EPTBBC: Should eSports be Olympic events? - Page 4
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KrOmander
United Kingdom78 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
On December 25 2014 18:52 algue wrote: We could add the IOC to the evil StarCraft organisations rating thread IOC + KeSPa working together would be just great. Just absolutely great. Echoing what a lot of others have said, not really a great idea. We're legitimate to ourselves, I don't feel we have to "prove ourselves" to the greater audience of the world since we ARE a niche and I like it that way. Not to say we shouldn't get bigger, I just don't think getting "olympic big" is where we need to go, especially since there are so many things that could be done wrong by the IOC if they don't handle esporting events correctly. On December 26 2014 05:30 KrOmander wrote: Olympics? Just do not see it. A reinvigorated WCG or something would be better for e-sports imo. So much this, just of course with less money falling through the floor and mobile games of course. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
finger dexterity? get the fuck out. its a strategy game, not a typing competition. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
I can't see it there otherwise, as the fact esports games today are developed by companies and that it makes it quite strange. Dunno how to express it correctly, but my gut feeling is that it's wrong in the way it is today ^^. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9384 Posts
Mr Pardo argues that e-sports could be visually appealing to a broad audience. "You can do whatever you want with the graphics, you can make it be really excited and competitive," he said. It's unfortunate that the whole article is based upon comments from one guy who doesn't understand why a sport/esport becomes popular/interesting to watch. Graphics are almost irrelevant - at least good graphics doesn't make it more exciting. Rather, the issue with esports is mainly that it can be quite difficult to understand what's going on if do not have any experience with playing them yourself. That's unlike sports such as swimming that you can watch and root for your nationalty, even if you do not have any past experience with the sport. At the current point in time, CS is probably the esport that is the easiest to understand for the mainstream audience. The size of esport difficult isn't the issue though. A game such as League of Legends is much more widely played and watched than many of the smaller sports at the olympycs. Moreover, esports is also almost certain too grow at a very high rate over the next 5-15 years, and it also creates an opportunity for the olympycs to target the young audience. Therefore, there are definitely strong arguments for including esports into OL. However, there are much stronger arguments against it, and those it isn't realistic withing an 8-12 year old time frame. it'll be the laughing stock of olympics. people are trying to compare it to the least physically demanding sports, that is the first problem. though some sports may not take physical prowess, it does require physical skill like shooting and archery, even golf. I see that as unlikely. League of Legends could fill out a 40k stadium at the worlds final. You would see similar numbers - or perhaps even better - at the olympycs, and thus it will be way too popular to be considered a laughing stock. There will definitely be critics, but I think the general perception will be that this is the future. Therefore it would be great if it could be included, but it's very unlikely that it will. | ||
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SuperChar
Ireland3 Posts
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zimz
United States510 Posts
Honestly they don't deserve to be in the Olympic Village with all these other hot athletes and fine specimens. It would be embarrassing. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Like it was pointed out already, how can you have something in the Olympics that is owned by a company? Automatically, any "sport" that is physically owned by a company is disqualified from being in the Olympics. An Olympic sport should be accessible to any person in the world for free if you can recreate the tools to use it. Not depend on Blizzard servers and giving Blizzard $30 to play the game. This is the number one thing that will NEVER allow an esport game to be in the olympics. Unless a company says, hey, we're done with this game, you can set up your server, and play it. As long as there is any copyright, it wont work. Next, the lifespan of a pro and the lifespan of games... It's too short. Putting a game like Dota 2, LoL, or SC2 is a completely waste in my eyes. They are games that have been around for 3-4 years, with truly an uncertain future. I would say at MINIMUM, a game must have 10 years of active play with an active audience and tournament base... And to be considered it'd need to have a positive outlook for the next 10 years. There is no game in the world right now (not even BW), that is at that level. Like mentioned, most games would be in the olympics once or twice if it was selected from current games, and considering that a players career tends to be 1-5 years in SC2 or Dota, 4 years seems far too long anyway. Anyway, I kind of like what one poster said, I think Olympic games should be ones that take place in "the real world engine". I think that's what separates sports like curling, shooting, archery, etc... And video games. They are similar in a way, where physical strength isn't that important, it's more so concentration, dexterity, mental strength, etc. And that's why I think the best option is also the "Cybersport Olympics"... Except they don't need to be called olympics, and they don't need to take place every four years. There are many logistic problems associated with it however. Firstly, Olympics don't really payout money, and as such, you compete in the Olympics mainly for prestige. Look at WCG, it has no prestige, nobody cares enough to even go there. Until some body gets enough recognition, no country will make some bid to host the largest annual or biennial event if it gets no exposure from it. And in video games, I just feel like people aren't playing to make people proud, rather to have fun and make money, I'm not using the right words to express it, but I hope some people understand what I mean. Oh, last thing I would also add is it's difficult to regulate or promote an esport in a country. Like when you have an Olympics team of ski jumpers, nobody in your country and just come up, and be like... yo, I'm better. But the seeding process for esports seems quite hectic. Since how do you decide who gets to play? You host a random online tournament, and you'll send someone who you've never even seen before to these olympics? It's not an impossible obstacle to overcome, but anything that takes place over the internet just naturally has less structure, and it'd hurt the event. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 26 2014 10:40 zimz wrote: No. Olympics should promote physical health and the beauty of what the human body is capable. Honestly they don't deserve to be in the Olympic Village with all these other hot athletes and fine specimens. It would be embarrassing. Just like in: Archery Canoe Slalom Canoe Sprint BMX Equestrian/Dressage Equestrian/Eventing Equestrian/Jumping Fencing Golf Sailing Shooting Table Tennis Bobsleigh Curling Luge Skeleton Ski Jumping ? | ||
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castleeMg
Canada761 Posts
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zimz
United States510 Posts
On December 26 2014 10:56 FiWiFaKi wrote: Just like in: Archery Canoe Slalom Canoe Sprint BMX Equestrian/Dressage Equestrian/Eventing Equestrian/Jumping Fencing Golf Sailing Shooting Table Tennis Bobsleigh Curling Luge Skeleton Ski Jumping ? All those promote physical health. and Fencing(Sword Fighting),Archery, Sailing, Shooting, Horse Riding, Canoe= over 10,000+ years old arts human co evolved with for survival. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 26 2014 11:04 zimz wrote: All those promote physical health. and Fencing(Sword Fighting),Archery, Sailing, Shooting, Horse Riding, Canoe= over 10,000 years old arts human co evolved with for survival. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind these being olympic sports and video games not being. But simply put, most of the ones I listed don't promote physical health. They have a history, and require certain skills, but don't require a body in great physical shape. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
I'm not saying e-sports shoudl be included, they should be held to the same criteria. When doing that I can only disagree with it's inclusion, as there is in my view a lack of organisation of professional scene ánd amateur scene. Also, e-sports are too broad. I might support a game that has a large following after a longer period of time. Lengthwise only bw (compared to the age of games in general), and in terms of social impact only LoL would come even close what I'd think is necessary to warrant inclusion. Edit: Fiwifaki has a great point about commercialization of games. That's a point i overlooked. If a company has direct commercial benefit from the inclusion, it can't happen, ruling out almost all games. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
edit 2: Actually I suppose the olympics is known throughout history for being about physical sports, so "finger dexterity" doesn't really cut it. And the same is true for chess. But curling is basically all about the gentlest of touches and is more than just fat dudes hurling rocks down an alley. Also I think the issues of ownership by a company could be sorted out; after all you need quite a bit of money to participate in many other olympic games, and you will surely purchase supplies from a variety of different companies for any (physical) sport. So I'm not sure how paying $40 (whatever the price is now) to one company is a very meaningful impediment. Even if it does have a monopoly, how does this really affect anything? edit: Did you guys read this tidbit from the article? I found it funny (anti-doping??), but it also addresses exactly the issue with chess: Take chess, for instance. Supporters of the game have long called for its inclusion the Games, but the IOC has been reluctant, considering it a "mind sport" and therefore not welcome in the Games. Video games face the same hurdle, but has done its best to at least act like a sport, by adding measures such as an anti-doping programme. Mr Pardo argues that e-sports could be visually appealing to a broad audience. "You can do whatever you want with the graphics, you can make it be really excited and competitive," he said. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On December 26 2014 12:15 radscorpion9 wrote: Well e-sports simply doesn't have the level of popularity necessary for it to be considered on the world stage. The only ones that should really be considered are counter strike...or league of legends. I don't think the sport necessarily needs to be easy to understand; just so long as it has a sufficiently large audience it should be okay. But it definitely helps in obtaining a large audience; most people tend to enjoy relatively simple things which are nevertheless exciting to watch. edit 2: Actually I suppose the olympics is known throughout history for being about physical sports, so "finger dexterity" doesn't really cut it. And the same is true for chess. But curling is basically all about the gentlest of touches and is more than just fat dudes hurling rocks down an alley. Also I think the issues of ownership by a company could be sorted out; after all you need quite a bit of money to participate in many other olympic games, and you will surely purchase supplies from a variety of different companies for any (physical) sport. So I'm not sure how paying $40 (whatever the price is now) to one company is a very meaningful impediment. Even if it does have a monopoly, how does this really affect anything? edit: Did you guys read this tidbit from the article? I found it funny (anti-doping??), but it also addresses exactly the issue with chess: Popularity? Who plays/watches curling? When I think of the Olympics, I think of obscure niche sports that only a handful of people play (at least in my mind). And, ofc I think of track and field, and who is the fastest black person... I'm all for more events that are country vs country, whether it involves sweating or thinking or w/e. Anything that would further legitimize esports would be a big plus, too. It's too bad there aren't more WCG type things. The only player that would probably be against it would be Crank, who would be throwing a pity party for not being able to play for Ghana. Sorry, random but true jab. | ||
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ETisME
12391 Posts
On December 26 2014 11:07 FiWiFaKi wrote: Don't get me wrong, I don't mind these being olympic sports and video games not being. But simply put, most of the ones I listed don't promote physical health. They have a history, and require certain skills, but don't require a body in great physical shape. most of the ones you listed promote physical health, they just don't go onto extreme ends like weight lifting. Most people don't realize but shooting for example does require quite a bit of physical strength @playa Curling viewership is not bad at all: "According to a CBC feature, curling at the 2006 Winter Games drew 5 million viewers, eclipsing ice hockey and figure skating" from the wiki | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
I would keep the Olympics as they are and continue something like the World Cyber Games. | ||
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Hydro033
United States136 Posts
Personally, I think eSports has enough genres and games behind it to earn its own type of event. an e-lympics if you will (or the uhm World Cyber Games perhaps?). It should really be its own thing. This is something most people may not know, but the Olympics is in a quandary because some members want to remove classic events for more extreme sports in order to be more appealing. They are removing events because they want to cap the number of participants in order to keep down logistic costs. So, introducing eSports (especially, LoL, dota, cs) would be a fucking nightmare because they all have large rosters. So introducing esports would necessarily be removing other events and I think that's shitty. They even removed wrestling. FUCKING WRESTLING. The oldest goddamn event there is. Jesus christ. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On December 26 2014 10:56 FiWiFaKi wrote: Just like in: Archery Canoe Slalom Canoe Sprint BMX Equestrian/Dressage Equestrian/Eventing Equestrian/Jumping Fencing Golf Sailing Shooting Table Tennis Bobsleigh Curling Luge Skeleton Ski Jumping ? The majority of sports that you listed require the athlete to be in quality physical shape. | ||
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flashimba
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