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On December 16 2014 04:07 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Meh, CS:GO only got so many viewers because of the scandal this last DH, Yeah, it had a lot of viewers before the scandal, but i bet after it the viewers increased significantly.
Thats' not even true, ESL One Cologne had only slightly less viewers and that had no kind of scandal. The game has grown anyway since then so you can attribute the increased viewers to that. Do your research before saying something clearly false, please.
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The biggest possible problem i might find with this is the cheating scandal in the CS scene. I atleast personally believe that some people in the CS:GO-proscene do hack (Fnatic) and i hope it doesnt effect the public view of eSports.
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I watched both so I am pretty happy. The SC2 crowd was pretty sad compared to the CS:GO crowd at times though.
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You can't be the top dog all the time
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I'm really surprised CS:GO took off in popularity like it did. I don't believe it was on launch, but rather later in its lifespan. Anyone more familiar with the scene know why it sky rocketed in popularity so fast out of nowhere?
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
How strong is Europe globally in CS? I assume perhaps the strongest scene but I'm ignorant in that respect.
From that point of view it makes sense to adopt a game where players in the same continent are the best, rather than the overheads of tons of Koreans flying out to legitimise your tournament right?
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EU > all in CS:GO.
the way it's supposed to be, amiright 'Murica?
:p
I don't think it was all of a sudden. valve uses a hybrid f2p/low price business model, and other incentives. such as betting on teams and in turn increase the stakes with unlockable/marketable weapon skins even more.
they use a game that - generally - works and is well established because of its history and built a very smart business model around it.
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On December 16 2014 22:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
How strong is Europe globally in CS? I assume perhaps the strongest scene but I'm ignorant in that respect.
From that point of view it makes sense to adopt a game where players in the same continent are the best, rather than the overheads of tons of Koreans flying out to legitimise your tournament right?
Well, everyone I know plays CS, no one plays SC2. I've tried getting a few people to play SC2, but they gave up after a few matches stating that the game was too hard. CS is huge in Finland.
I think the attitude in Finnish schools is that SC2 (Or any kind of RTS/RPG) is for nerds and real men play CS or any type of FPS. At least when I used to be in school, now I am just too damn old.
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I quit SC for CS beta and SC2 for CS:GO so this is all fine with me. One thing I do think the CS:GO community lack is the manners of the SC community. If the case would've been the other way around (and this would've been hltv) the rage would've been unending. Let's just hope SC2 keeps producing good games and LotV makes it grow again!
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A shame, but unsurprising given what I saw at the Dreamhack Winter.
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On December 16 2014 22:50 krjay wrote:
I'm really surprised CS:GO took off in popularity like it did. I don't believe it was on launch, but rather later in its lifespan. Anyone more familiar with the scene know why it sky rocketed in popularity so fast out of nowhere?
It's cheap (less than $15), and offers challenging and social gameplay that never really gets boring, despite the fact that the maps haven't changed in 15 years.
Oh, and it also has childish unlocks and gun skins.
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On December 16 2014 22:50 krjay wrote:
I'm really surprised CS:GO took off in popularity like it did. I don't believe it was on launch, but rather later in its lifespan. Anyone more familiar with the scene know why it sky rocketed in popularity so fast out of nowhere?
Valve worked on getting it better, the pros didn't liked it at first but most have switched now, and valve offer it on sales very often.
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I was used to watch everytime in Dreamhack for the Sunday for big ScII final matches. Damn... I don't like the reality, but people always prefer the easier and simple games. No offence please, ScII is much simple comparing to the original and Broodwar and still it's difficult to gather such a big audience in order to understand and entertain this game. SC is the best E-sport!
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I'm surprised this wasn't already the case. The game is clearly more popular than SC2 right now.
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On December 16 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote:
lol, the inevitable "other games are only more popular because their fans aren't geniuses like RTS players" horseshit is in full swing, i see
wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft?
So you weren't around when SC2 replaced BW, right ? Basically the same, except our RTS is for smarter and more talented people than your volatile RTS.
User was warned for this post
Edit - As i am sure my crap english didn't manage to explain. I am not bashing SC2, i am just stating that people will flame the game that replaces theirs no matter what.
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your Country52798 Posts
On December 17 2014 02:13 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote:
lol, the inevitable "other games are only more popular because their fans aren't geniuses like RTS players" horseshit is in full swing, i see
wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft? So you weren't around when SC2 replaced BW, right ? Basically the same, except our RTS is for smarter and more talented people than your volatile RTS.
Can we not have this discussion? >.>
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I watched some CS:GO. No death balls, the players are spreading out on the map, no destructible rocks, the economy is aweful because it's not caped on 3 bases. No xel naga tower neither eventhough these Fnatic guys would greatly appreciate it. The only good thing is that their map pool is as stale as ours eventhough figuring a map out on Sc2 seems way easier than on CS:GO.
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On December 17 2014 02:36 algue wrote:
I watched some CS:GO. No death balls, the players are spreading out on the map, no destructible rocks, the economy is aweful because it's not caped on 3 bases. No xel naga tower neither eventhough these Fnatic guys would greatly appreciate it. The only good thing is that their map pool is as stale as ours eventhough figuring a map out on Sc2 seems way easier than on CS:GO.
Literal LOL. I just imagined a xelnaga tower in cs and almost fell out of my chair. Good one. SC2 would be so much better without towers now that I think about it.
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On December 17 2014 02:47 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 02:36 algue wrote:
I watched some CS:GO. No death balls, the players are spreading out on the map, no destructible rocks, the economy is aweful because it's not caped on 3 bases. No xel naga tower neither eventhough these Fnatic guys would greatly appreciate it. The only good thing is that their map pool is as stale as ours eventhough figuring a map out on Sc2 seems way easier than on CS:GO. Literal LOL. I just imagined a xelnaga tower in cs and almost fell out of my chair. Good one. SC2 would be so much better without towers now that I think about it.
Watchtowers are fine, especially on gigantic huge maps. I never understood why people had such a problem with them.
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