EPTBBC: Should eSports be Olympic events? - Page 5
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stapla05
Australia67 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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Piste
6183 Posts
Well, theres lots of sports in olympics that requires understanding of the game, game sense and ability to read your opponent(s) to get into that level. It's not all about muscles, endurace or agility. Except thinking ability, at least starcraft also requires good mechanics and not everyone is cabable of achieving 350apm in 30min match with awesome precision and pixelpresice accuracy. Not all computer games requires this (e.g. HeartStone). Yet, I do not think that e-Sports should be mixed and messed with regular sports. edit: On December 26 2014 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Gamers already know where to watch gaming events. Gamers already know that if they want to watch it they can find a way. Television isn't needed because that's not our audience. The people who don't play games or didn't grow up playing them aren't suddenly going to come flocking to ESPN8 to watch LoL, Dota, SC, SF, whatever. The audience already knows where to find it; just like with things such as poker. Yeah, I agree each sentence. + traditional TV is becoming kind of outdated source for media and entertainment anyways. | ||
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GoStu
Canada60 Posts
1) It's not good for the Olympics to bring Starcraft on as an event. - Think of the derision that's been thrown their way when a sport like Ribbon is introduced as the new Olympic event. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_%28rhythmic_gymnastics%29). Can you imagine the outrage from the general 'sporting' community that'd show up when our mostly-Korean 'athletes' show up? - Think of the logistical nightmare associated with every previous Olympics, an event which typically loses a lot of money for the host nation. Now, add another large venue to the required list of facilities. SC2 tournaments don't happen in a shoebox. This venue requires equipment no other sports require, so no doubling up. 2) It's not good for the nations involved, except South Korea. I don't expect a ton of support from many nation's Olympic teams to fund an event in which they stand barely any chance of bringing a medal back. South Korea dominates the Starcraft scenes so heavily that it's almost a given that Gold, Silver, and Bronze all go to the same nation. The question is just which specific Koreans will take the medals, more or less. Sure, there's an outside chance that another nation *might* pick up a medal, but it's going to be the event most dominated by a single nation in either winter or summer Olympics. I'd place serious cash on 2/3 medals going to Korea and an extra rider on the third going that way too. 3) It may not be good for the E-Sports scene to get involved with the Olympics. This is a point I've yet to see mentioned in the discussion. There's some popular opinion that the Olympics is a dying thing. It's going to be a long, drawn-out death, but it's on the decline. Time wrote a particularly damning article, about how it's getting difficult to find hosts for the games. Winter 2022 only has two cities left that are even trying for it - Beijing, China; and Almaty, Kazakhstan. [Article: http://time.com/3462070/olympics-winter-2022/］. We're trying to be up-and-coming - is getting involved with this increasingly corrupt and bloated organization even a good idea? Further, the format of the Olympics is just WRONG for Starcraft. Whichever Olympic Games Starcraft would end up it, it'd be four years between competitions. Think of all the changes in metagame, tactics, strategy, maps, etc that occur on a seasonal basis. A four-year cycle is impossible for us. We're literally not playing the same game we were four years ago, and we won't be playing the same game four years from now. Four years after that, it'd quite possibly be yet another game as Starcraft 3: Revenge of the Rocks could be in development right now for all we know. | ||
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stapla05
Australia67 Posts
On December 26 2014 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Gamers already know where to watch gaming events. Gamers already know that if they want to watch it they can find a way. Television isn't needed because that's not our audience. The people who don't play games or didn't grow up playing them aren't suddenly going to come flocking to ESPN8 to watch LoL, Dota, SC, SF, whatever. The audience already knows where to find it; just like with things such as poker. I get where your coming from most gamers know where to go. But we can always get new people involved if we what it to grow. By stretching to a different audience some people will be interested some will not. I am sure some kids that watch it would get excited and be intrigued to watch it but some adults will find it really boring and out of place. Just saying the because it would benefit the game. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On December 26 2014 11:07 FiWiFaKi wrote: Don't get me wrong, I don't mind these being olympic sports and video games not being. But simply put, most of the ones I listed don't promote physical health. They have a history, and require certain skills, but don't require a body in great physical shape. What? Fencing is one of the most physically and mentally demanding sports at the Olympics. The problem with any e-sport at the Olympics is that to be an Olympic sport you need all the rules to be very precise and standardized. Everything needs to be standardized, patches are a big no-no. Aside from Brood War, which game is 'finished'? Adding one patch in lol or dota is equal to changing the rules of the sport, you in essence change the game. This is why e-sports are called e-sports, not sports. And its completely fine to be in a different genre. Being in the Olympics would just turn everything into one big circus anyway, it would be chaos. The IOC hosting a kind of e-sport Olympics every 2-3 years would be a nice solution. edit: Oh, and the fact that there would be companies 'owning' Olypmic sports... yeah... Games would need to be open source. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 25 2014 15:02 docvoc wrote: Shooting, and the use of tools in sports is not the same as E-Sports. E-Sports makes use of an engine outside of the real world engine to make the game work. That's like arguing that a sport like Hockey isn't as much of sport because a player uses a stick or skates. There is very little that is unambiguous here. If a sport makes use of an engine that isn't based on nature then it isn't going to be olympic. I didn't know that electrons in motion were outside of nature. I guess it's time to start believing in the supernatural. | ||
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Bastinian
Serbia177 Posts
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RedFury
Italy85 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Kane vs LookNoHands gogogogogogo. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7183 Posts
On December 26 2014 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Gamers already know where to watch gaming events. Gamers already know that if they want to watch it they can find a way. Television isn't needed because that's not our audience. The people who don't play games or didn't grow up playing them aren't suddenly going to come flocking to ESPN8 to watch LoL, Dota, SC, SF, whatever. The audience already knows where to find it; just like with things such as poker. Well, we got Counter Strike twice from TV this year in Finland and alot more people are now interested in esports in here, so i think it was a good move. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Esports are different that sports, they don't need olympics, arguably all DH, MLGs and sthat kind of stuff are the olympics right now. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
I'm not too much into the whole sport vs not sport debate; don't see why the Olympics couldn't include competitive games as well as sports. In terms of popularity the most popular esports are vastly more popular than the least popular olympic sports, especially if you include winter olympics, so no issue there. But realistically, we have to ask how relevant the Olympics really is. Maybe it was 10 years ago, when you could watch events on TV or live. Nowdays, not so much. People are more likely to be exposed to esports through other channels and this will only be more true 10 years from now. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Granted there are many problems. I agree with the concern above that the games change too much. But if you could have a stable e-sport, then that'd be great. | ||
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