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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:12 Godwrath wrote: If you think you don't need to be a smart player to play well Counter strike, you certainly have bigger issues than CS replacing SC2 as their main game. If you don't have bigger issues than CS replacing SC2 as Dreamhacks main game you are probably on drugs. | ||
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Rikudou
Germany151 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:15 blackone wrote: If you don't have bigger issues than CS replacing SC2 as Dreamhacks main game you are probably on drugs. Huh, one would think drug abuse would be a bigger concern than CS replacing Sc2 as the main game of DH. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:19 Squat wrote: Huh, one would think drug abuse would be a bigger concern than CS replacing Sc2 as the main game of DH. Depends on your priorities in life. Some people care more about the scene than themselves | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:17 Rikudou wrote: WHERE IS ROBERT OHLEN?? He is no longer with Dreamhack. There were like, two threads about it. The board removed him as CEO. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On December 16 2014 07:56 Jaded. wrote: 1.6 was bigger globally than BW(more fans outside of Korea). But as far as actual numbers go, CS was no where close to BW just based on the size of organizations behind it and the finals crowds were much larger. Although to compare the two is like having a fight between a 300lb man and a 150lb man. BW was on TV. 1.6 was Demos and videos. Yeah , it was on TV... In one country. It had big crowds... In one country. I'm not talking about eSports and organisations behind it. I'm talking about the most basic casual level. Worldwide CS 1.6 was always bigger - more people were playing it. Hell, even now(when CS:GO is so popular) if I want to play 1.6 I can do it with no effort on the numerous private servers that still exist and are well populated. I'm not hating on BW and it's legacy. I like CS and I love BW, but that is how it was. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8703 Posts
On December 16 2014 07:58 KelsierSC wrote: Starcraft is the best, RTS is for the brilliant minds, the strategists and the people who can actually think CS is like maybe you can be fast, but you can't think, you're just kind of dumb. It is popular to the masses but I am happy supporting the less popular game because it is the more demanding and I love to watch it meh. as tempting as that might be to get behind, it couldn't be further from the truth. on the highest level of CS:GO there are A LOT of mindgames going on. I personally think that the US teams are superior to EU ones in terms of aiming (when they are on top of their game), they got people who are absurdly good at that. but due to several circumstances they can't form teams to beat EU ones consistently - for now - and that also has got a lot to do with map decisions and how they approach the game. there is a lot to be said for intelligent teamwork and strategy in CS, not just the raw skill. cut the teamwork part, and oh boy, that sounds a lot like what's important in SC  | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
Though if I can take a moment to be a little snarky: On December 16 2014 08:10 shid0x wrote: about time, even if CS;GO at his flaws (in game and the players ) it feels like the fucking future, it is EVOLVING. I dunno man, I think that dust map has been around for a little bit... | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
I always loved playing fps games (played lots of quake 1/quakeworld, original team fortress, quake 2, unreal tournament and duke nukem), but I never enjoyed watching these games. Too bad for me, if only fps and mobas remain in the future Hope at least fighting games can get more structure to be more regular with capcom announcing 500k prize pool for 2015 | ||
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[Svall]Granis
Sweden94 Posts
Goodjob Dreamhack..... | ||
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eeZe
United States54 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:31 Doublemint wrote: meh. as tempting as that might be to get behind, it couldn't be further from the truth. on the highest level of CS:GO there are A LOT of mindgames going on. I personally think that the US teams are superior to EU ones in terms of aiming (when they are on top of their game), they got people who are absurdly good at that. but due to several circumstances they can't form teams to beat EU ones consistently - for now - and that also has got a lot to do with map decisions and how they approach the game. there is a lot to be said for intelligent teamwork and strategy in CS, not just the raw skill. cut the teamwork part, and oh boy, that sounds a lot like what's important in SC I agree that CS players aren't "kinda dumb", there is def complexity to the game. That said, when I started to write this response, I was originally going to defend CS in a similar fashion to how I might defend dota, but in that process I came to the conclusion that although the team dynamic and meta surrounding CS is complex and the tolerance for error is low (at the task level maybe similar to SC and definitely lower than dota), the number of tasks that an individual is responsible for concurrently isn't anywhere close, because of this I would argue that SC2 is the more difficult/complex game hands down. However, I don't think that complexity has any positive relationship to the entertainment value or accessibility of the game; if anything it probably has a negative impact on both. Team based play certainly allows for blaming and finger pointing during moments of failure which can reduce stress thus increasing accessibility, but it's also an audience to "show-off" individual skill. There's not a lot of self gratification in owning a noob with l33t blink microz or marine splitting when you and the other player are the only two that saw it... you just get xx ladder points and you're on to the next game to promptly get rekt. | ||
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partysnatcher
156 Posts
At least there's finally something to challenge the MOBA dominance. I'd take CS:GO over any MOBA any day, way higher skill cap, higher complexity and far more spectator friendly. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft? | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 16 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote: lol, the inevitable "other games are only more popular because their fans aren't geniuses like RTS players" horseshit is in full swing, i see wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft? probably something like real geniuses play starcraft because other RTS are watered down or something | ||
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Cool C
United States69 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Not sure quite why people get so annoyed, if CS fans are champing at the bit and have the big numbers then all power to that scene. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
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