech.
GG BLIZZARD
Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom to say what you want without consequences.
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On January 15 2015 07:18 ZergFarm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 02:20 Jacmert wrote:I agree. Jeysen should just get a warning for joking about $1k, imo. GungfuBanda was serious, on the other hand. [...] Lillekanin: bann for WCS 2015 Season1 correct but only if admins will be more strict about BM in the future (hopefully) Jeysen : warning would be enough, he was not correct but in the end he said "no" the match fixing and made this case public -> getting the same punishment than GFB is not fair
Have you even read the chat linked before? Jeysen was the one proposing match fixing to Gungfu in the first place. Here, have the link again:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2sb8pi/gungfubanda_to_attempt_to_bribe_jeysen_in_wcs/)
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the "im a terrorist" and "jihad" followed by the useless attempt to win(?) by suiciding into his invincible opponent was actually rather funny by lillekanin. mb he should start drawing pictures :D
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On January 15 2015 21:27 Noizhende wrote:
the "im a terrorist" and "jihad" followed by the useless attempt to win(?) by suiciding into his invincible opponent was actually rather funny by lillekanin. mb he should start drawing pictures :D
That's really not that funny.
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I think I'm gonna stick to players I can't understand so I can still appreciate their games without hating their awful personalities.
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Uhh... this is the disciplinary action that occurred in the three hour long game? That's real time, not game time.
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So I finally watched the whole Lillekanin game (waiting for applause for my endurance...). I really don't see any reason to ban someone for saying "I am a terrorist" when he makes an in-joke suucdie attack ...
Also if someone wants to throw shit at Lillekanin for prolonging the game, it has to be noted that the only one who really prolonged anything was the Zerg, who had it won for a long time but refused to attack.
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On January 16 2015 01:09 opisska wrote:
So I finally watched the whole Lillekanin game (waiting for applause for my endurance...). I really don't see any reason to ban someone for saying "I am a terrorist" when he makes an in-joke suucdie attack ...
Also if someone wants to throw shit at Lillekanin for prolonging the game, it has to be noted that the only one who really prolonged anything was the Zerg, who had it won for a long time but refused to attack.
He also left his pc, alt tabbed, was on social media, pretended to sleep etc. during the game. A lot of it is against the rules that Blizzard pointed out. Just stupid behavior over all.
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On January 16 2015 01:09 opisska wrote:
So I finally watched the whole Lillekanin game (waiting for applause for my endurance...). I really don't see any reason to ban someone for saying "I am a terrorist" when he makes an in-joke suucdie attack ...
Also if someone wants to throw shit at Lillekanin for prolonging the game, it has to be noted that the only one who really prolonged anything was the Zerg, who had it won for a long time but refused to attack.
Read the whole ban reasons:
He left his desk and chair: Forbidden.
He read twitter and Twitchchat: Forbidden.
In Chat they told him the supplies of his enemy and more.
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Of course, I know that (I even commented on that before, that he was banned rightfully for that). But there were people accross the all threads related to this defending that he would should have been banned (how do you say that in English properly? ) even if the remark at the end was his only infaction - or even just for "unsportsmanlike" prolonging of the game.
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On January 16 2015 01:24 opisska wrote:Of course, I know that (I even commented on that before, that he was banned rightfully for that). But there were people accross the all threads related to this defending that he would should have been banned (how do you say that in English properly? ) even if the remark at the end was his only infaction - or even just for "unsportsmanlike" prolonging of the game.
Well I would still have DQed him only for hist last remarks, only from that 1 qualifer though. But remember he already got warned from Blizzard in the qualifer before (which I found stupid), so he really just should've been smarter.
On the other hand, I think he got what he wanted though. Seems to me like the attention, followers and subs he gained is more important to him than a shot at WCS. So maybe he was smart.
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Punishing Jeysen is simply incredible here ...
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On January 16 2015 01:30 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 01:24 opisska wrote:Of course, I know that (I even commented on that before, that he was banned rightfully for that). But there were people accross the all threads related to this defending that he would should have been banned (how do you say that in English properly? ) even if the remark at the end was his only infaction - or even just for "unsportsmanlike" prolonging of the game. Well I would still have DQed him only for hist last remarks, only from that 1 qualifer though. But remember he already got warned from Blizzard in the qualifer before (which I found stupid), so he really just should've been smarter.
Didn't he get a warning for the other game he delayed for two hours?
It was very convenient for the admins that Lillekanin was streaming so they could punish him for stretching another game out over 4 hours AHUM I mean reading social media!
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Well in Case of GungFu = Lucky enough nothing happend in the end. Might have put WCS in a very very bad place.
Jeysen baited for big money, GungFu wont pay 1000€ but was willingly to do promotion for him or pay a lesser amount of money.
He already made very clear that matchfixing was his intention and that it was a mistake. It's over.
And about Lillekannin? The ball is in Blizzards court
Free units vs. PDDs and Turrets?
Nice Idea:
https://twitter.com/DeMusliM/status/553657732579217408/photo/1
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On January 15 2015 04:50 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 04:25 JanDe wrote:
I think jeysen ban is too harsh, Gungfu is very much needed. On Remax they made soime good points, he is only 16 after all. Punish him for a season, like this, but not toooo heavily !
One of the more annoying parts of sc2 is that so many of the competitors are obnoxious kids. Let's punish them harshly to scare them off idiocy until they grow up enough to learn to control themselves.
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On January 16 2015 02:45 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 04:50 SC2Toastie wrote:On January 15 2015 04:25 JanDe wrote:
I think jeysen ban is too harsh, Gungfu is very much needed. On Remax they made soime good points, he is only 16 after all. Punish him for a season, like this, but not toooo heavily ! One of the more annoying parts of sc2 is that so many of the competitors are obnoxious kids. Let's punish them harshly to scare them off idiocy until they grow up enough to learn to control themselves.
yeah. If they're old enough to compete, they're old enough to be treated as normal competitors.
Or just make them play a teenage WCS, lol.
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On January 16 2015 01:09 opisska wrote:
So I finally watched the whole Lillekanin game (waiting for applause for my endurance...). I really don't see any reason to ban someone for saying "I am a terrorist" when he makes an in-joke suucdie attack ...
Also if someone wants to throw shit at Lillekanin for prolonging the game, it has to be noted that the only one who really prolonged anything was the Zerg, who had it won for a long time but refused to attack.
Suicide bomber jokes don't go over well bud.
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On January 15 2015 21:55 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 21:27 Noizhende wrote:
the "im a terrorist" and "jihad" followed by the useless attempt to win(?) by suiciding into his invincible opponent was actually rather funny by lillekanin. mb he should start drawing pictures :D That's really not that funny.
Might be a cultural thing
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On January 16 2015 04:00 Noizhende wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 21:55 ZenithM wrote:On January 15 2015 21:27 Noizhende wrote:
the "im a terrorist" and "jihad" followed by the useless attempt to win(?) by suiciding into his invincible opponent was actually rather funny by lillekanin. mb he should start drawing pictures :D That's really not that funny. Might be a cultural thing
more like a maturity thing here
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Not, suicide jokes are not very appropiate to public events. And much less now that we had a recent terrorist attack with islamic component. I find the joke funny enough (because it is a huge stupidity) to be pronounced between friends in a match, but the actual social context and the "public" place where it was pronounced is not appropiate for it.
The other problem, the dragged and slowed turtle game, is basically a balance problem of ravens that takes very little to be fixed. Either Locusts attacks aren't stopped, or PDD duration is decreased. And I prefer the second one. More tactical.
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But, but...: (don't worry it's just an old videoclip of a suicide attack)
+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 16 2015 09:12 JCoto wrote:
Not, suicide jokes are not very appropiate to public events. And much less now that we had a recent terrorist attack with islamic component. I find the joke funny enough (because it is a huge stupidity) to be pronounced between friends in a match, but the actual social context and the "public" place where it was pronounced is not appropiate for it.
The other problem, the dragged and slowed turtle game, is basically a balance problem of ravens that takes very little to be fixed. Either Locusts attacks aren't stopped, or PDD duration is decreased. And I prefer the second one. More tactical.
Why does everyone think its just the Raven. Its not the Raven alone stop this bullshit guys. Its also the Swarmhost. Its just really badly designed. I dont know how the designers didnt realized it during the development or the beta. Theres a reason they want to extinguish the fire they started themselves by changing the economy and several Units. Caster Units in general were too strong, we saw it in WoL.Blizzard just waits too long and is not in man mode to change it immediately like other companies. Theres one chance left to make this game good again but if they fail again its over. I doubt they will change design heavily if LotV comes up with broken Unit design again.
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