EPTCS:GO Replacing SC2 as Dreamhack's Main Game - Page 9
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Blackrobe
United States806 Posts
CS:GO's momentum will decide. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On December 15 2014 23:28 johnbongham wrote: Also, that prize money from valve is funded by CSGO players when they buy 'keys' to unlock weapon crates that they earn in-game. Then during the actual tournaments, players can buy 'stickers' of their favorite team logos that they can put on their weapons in-game and the sticker money goes directly to the teams as extra income. It is really exciting how valve has managed to monetize CSGO in a way that benefits the competitive scene and makes it sustainable without anyone losing their investment into the game. Didnt know this, valve in my eyes seems to do a lot right. Inevitable. Shooting people in the face with guns will (sadly) Have more appeal than a high learning curve RTS. After all FPS is a game genre anyone can pick up instantly and understand. Not so with StarCraft. Like someone else mentioned. They'd already had SC2 on a side stage at the finals. However, DreamHack, you could learn much from companies like XMG, who care enough to explain stuff. It doesn't harm to do so. Good public relations isn't a bad thing you know. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hm8cYnY.jpg) Understandable. Though I don't know how accurate this chart is. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:20 JimSocks wrote: see it coming. robert was the main supporter of sc2, he's gone. Like a few have said, he had no infuence on which games were focused on. | ||
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johnbongham
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On December 16 2014 03:19 fruity. wrote: Didnt know this, valve in my eyes seems to do a lot right. Inevitable. Shooting people in the face with guns will (sadly) Have more appeal than a high learning curve RTS. After all FPS is a game genre anyone can pick up instantly and understand. Not so with StarCraft. Like someone else mentioned. They'd already had SC2 on a side stage at the finals. However, DreamHack, you could learn much from companies like XMG, who care enough to explain stuff. It doesn't harm to do so. Good public relations isn't a bad thing you know. Understandable. Though I don't know how accurate this chart is. I think it ispretty accurate. It also doesn't take into account the swedish television viewers CSGO had. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:19 fruity. wrote: Inevitable. Shooting people in the face with guns will (sadly) Have more appeal than a high learning curve RTS. After all FPS is a game genre anyone can pick up instantly and understand. Not so with StarCraft. I don't think this is accurate at all. Firstly, FPS games have an extremely high learning curve as well, especially one like CS GO. In fact, a bit problem with broadcasting FPS games is that many viewers don't understand the game well enough to know what's going on from a single player's perspective. Hardcore gamers will love it, but casual viewers are easily turned off by FPS broadcasts. Secondly, League and Dota have some of the steepest learning curves out there (while considered MOBAs, they officially fall into the category of RTS) - and they're constantly at the top as far as Twitch.tv viewership goes. StarCraft was there once, but it's not the hip thing lately. There's plenty of room for CS GO to grow. This isn't bad news for StarCraft. LotV will see viewership numbers climb once again. | ||
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TR
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:28 CakeSauc3 wrote: I don't think this is accurate at all. Firstly, FPS games have an extremely high learning curve as well, especially one like CS GO. In fact, a bit problem with broadcasting FPS games is that many viewers don't understand the game well enough to know what's going on from a single player's perspective. Hardcore gamers will love it, but casual viewers are easily turned off by FPS broadcasts. Secondly, League and Dota have some of the steepest learning curves out there (while considered MOBAs, they officially fall into the category of RTS) - and they're constantly at the top as far as Twitch.tv viewership goes. StarCraft was there once, but it's not the hip thing lately. There's plenty of room for CS GO to grow. This isn't bad news for StarCraft. LotV will see viewership numbers climb once again. I would agree with you if we were talking cs 1.6 but csgo has immensely improved the spectating with the addition of player outlines through walls and the player health/equipment side bars. It is so much better than it was even 3-4 years ago. I can actually follow the game. Also, another cool thing they added recently is the ability to follow grenade trajectories so you can see first hand all the cool grenade angles players use. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17807 Posts
On December 16 2014 01:29 Zealously wrote: My statement is one half personal experience (I went to Dreamhack Winter 2013, Dreamhack Summer 2014 and Dreamhack Winter 2014) and one half explanation from a guy I know that works with Dreamhack. As he tells me, and as was clear during all of 2014, SC2 might have been the "main game" but if that were the case then only in name. LoL, Dota and CS all had bigger stages/tournaments at some point during the year, and there was nothing to indicate SC2 being given preferential treatment as would be proper for a "main game". People are too quick to jump to conclusions. Edit: to be clear, things might change. We just don't know how exactly that will happen yet, and assuming that Dreamhack are axing SC2 completely after only hearing this is stupid. thx for the additional info. neither the original quote in post #1, nor your post contains a named source working for Dreamhack willing to speak on the record. can u edit post #1 when someone at Dreamhack does say something on the record? otherwise this thread will just be speculation about rumours. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:28 CakeSauc3 wrote: I don't think this is accurate at all. I think it's very accurate! The principle behind FPS is childsplay. You shoot them before they shoot you. Simples! Of course, the skill required to get to the top of FPS, MOBA or RTS is the same. Incredible dedication. And yes there's a whole host of stuff to learn other than my shoot them point. FPS has mass market appeal for this reason, you could say well isn't Starcraft the same? Blow them up before they do the same to you. But if you don't play Starcraft you can't understand what you're seeing - it's all lasers and stuff. Whereas with FPS when the crowd roar, it's obvious why. Why the crowd roar in Starcraft, if you haven't played the game, or followed it for a time it's a case of huh? FPS is a lot more accessible for this reason. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: thx for the additional info. neither the original quote in post #1, nor your post contains a named source working for Dreamhack willing to speak on the record. can u edit post #1 when someone at Dreamhack does say something on the record? otherwise this thread will just be speculation about rumours. Naturally. | ||
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Woosung
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CS is for Sweden what Starcraft is for Korea. In terms of general interest in Sweden, SC2 has been big ever since beta, much because of the Swedish players performing well. Also mainstream media recently started picking up on eSports coverage, but hardly anyone knew about the korean BW-scene back when it was still active. Counter-Strike in Sweden has been big ever since the first betas, played in LAN-cafés or at home with 56k/ISDN. Pretty much every kid with a computer played CS, and there was a s**tload of Swedes all over Quakenet organizing and participating in leagues and cups or playing mixes and pcws all day long. Sweden also had a lot of success internationally, and the best players have already been considered sort-of-celebrities for a good ten years. As the biggest event in Sweden, not giving CS:GO more time in the main spotlight would be a very unwise business decision, comparable to Korea opting for CS:GO instead of SC2. (Even though LoL ate all the TV time) | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:36 fruity. wrote: I think it's very accurate! The principle behind FPS is childsplay. You shoot them before they shoot you. Simples! Of course, the skill required to get to the top of FPS, MOBA or RTS is the same. Incredible dedication. And yes there's a whole host of stuff to learn other than my shoot them point. FPS has mass market appeal for this reason, you could say well isn't Starcraft the same? Blow them up before they do the same to you. But if you don't play Starcraft you can't understand what you're seeing - it's all lasers and stuff. Whereas with FPS when the crowd roar, it's obvious why. Why the crowd roar in Starcraft, if you haven't played the game, or followed it for a time it's a case of huh? FPS is a lot more accessible for this reason. I don't think that argument can be won. In StarCraft, when one army annihilates another, the crowd roars - and it's obvious why. In League or Dota, when one team wins a team fight over another, the crows roars - and it's obvious why. In Street Fighter, when one character pulls off a heavy combo on another and wins the fight, leading to the crowd to roar - it's obvious why. They are all equally accessible on the outside in this way. Heck, I understood that about RTS games after playing C&C when I was 8 years old. However, to get deeper into the game, there is a lot of understanding to acquire. And FPS games are just as deep as any other, albeit in different ways. Your argument would make sense to me if FPS games had an overwhelming mass appeal - if they held, without question, the highest viewership among all and any esport games - but they don't. This example with CS:GO and Dreamhack is interesting, as it's showing the CS:GO is gaining a surge of popularity. But until it sits on top for a long time as the undisputed king of esports for months on end (similar to how League has done in the last year+) I don't think we draw a conclusion that FPS games are easier for casuals to get into and enjoy watching. | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On December 16 2014 03:24 johnbongham wrote: I think it ispretty accurate. It also doesn't take into account the swedish television viewers CSGO had. Weren't all the games on TV? | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
Maybe, but I am pretty sure that most swedish viewers tuned in to watch NIP in the final. | ||
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