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On December 15 2014 22:59 looknohands119 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 22:56 SC2Toastie wrote: Out with Ohlen, Nothing will change.
And in the end, PR strikes again.... As much as I would like to believe otherwise, this certainly seems to be the case.
A smart business decision shouldn't have anything to do with him being there or not, the numbers are overwhelmingly with CSGO and promoting that while it's on the rise and there is far more money to be made and created is a natural choice.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 15 2014 22:56 SC2Toastie wrote: Out with Ohlen, Nothing will change.
And in the end, PR strikes again....
As far as I know Ohlén had no executive role in deciding what games go where at Dreamhacks.
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On December 15 2014 23:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 22:56 SC2Toastie wrote: Out with Ohlen, Nothing will change.
And in the end, PR strikes again.... Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't one of the big disagreements between Ohlen and the other execs the roll of SC2 at DH? Ohlen was supposed to be the public face of the company. I'm not sure if a public face decides anything
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The views of CS:GO are MUCH higher then these of SC II at Dreamhack. A normal buisness decision. As long as SC II is still played at the Hacks, I dont see so much problems with it. Dreamhack needs to make money to run.
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apart from the fact that CS:GO is growing, sweden is like the heart of CS in Europe (they have a ton of good players), so it makes sense to have it as the main game
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Not sure what this really means at Dreamhack when the CS:GO stage was already bigger than the SC2 one?
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I just dived into CS:GO myself as a viewer. My strongest impression was that there's quite the cheating issue. Some players have been VAC banned (KQLY). Lots of accusations fly through twitter (eg. fnatic). Not sure if I really like the change. But as long as I get to watch some sc2 action, I'm okay.
So far, CS:GO has had limited exposure in DreamHack's world circuit, with the game having been left of out of a number of events that take place in several countries throughout the year.
Does that mean that potentially, StarCraft II will be excluded from smaller Dreamhack tournaments?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I don't actually grasp what the difference will be here. The SC2 stage wasn't shabby, but the CS:GO stage at DH:Winter was enormous and fucking awesome. Are there any functional changes at all?
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It is not a unreasonable decision at all, CS:GO had around 7x more viewers than SC2 this last DH.
It is just kinda sad for SC2.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 15 2014 23:16 ivancype wrote: It is not a unreasonable decision at all, CS:GO had around 7x more viewers than SC2 this last DH.
It is just kinda sad for SC2. Sums up my thoughts pretty well. Well be interesting to see if there's a hit to the prize pool.
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Can't blame them, the numbers for CSGO is just way too big for this to not happen. As long as sc2 is still carried, I'm fine with this. + Show Spoiler +and please no ded gaem jokes
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On December 15 2014 23:14 Zealously wrote: I don't actually grasp what the difference will be here. The SC2 stage wasn't shabby, but the CS:GO stage at DH:Winter was enormous and fucking awesome. Are there any functional changes at all?
The CSGO tournament at the last dreamhack was special in that Valve contributed heavily to the prize purse in order to make the tournament be considered a 'major'. CSGO tournaments at the other dreamhacks earlier in 2014 were pretty small and terribly produced.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 15 2014 23:24 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 23:14 Zealously wrote: I don't actually grasp what the difference will be here. The SC2 stage wasn't shabby, but the CS:GO stage at DH:Winter was enormous and fucking awesome. Are there any functional changes at all? The CSGO tournament at the last dreamhack was special in that Valve contributed heavily to the prize purse in order to make the tournament be considered a 'major'. CSGO tournaments at the other dreamhacks earlier in 2014 were pretty small and terribly produced.
Cool, I had no idea.
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Sad news, especially when I see this and this
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On December 15 2014 23:25 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 23:24 johnbongham wrote:On December 15 2014 23:14 Zealously wrote: I don't actually grasp what the difference will be here. The SC2 stage wasn't shabby, but the CS:GO stage at DH:Winter was enormous and fucking awesome. Are there any functional changes at all? The CSGO tournament at the last dreamhack was special in that Valve contributed heavily to the prize purse in order to make the tournament be considered a 'major'. CSGO tournaments at the other dreamhacks earlier in 2014 were pretty small and terribly produced. Cool, I had no idea.
Also, that prize money from valve is funded by CSGO players when they buy 'keys' to unlock weapon crates that they earn in-game. Then during the actual tournaments, players can buy 'stickers' of their favorite team logos that they can put on their weapons in-game and the sticker money goes directly to the teams as extra income. It is really exciting how valve has managed to monetize CSGO in a way that benefits the competitive scene and makes it sustainable without anyone losing their investment into the game.
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Belgica34432 Posts
And that was going to be my first event I was going to
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Lately the DH sc2 events have had a myriad of production issues and down time, imo costing the viewership dearly. Interesting that with all of the cheating rumors that cs go would be put into the spotlight and with more pressure put on the brand.
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On December 15 2014 23:16 ivancype wrote: It is not a unreasonable decision at all, CS:GO had around 7x more viewers than SC2 this last DH.
It is just kinda sad for SC2. The CS tournament was a major tournament. Dreamhack felt insignificant being sandwiched between Blizzcon, Homestory Cup X and IEM San Jose.
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Only sad realization is that eSports viewer numbers are completely arbitrary. Games have never been this exciting and yet viewership numbers for SC2 are dropping.
Makes me think that mainstream eSports still is, and probably will always stay, just an extended arm of marketing for popular games.
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