"As of September 24th, Robert Ohlen has been relieved from his duties as CEO of DreamHack.
All operations at DreamHack will continue as usual without any interruption.
A new CEO has been recruited internally and it will be communicated on Monday 27 October."
According to DailyDot, "The decision comes after an internal power-struggle that has seen key members of the board at odds with the public face of the company." DailyDot also reports that "The replacement is likely to be Markus Lindmark, a former event manager for the company..."
Ohlen had foreshadowed his departure from the company with the following tweet:
" Robert Ohlén is one of the most recognizable businessmen in esports. Outspoken, gregarious and with an acute understanding of gaming culture, he was the charismatic face of one of esports true success stories: DreamHack.
In 2006, he took a gamble and purchased the gaming event from its two young founders. Under his stewardship, DreamHack continued to grow and break records year upon year. Its events have made it the biggest LAN in the world—records set to be smashed again when it hosts its 20th anniversary event next month. Ohlén, however, won’t be playing any part in those celebrations. After nearly a decade building the company, he's out, “relieved of his duties” on Oct. 24. The move represents a major power shift at the top of one of the most important and influential esports organizations in Europe—and on a more personal level, Ohlén's likely departure from the esports industry as a whole.
When we speak on Monday, he cuts a pretty dejected figure. It’s easy to see even across a pixelated Skype call that there are bags under his eyes. He's shaved off his trademark beard, but he looks older somehow. Ohlén and I have known each other for five years, and I've worked at DreamHack events as a coverage journalist. We've become firm friends. Which is part of why I was the only journalist he was willing to speak to.
We exchange some small talk. When a natural pause occurs, I put on my interviewer's voice and he sparks a cigarette. Then with a hoarse, strained voice he tells where all the drama started. It began in 2009, he says, when his then partner in the company David Garpenståhl, tried to "oust" him.
"That came out of the blue and I had to conclude he was, as you Brits might put it, a bit of a nutter." For what Ohlén calls "tactical, legal reasons," he gave away all his shares—50 percent of DreamHack—to his father. "I did this with the tacit understanding that the shares would be returned to me as soon as the difficulties subsided. Those troubles ended two years ago.”
Ohlén had weathered the storm, giving him his first harsh lesson about the business – “trust nobody.” Unfortunately, what he didn't realize was that this same lesson would soon extend to his immediate family.
About a year ago, Ohlén finally approached his father about those shares. “It didn’t seem too pressing and DreamHack was doing well," he said, so he'd felt no rush to handle the matter earlier.
“I asked my father to transfer back the shares I had given him and thanked him for the help," Ohlén says. "But he just flat out refused. Not once either.
"Each time I’d press the matter he had various, silly reasons as to why it wasn’t feasible to give me the shares. These ranged from excuses about timing, to how it would impact on finances, things that I knew weren’t true or made no sense. I sadly had to arrive at the conclusion that my dad was also a bit of a nutter and I had made a big mistake.”
That mistake wasn't going to be easy to fix. With no recourse to get back what he'd given away, Ohlén had only a few of options, all equally unpalatable. One was to try and fight, to browbeat his father into doing the right thing. The other was to wait it out, to continue working and see what materialized. Ohlén chose the latter. And it soon became clear that the situation was indeed resolving itself—except at Ohlén's expense.
Internally, he says, there were already discussions to push him out.
"I expected to have some allies, someone to have my back, but instead the staff seemed mostly to go along with my father. I have nothing against them for doing that. But it’s hard not to think of them as anything other than spineless worms.” ”
That tweet was a little weird and the reaction on reddit showed a mixture of relief as response to his character as well as positive feedback on his past results. Not sure what to think just yet, wondering what will happen to the current state of dreamhack.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
If we are to believe them : "All operations at DreamHack will continue as usual without any interruption". I don't think we can know yet whether or not there'll be consequences.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
From article
DreamHack “will continue as usual without any interruption,” according to Nystrom, and a new CEO has been recruited internally and will be announced Oct. 27.
woah this is huge... was prettymuch the face of dreamhack for me that and with how well its been doing in recent years hes clearly being doing his job..
It's ironic DreamHack always had that whole happy go lucky family reputation while mlg was portrayed as more corporate. I guess it was all a facade and there's as much infighting there as on moba teams. Chanman needs to come out of retirement and host a special unfiltered with Robert on it!
On October 26 2014 05:45 Kipsate wrote: Sounds like he got fired, I hope its not because of the Dreamleague fiasco(seems VERY unlikely). Odd because I felt like he ran it well.
Paraphrasing from his latest tweet in Swedish (someone asked if it's because of the things he said about gamergate): "No, because greedy people taking advantage of me."
On October 26 2014 05:51 Enigmasc wrote: woah this is huge... was prettymuch the face of dreamhack for me that and with how well its been doing in recent years hes clearly being doing his job..
There's been issues in the past with Dreamhack. There was quite a lot of turmoil during the last transition of ownership despite the events doing quite well at that time as well.
On October 26 2014 05:45 Kipsate wrote: Sounds like he got fired, I hope its not because of the Dreamleague fiasco(seems VERY unlikely). Odd because I felt like he ran it well.
What a 'Dreamleague fiasco' ?
Dreamleague is DH's Dota 2 league. They announced their qualifiers and stuff just a few days before it was to begin, causing quite some issues within the pro teams and schedules (teams usually have that scheduled several weeks in advance). Forced teams to scramble and reschedule a bunch of shit just to fit in DH.
The format's crazy and shit (long ass qualifiers, followed by a lan qualifier, followed by a lan —something along those lines).
Then they moved the qualifier a day forward due to crap, causing even more issues (as teams had already rescheduled shit). Then add to it that it was basically a full day of games for the teams participating.
Then Nukes (the head admin) was involved in a controversy when a team got a forfeit due to miscommunication (told the team's manager they could go sleep, but they still gave them a loss later when they couldn't play a match). Lots of drama, and bullshitting from Hellspawn (who only said that Nukes had been replaced, not admitting any fault). Then they got to play the match, but as their opp team needed a standin they had to play with one as well (lots of wtf).
More admin issues.
And probably something else I've forgotten.
Basically the GD Studio has handled the Dreamleague previously, but this time they're only a hired talent taking care of the casting. First time DH is running it themselves. People are in agreement it's shit this time around because James & Co aren't involved in the planning and running of it.
On October 26 2014 06:13 Zaphid wrote: You might want to fix the OP, it says he left on September 24.
Might have something to do with the way DH is running Dreamleague ? basically muscling their way into the scene over other events ?
A Swedish site also speculates it might have something to do with Dreamleague. Personally I get the feeling this is not something that's happened because of one specific thing. We'll probably learn more later but I think it's likely something more going on just based on how people have reacted and how this seem to have been handled. Basically replacing someone on short notice doesn't usually happen just because a tournament was run badly.
Regardless of how the new dreamhack stakeholders spin this, I highly doubt this had to do with any tweets/offensive statements from Robert. Even though Swedes are pretty obsessed about political-correctness I can't imagine a competent CEO getting booted unless that they felt he was hindering or blocking financial growth somehow.
There aren't really any facts apparent yet so it's impossible to make any accurate inferences at this point in time. But it will be interesting to hear from Dreamhack/ Robert as this unfolds.
On October 26 2014 06:13 Zaphid wrote: You might want to fix the OP, it says he left on September 24.
Might have something to do with the way DH is running Dreamleague ? basically muscling their way into the scene over other events ?
A Swedish site also speculates it might have something to do with Dreamleague. Personally I get the feeling this is not something that's happened because of one specific thing. We'll probably learn more later but I think it's likely something more going on just based on how people have reacted and how this seem to have been handled. Basically replacing someone on short notice doesn't usually happen just because a tournament was run badly.
Well, other than Dreamleague, all their LAN events are usually scheduled a year in advance, so that is where the changes are felt first. Once the details about 2015 start coming out, we will probably see the real reasons he quit/was fired.
On October 26 2014 06:13 Zaphid wrote: You might want to fix the OP, it says he left on September 24.
Might have something to do with the way DH is running Dreamleague ? basically muscling their way into the scene over other events ?
A Swedish site also speculates it might have something to do with Dreamleague. Personally I get the feeling this is not something that's happened because of one specific thing. We'll probably learn more later but I think it's likely something more going on just based on how people have reacted and how this seem to have been handled. Basically replacing someone on short notice doesn't usually happen just because a tournament was run badly.
That dreamleague thing seemed so minor it would at best be a ridiculous pretence. Sad he always appeared to genuinely care about all this at least that was my impression.
Seems like many people liked him but I never really did. He acted unprofessional on several occasions and it seemed to me like he tried to some times steal the spotlight from the event / competitors. Good luck in the future.
Faces come and go - it is sad for him. I don't want to deal with the internal politics and drama of Dreamhack's management. As long as Dreamhack continues at full strength, continues its record of success, and continues to feature SC2, then who signs the check is of little concern.
On October 26 2014 05:45 Kipsate wrote: Sounds like he got fired, I hope its not because of the Dreamleague fiasco(seems VERY unlikely). Odd because I felt like he ran it well.
What a 'Dreamleague fiasco' ?
Dreamleague is DH's Dota 2 league. They announced their qualifiers and stuff just a few days before it was to begin, causing quite some issues within the pro teams and schedules (teams usually have that scheduled several weeks in advance). Forced teams to scramble and reschedule a bunch of shit just to fit in DH.
The format's crazy and shit (long ass qualifiers, followed by a lan qualifier, followed by a lan —something along those lines).
Then they moved the qualifier a day forward due to crap, causing even more issues (as teams had already rescheduled shit). Then add to it that it was basically a full day of games for the teams participating.
Then Nukes (the head admin) was involved in a controversy when a team got a forfeit due to miscommunication (told the team's manager they could go sleep, but they still gave them a loss later when they couldn't play a match). Lots of drama, and bullshitting from Hellspawn (who only said that Nukes had been replaced, not admitting any fault). Then they got to play the match, but as their opp team needed a standin they had to play with one as well (lots of wtf).
More admin issues.
And probably something else I've forgotten.
Basically the GD Studio has handled the Dreamleague previously, but this time they're only a hired talent taking care of the casting. First time DH is running it themselves. People are in agreement it's shit this time around because James & Co aren't involved in the planning and running of it.
Dreamleague had admin issues when GD Studio were handling it as well. (Do people not remember the first DH event run by GD Studio? Admin drama every week)
Either way, this has nothing to do with Dreamleague. The Dreamleague 'fiasco' is just some poor planning and bad admining, nothing that wouldn't be forgotten in a month unless they keep fucking up.
This sounds like it was a long time coming. And it's hardly surprising that DH might have internal issues with a CEO like Robert. As much as I like him as a personality, we really can't tell (by we I'm obviously excluding some on this forum who might have insider knowledge) if this decision is good or bad for the company.
And him saying the decision is based on greed, well one could argue that every business decision is based on greed, it doesn't really have much credence as a moral argument for if the decision is right or wrong without knowing the specifics.
On October 26 2014 06:50 Caihead wrote: Probably typical corporate bs, get bonuses for screwing over the public and employees, get fired for having good ideas.
Jumping the gun here aren't we? Pretty sure most of us only have surface level impressions of him at best.
On October 26 2014 05:45 Kipsate wrote: Sounds like he got fired, I hope its not because of the Dreamleague fiasco(seems VERY unlikely). Odd because I felt like he ran it well.
What a 'Dreamleague fiasco' ?
Dreamleague is DH's Dota 2 league. They announced their qualifiers and stuff just a few days before it was to begin, causing quite some issues within the pro teams and schedules (teams usually have that scheduled several weeks in advance). Forced teams to scramble and reschedule a bunch of shit just to fit in DH.
The format's crazy and shit (long ass qualifiers, followed by a lan qualifier, followed by a lan —something along those lines).
Then they moved the qualifier a day forward due to crap, causing even more issues (as teams had already rescheduled shit). Then add to it that it was basically a full day of games for the teams participating.
Then Nukes (the head admin) was involved in a controversy when a team got a forfeit due to miscommunication (told the team's manager they could go sleep, but they still gave them a loss later when they couldn't play a match). Lots of drama, and bullshitting from Hellspawn (who only said that Nukes had been replaced, not admitting any fault). Then they got to play the match, but as their opp team needed a standin they had to play with one as well (lots of wtf).
More admin issues.
And probably something else I've forgotten.
Basically the GD Studio has handled the Dreamleague previously, but this time they're only a hired talent taking care of the casting. First time DH is running it themselves. People are in agreement it's shit this time around because James & Co aren't involved in the planning and running of it.
Dreamleague had admin issues when GD Studio were handling it as well. (Do people not remember the first DH event run by GD Studio? Admin drama every week)
Either way, this has nothing to do with Dreamleague. The Dreamleague 'fiasco' is just some poor planning and bad admining, nothing that wouldn't be forgotten in a month unless they keep fucking up.
This sounds like it was a long time coming. And it's hardly surprising that DH might have internal issues with a CEO like Robert. As much as I like him as a personality, we really can't tell (by we I'm obviously excluding some on this forum who might have insider knowledge) if this decision is good or bad for the company.
And him saying the decision is based on greed, well one could argue that every business decision is based on greed, it doesn't really have much credence as a moral argument for if the decision is right or wrong without knowing the specifics.
Given his rhetoric it's pretty safe to assume he didn't expect this at all. If people have a problem with him and that haven't been somehow communicated to him instead of arranging some kind of "take-over," that would indicate some dubious morals by the people responsible. Maybe it's a business decision, maybe it's some kind of personal grudge, but in any case it seems to have been handled quite poorly. Naturally it could just be Robert being overly dramatic and emo on twitter and doesn't necessarily indicate the nature of the situation. We'll just have to wait and see.
On October 26 2014 07:04 LastManProductions wrote: Whats this gamergate thing?
Depends on who you ask, just google if you want to read a whole load of shitfest. The "gamergate thing" in connection to this is that Robert called out people using that hashtag on twitter as "retards" and got some backlash for it. I doubt him being fired is directly connected that other than maybe additional ammunition by whatever spurred him being fired.
People are using the tag as an excusde for a lot of bullshit. Calling most of the pople that rally themselves to this debate idiots is really not far fetched. It's a toxic debate about toxicity basically.
Robert always been a big supporter of sc2. He always appeared to me well spoken and intelligent. I wish him the best in the future and hopefully we get to the bottom of this.
People are using the tag as an excusde for a lot of bullshit. Calling most of the pople that rally themselves to this debate idiots is really not far fetched. It's a toxic debate about toxicity basically.
You might want to spell "people" correct when calling others idiots... I have also found it to be, in general, a pretty good move to refrain from calling others idiots just because you happen to disagree (and as Robert learned, calling them retards isn't the wisest thing either).
That's really unexpected. I don't expect we'll get much more information on what happened exactly either. We will see how Dreamhack will continue without him I guess.
People are using the tag as an excusde for a lot of bullshit. Calling most of the pople that rally themselves to this debate idiots is really not far fetched. It's a toxic debate about toxicity basically.
You might want to spell "people" correct when calling others idiots... I have also found it to be, in general, a pretty good move to refrain from calling others idiots just because you happen to disagree (and as Robert learned, calling them retards isn't the wisest thing either).
That's not the point though. He's calling them idiots because the "debate" is a waste of time, not because he agrees with one side or the other.
People are using the tag as an excusde for a lot of bullshit. Calling most of the pople that rally themselves to this debate idiots is really not far fetched. It's a toxic debate about toxicity basically.
You might want to spell "people" correct when calling others idiots... I have also found it to be, in general, a pretty good move to refrain from calling others idiots just because you happen to disagree (and as Robert learned, calling them retards isn't the wisest thing either).
That's not the point though. He's calling them idiots because the "debate" is a waste of time, not because he agrees with one side or the other.
So obviously he disagrees with the people having the debate that it is a debate worth having... And that is still no cause for name-calling.
EDIT: And to stay on-topic: I think we will never know exactly what went down behind the doors. Hopefully the "greedy" people making a power-play as he stated doesn't mean cost-increases.
Well, this is shitty. Robert's a pretty eccentric guy, triply so for a CEO, so this isn't shocking per se. I hope he lands on his feet and I really hope this won't curb the growth of SC2 DH events.
On October 26 2014 08:26 RevTiberius wrote: Hm, whatever the true story behind the scene may be, it is highly unprofessional for a CEO to make tweets like that.
There's enough tight-lipped PR bullshit to go around, I find it refreshing.
Man that is crazy. Obviously from everything I've seen as a spectator, Robert has been an amazing and lovable character who I like a lot... but the truth is that we know little about what he may be like as a leader. Eccentric individuals are often the worst possible CEO's. I hope the best for him, but unfortunately I don't know where else a guy like that would end up in the industry
On October 26 2014 08:26 RevTiberius wrote: Hm, whatever the true story behind the scene may be, it is highly unprofessional for a CEO to make tweets like that.
There's enough tight-lipped PR bullshit to go around, I find it refreshing.
I worry about it affecting his ability to bounce back from this. (I'm sure he will, but what opportunities might be lost because of it).
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
Basically he was making a serious mockery out of the dota2 tournement with stuff like forcing teams playing against a team with a standin to deactivate one of their own players and get a stand in with zero prior notice, and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff. It was getting to the point of damaging their brand with sponsors and veiwers.
Maybe it was the comments he said on Unfiltered like "Hitler won WW2!" or something to that effect. I know he was drunk when he said that, but when has that ever been a valid excuse?
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
On October 26 2014 08:53 ChopTheHassan wrote: Maybe it was the comments he said on Unfiltered like "Hitler won WW2!" or something to that effect. I know he was drunk when he said that, but when has that ever been a valid excuse?
He said that the statement "Hitler won WW2!" was the most false statement one could make...
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
Presumably the head of a major LoL tournament should know stuff like that, but to a layman that makes zero sense.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
Basically he was making a serious mockery out of the dota2 tournement with stuff like forcing teams playing against a team with a standin to deactivate one of their own players and get a stand in with zero prior notice, and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff. It was getting to the point of damaging their brand with sponsors and veiwers.
Are you implying he was making the decisions for an admin in a small online qualifier for another qualifier? That had nothing to do with Robert Ohlen.
Also, the Finland thing was blown way out of proportions, and it was NOT EVEN IN DREAMLEAGUE. It was for Dotapit team league Season 2 which is run by HighGround TV.
If you think there was some hidden conspiracy where Robert Ohlen was trying to damage Dreamhacks brand in Dota 2, then I would like to see some proof.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
Presumably the head of a major LoL tournament should know stuff like that, but to a layman that makes zero sense.
No, even as a layman i understood that pretty easy. EU team forced to play on NA = disadvantage.
Is that CEO swedish? Because that would be awkward. ^^
I don't think his CEO skills depend on this.
Apart from the obvious spelling mistakes which can happen, his behaviour is far from someone i would consider CEO-material. I know the onlinecommunity loves people like that, because it adds drama - but it's unprofessional nonetheless.
On October 26 2014 09:13 creamyturtle wrote: he spelled "your" wrong. this guy was the CEO?
Well as he was just fired and busy wishing pox upon houses I'm sure he wasn't fully focused on grammar of a second language in his personal tweet. I don't think his CEO skills depend on this.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
Basically he was making a serious mockery out of the dota2 tournement with stuff like forcing teams playing against a team with a standin to deactivate one of their own players and get a stand in with zero prior notice, and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff. It was getting to the point of damaging their brand with sponsors and veiwers.
Are you implying he was making the decisions for an admin in a small online qualifier for another qualifier? That had nothing to do with Robert Ohlen.
Also, the Finland thing was blown way out of proportions, and it was NOT EVEN IN DREAMLEAGUE. It was for Dotapit team league Season 2 which is run by HighGround TV.
If you think there was some hidden conspiracy where Robert Ohlen was trying to damage Dreamhacks brand in Dota 2, then I would like to see some proof.
I'm not implying a conspiracy, I'm implying he was bad at his job
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
Presumably the head of a major LoL tournament should know stuff like that, but to a layman that makes zero sense.
No, even as a layman i understood that pretty easy. EU team forced to play on NA = disadvantage.
Is that CEO swedish? Because that would be awkward. ^^
I get that part, but why the hell is the qualifier set up such that teams that are categorized as "EU" play in "NA" to begin with? It's completely counter-intuitive.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
Presumably the head of a major LoL tournament should know stuff like that, but to a layman that makes zero sense.
No, even as a layman i understood that pretty easy. EU team forced to play on NA = disadvantage.
Is that CEO swedish? Because that would be awkward. ^^
I get that part, but why the hell is the qualifier set up such that teams that are categorized as "EU" play in "NA" to begin with? It's completely counter-intuitive.
Beats me. I think people try to put it on him, since he's a swede. Swedes and finns don't really get along, at least that's what i gathered from a swedish friend of mine.
Obviously, i got no opinion on that, since i didn't follow anything in that regard, most likely some made-up bullshit like it usually is with those things, and then blown out of proportion.
People are using the tag as an excusde for a lot of bullshit. Calling most of the pople that rally themselves to this debate idiots is really not far fetched. It's a toxic debate about toxicity basically.
That article is a huge mess and not an accurate description of the controversy. Just read the talk page and its archived versions. Even the wikipedia founder, Jimmy Wales, has admitted that it was not in a good shape some time ago.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
Presumably the head of a major LoL tournament should know stuff like that, but to a layman that makes zero sense.
No, even as a layman i understood that pretty easy. EU team forced to play on NA = disadvantage.
Is that CEO swedish? Because that would be awkward. ^^
I get that part, but why the hell is the qualifier set up such that teams that are categorized as "EU" play in "NA" to begin with? It's completely counter-intuitive.
Beats me. I think people try to put it on him, since he's a swede. Swedes and finns don't really get along, at least that's what i gathered from a swedish friend of mine.
Obviously, i got no opinion on that, since i didn't follow anything in that regard, most likely some made-up bullshit like it usually is with those things, and then blown out of proportion.
The problem was that there was single western division, so the catergories were only for servers. For NA vs EU West playing on NA is slightly more fair in terms of ping, but for EU East VS NA EU West is a lot closer to fair.
On October 26 2014 09:46 GTR wrote: typical ESPORTS political bullshit, who is honestly surprised.
Typical how? There's very little details available. Whos and whats are not made public except for Robert Ohlen being removed. If anyone can enlighten me on this, I would appreciate it.
On October 26 2014 09:58 aTnClouD wrote: Yeah ok, but was he actually doing anything close to working like the other employees do? Cause it didn't look like that from the outside.
how would you know what it looked like internally? when a tournament is actually going down, things better be prepared beforehand, so no reason to expect him to be the most active post during events themselves.
People are quickly to judge dreamhack, but in reality, we don't know the truth.
Maybe he doesn't do well the things that he, as CEO, needs to do. Maybe Dreamhack is going to change some thing and he couldn't be a part of it because his ideas or IDK.
mr ohlen was great for the community. this is too bad. i feel like this is a bad decision, then again i really don't know what the reason is behind it. i just speak about my own impressions.
On October 26 2014 06:19 Erik.TheRed wrote: Regardless of how the new dreamhack stakeholders spin this, I highly doubt this had to do with any tweets/offensive statements from Robert. Even though Swedes are pretty obsessed about political-correctness I can't imagine a competent CEO getting booted unless that they felt he was hindering or blocking financial growth somehow.
There aren't really any facts apparent yet so it's impossible to make any accurate inferences at this point in time. But it will be interesting to hear from Dreamhack/ Robert as this unfolds.
When an organization is succesful and people see the chance, they will take it.
It sounds like this has happened here. Sad, but (possibly) true.
That said, he does sound rather unprofessional in his answers. He could have gotten a lot more points with the public by being more civil.
Lastly: I keep hearing that he was the main supporter of SC2 at DreamHack. If that's the case i'm almost 100% sure that SC2 will be dissappearing from there next year...
On October 26 2014 13:21 Crownlol wrote: Unless something comes out that Ohlen was misbehaving or leading incorrectly, this sounds like awful politics.
From what I can tell, the awful politics are immediately apparent in Ohlen's "public face." Or am I missing something?
On October 26 2014 13:21 Crownlol wrote: Unless something comes out that Ohlen was misbehaving or leading incorrectly, this sounds like awful politics.
From what I can tell, the awful politics are immediately apparent in Ohlen's "public face." Or am I missing something?
You're not missing anything, the suggestion is there. But, we've only heard one side of the story. The person being fired is rarely fair in these situations - I'm going to wait for all the facts to come out before lighting my pitchfork.
On October 26 2014 13:21 Crownlol wrote: Dreamhack death inc? Unless something comes out that Ohlen was misbehaving or leading incorrectly, this sounds like awful politics.
Not too worried about an imminent "death" of Dreamhack. What I am worried about however is, according to Robert's tweets, the business side will be running things from now on and there was a power grab.
Now, I am not saying he is right or wrong, but that could turn out ugly - if MLG is any indication. Not saying money is not important, but you can't expect the very early business which is esports to blossom if you are milking it too hard too soon.
Hope to hear more details and info from the likes of Richard Lewis/slasher etc.
Well, I guess we will see where Dreamhack goes in terms of popularity/likability and whatnot. I.e., I wonder what the community's general thoughts about DH be in 1 year from now -- after they've put up tournies and whatnot without R.O. at the helm of the organization.
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
If he was indeed treated unfairly, then I somehow doubt that a tweet is the correct way of showing that. He needs to explain how he was treated unfairly, and why DH is the worst organization on earth or something along those lines, and I doubt Twitter is the correct place to do that, especially with the character limitation. So to answer your question, I expect someone, especially if he/she is an important person in the scene, to react in a slightly more elaborate manner than an unclear tweet. You are right on the fact that he's not entitled to protect their good name though.
On October 26 2014 05:49 stuchiu wrote: Sad news, but does anyone know what effect this has on dreamhack?
and putting teams in finland in Western Europe and stuff.
How is this weird?
Because EU West teams have to play some or all of their games vs NA Teams on the US East server, and that puts Finnish teams at a fairly major disadvantage compared of if they were in EU East which would have all games on EU West making it a lot more fair for them. Other teams that far east on the map are in Eu West, but not finish teams.
Presumably the head of a major LoL tournament should know stuff like that, but to a layman that makes zero sense.
No, even as a layman i understood that pretty easy. EU team forced to play on NA = disadvantage.
Is that CEO swedish? Because that would be awkward. ^^
I get that part, but why the hell is the qualifier set up such that teams that are categorized as "EU" play in "NA" to begin with? It's completely counter-intuitive.
Beats me. I think people try to put it on him, since he's a swede. Swedes and finns don't really get along, at least that's what i gathered from a swedish friend of mine.
Obviously, i got no opinion on that, since i didn't follow anything in that regard, most likely some made-up bullshit like it usually is with those things, and then blown out of proportion.
From what I know (being Swedish with Finish relatives) it isn't true. There was a large immigration of Finish people during WW2 and later on as we had shortage of workers. We were also part of the same unions for centuries, they are the largest minority in the country due to that. I havn't seen any racism or similar against them in my daily interactions, have one in my department at work and don't see anybody treating him badly.
As for the topic itself. We'll see the reason as the next year rolls around and how things change.
From a swedes point of view, one who has met many DH employees including Robert himself, the fact that he is released is not that surprising. The guy drains huge amounts of energy but also gives it back tenfold. The lack of information from Dreamhack tells you that something bad happened - or not. We don't know. Speculating about this won't get us anywhere, it will only make the tag Esports-drama all too applicable. Let's just wait and see what DH will comment, because they will.
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
If he was indeed treated unfairly, then I somehow doubt that a tweet is the correct way of showing that. He needs to explain how he was treated unfairly, and why DH is the worst organization on earth or something along those lines, and I doubt Twitter is the correct place to do that, especially with the character limitation. So to answer your question, I expect someone, especially if he/she is an important person in the scene, to react in a slightly more elaborate manner than an unclear tweet. You are right on the fact that he's not entitled to protect their good name though.
he doesn't owe you gossip material.
i saw him in an invitational drinking vine, chilling and somewhat talking about DH doing bs as pr stunts/for pr sake, so i figured it's somehow related. in that note, i viewed him and Incontrol being the victims of politic-ism for the sake of ... peoples feeling-isms?. emotionally challenged people shout go extinct.
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
If he was indeed treated unfairly, then I somehow doubt that a tweet is the correct way of showing that. He needs to explain how he was treated unfairly, and why DH is the worst organization on earth or something along those lines, and I doubt Twitter is the correct place to do that, especially with the character limitation. So to answer your question, I expect someone, especially if he/she is an important person in the scene, to react in a slightly more elaborate manner than an unclear tweet. You are right on the fact that he's not entitled to protect their good name though.
he doesn't owe you gossip material.
Which is precisely why he posts an obscure tweet and then doesn't explain himself, heh?
Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
If he was indeed treated unfairly, then I somehow doubt that a tweet is the correct way of showing that. He needs to explain how he was treated unfairly, and why DH is the worst organization on earth or something along those lines, and I doubt Twitter is the correct place to do that, especially with the character limitation. So to answer your question, I expect someone, especially if he/she is an important person in the scene, to react in a slightly more elaborate manner than an unclear tweet. You are right on the fact that he's not entitled to protect their good name though.
he doesn't owe you gossip material.
Which is precisely why he posts an obscure tweet and then doesn't explain himself, heh?
people are allowed to vent; it is you who took it personal as if he was hurting your innate right to know ... more stuff. what actually happens, always trumps its reason for why it happened.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
A huge loss to eSports. The guy was simply brilliant, he had passion and drive, he was a pleasure to talk to and be around. I hope he manages to rebound and maybe start another eSport related company. A man of that energy and talent deserves better. Good luck Robert.
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
Yeah, he's awesome but he's tweeting/saying a bit too much sometimes...
According to some random guy on reddit he has ADHD, anyone know if there's any truth in that?
"He suffers from ADHD and thus has poor impulse control that causes him to say stupid things that needs to come back later. I also believe that he is slight dyslexic."
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ... would you sleep better at night knowing he acted just like you would in that situation?. people are not our lookalikes or abstract, objective entities.
Edit: Taeja's drive to win so many DHs was for that champagne bottle. IT WAS PERSONAL!
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
But I never said that he got fired because of that.. Just that it was a really really unfit ceremony for the champions who have thus far participated. It should be something comfortable (and if possible, distinctly e-sports) for the winner.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
No. Never, NEVER
Why? It is so strange to see a scrawny Korean who can barely lift the bottle to perform the ceremony. Seriously, it's quite humiliating. Unless that's how foreigner fans can get their kicks and giggles. Seriously, why?
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
But I never said that he got fired because of that.. Just that it was a really really unfit ceremony for the champions who have thus far participated. It should be something comfortable (and if possible, distinctly e-sports) for the winner.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
No. Never, NEVER
Why? It is so strange to see a scrawny Korean who can barely lift the bottle to perform the ceremony. Seriously, it's quite humiliating. Unless that's how foreigner fans can get their kicks and giggles. Seriously, why?
Because it's a funny tradition. Why sssoo sseriousss?
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
But I never said that he got fired because of that.. Just that it was a really really unfit ceremony for the champions who have thus far participated. It should be something comfortable (and if possible, distinctly e-sports) for the winner.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
No. Never, NEVER
Why? It is so strange to see a scrawny Korean who can barely lift the bottle to perform the ceremony. Seriously, it's quite humiliating. Unless that's how foreigner fans can get their kicks and giggles. Seriously, why?
I liked the champagne, it fit the Dreamhack image of having fun and not being TOO serious while featuring high level competition. That you feel uncomfortable watching doesn't mean it's a blip on the radar of a player who has just won a Dreamhack event.
The champagne has become a storyline of its own, even being brought up when the CEO gets sacked (despite being completely unrelated). How isn't that unique to esports?
Weird and sad stuff, hopefully DH doesn't become a boring stick-to-being-professional organization now. They've always had that special charm of goofing around like no others and this guy probably had a lot to do with it.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. what good would that do him?
Hes obviously looking for some reaction or backlash onto Dreamhack ("May it die an ignoble death"). If he wanted that to happen, explaining why sacking him calmly and collectedly was a bad choice and how much good hes done etc etc would maybe actually cause such a reacion or backlash. Now though....
"Why uphold standards of dignity?". Because they're standards of dignity. You, me, your friends and everyone else here uphold them 24/7 every day in just about every interaction between ourselves and others. We dont think about it, but we do.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
Compared to other tournaments I always thought the dreamhack broadcasting was terrible. They have 16 matches going on at the same time and they show 1, then they talk for 30 minutes and do a break for 30 minutes then they might show another game. It's so fucking boring. Maybe the new CEO can make the Broadcast better .
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
//edit: well not like "regular" posters. but at one point or another people interested in SC2 and the tournaments will voice their opinion on TL.
Why change something that's working so well. Why remove someone recognizable and a face that people connect with DH. And he was funny too, unlike other CEOs.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
edit
Why remove someone recognizable and a face that people connect with DH. And he was funny too, unlike other CEOs.
To be totally honest, i didn't even know who that guy was until i read it here. I don't connect him with Dreamhack, at all.
On October 26 2014 22:48 LynxRage wrote: Compared to other tournaments I always thought the dreamhack broadcasting was terrible. They have 16 matches going on at the same time and they show 1, then they talk for 30 minutes and do a break for 30 minutes then they might show another game. It's so fucking boring. Maybe the new CEO can make the Broadcast better .
You weren't aware of the community streams? R1CH even made it possible to easily find any match you want to watch.. :-S
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
way to grasp for straws... we KNOW he is in front of a crowd. because of the context. and because winners on a lan tournament usually are.
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ????
Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation.
If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
Just by luck, not preparation.
On October 26 2014 22:49 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:41 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:30 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:28 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:21 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:18 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:10 boxerfred wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:04 plogamer wrote: Funny in a really really sad way.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
Failing? Not everybody is failing to open it.
Hmm Solar was good then? I remember a Korean winning DH and the LR exploding when seeing the amount of mastery with which he did the champagne ceremony, not sure whom
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
Just by luck, not preparation.
On October 26 2014 22:49 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:41 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:30 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:28 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:21 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:18 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:10 boxerfred wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:04 plogamer wrote: Funny in a really really sad way.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
way to grasp for straws... we KNOW he is in front of a crowd. because of the context. and because winners on a lan tournament usually are.
Grasping? I'm clarifying the parameters for my reasons which you so dubiously twisted into merely "opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating."
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ????
Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation.
If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO.
I agree with all your assessments - but as long as there's no clear explanation from either side, it's as much speculation as people trying to blame DH.
I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
That's wrong on so many levels. Not everyone who visits TL, also posts an opinion (in fact, most of the times, you got the same 20-50 people arguing, hardly representative of tens of thousands of viewers). Not to mention that the SC2 audience is not just people who are interested in SC2 eSports. I follow DTM racing, watch it in TV - but you won't see my name in any forum or anything about DTM.
On October 26 2014 22:57 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
Unless viewbotting, there have been streams with thousands of viwers and just a couple of pages of LR thread.
Also, visit =/= post. Look at that inane poll, how many votes? 16 so far. Yep, 16 votes are now representative of tens of thousands of viewers.
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
and we better make the poll on the mainpage of TL! or better spam the internet/all tv channels/radio with it so you can have your desired outcome...
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
Very rarely. And who was talking about LR threads?
Wherelse would the audience of a tournament go to?
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
Very rarely. And who was talking about LR threads?
Wherelse would the audience of a tournament go to?
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
Why there has to be 10 000 people in live report thread at the same time? I just don't get it.
I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
Few of my friends check teamliquid daily. Some people more rarely. Some only visit Teamliquid week before tournament for preview and few days after tournament for pics and recaps.
It seems like a silly argument to claim most SC2 viewers visit TL. There's also reddit, Blizzard SC2 site, twitch. Just because you like TL for news and whatnot doesn't mean most SC2 viewers visit it.
On October 26 2014 23:30 Doodsmack wrote: It seems like a silly argument to claim most SC2 viewers visit TL. There's also reddit, Blizzard SC2 site, twitch. Just because you like TL for news and whatnot doesn't mean most SC2 viewers visit it.
Yeah I see that now. For some reason I completely forgot about Reddit >_<
I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
Few of my friends check teamliquid daily. Some people more rarely. Some only visit Teamliquid week before tournament for preview and few days after tournament for pics and recaps.
Because somebody claimed that TL speaks (edit: or is representative) for the majority of the SC2 audience. To argue that alot of people visit a page makes no sense, what matters is people who state an opinion, and that would be the most obvious in LR threads.
This is horrible. I love Robert and he felt like the perfect person to lead Dreamhack further. He was also a sc2 supporter so I really hope the new guy loves sc2 as well.
On a side note: I was in the front row of DH:sthlm and Robert was not the one opening Solar's champagne.
Of course they do. Just not in Dreamhack.It's a tournament where a Hearthstone cheater was not disqualified but rewarded with the first place, after all. I hope after the CEO change such things won't happen again.
Obviously there's some emotions behind his tweets but the reality is this a regular part of business. The best thing to have done would be to have wished them well and move forward from there.
Of course they do. Just not in Dreamhack.It's a tournament where a Hearthstone cheater was not disqualified but rewarded with the first place, after all. I hope after the CEO change such things won't happen again.
Of course they do. Just not in Dreamhack.It's a tournament where a Hearthstone cheater was not disqualified but rewarded with the first place, after all. I hope after the CEO change such things won't happen again.
He would've been DQd if needed. I assume you talk about the message RDU received during the match - and turns out, the message didn't influence his play. Even Amaz (his opponent) agreed to that and said he clearly isn't a cheater.
Stick to facts. You may like or dislike that Ohlen-dude, but making up "facts" doesn't add to a discussion.
edit: obviously it was retarded to not wipe the friendlists first. But receiving messages midgame while being streamed is kinda obviously not cheating. The whole point of cheating is not getting caught, hard to pull off on stream and stage.
and turns out, the message didn't influence his play. Even Amaz (his opponent) agreed to that and said he clearly isn't a cheater.
"Cheating didn't influence his play", or "opponent agreed" are excuses no serious tournament even bothers to consider. It's laughable someone is even mentioning them with a straight face. Things like this do not happen in serious tournaments, and if something remotely close happens, bans and suspends are handed out immediately. At the very least, matches are replayed, if the shit that happened was really not a participants fault. But Dreamhack handled the situation like some amateurs to put it mildly. Out of fear to be sued, no less. I hope the next CEO will have guts to stand against cheating.
and turns out, the message didn't influence his play. Even Amaz (his opponent) agreed to that and said he clearly isn't a cheater.
"Cheating didn't influence his play", or "opponent agreed" are excuses no serious tournament even bothers to consider. It's laughable someone is even mentioning them with a straight face. Things like this do not happen in serious tournaments, and if something remotely close happens, bans and suspends are handed immediately. At the very least, matches are replayed, if the shit that happened was really not a participants fault. But Dreamhack handled the situation like some amateurs to put it mildly. Out of fear to be sued, no less. I hope the next CEO is going to have more guts to stand against cheating.
Wanna bet if Amaz would've pressed for a rematch, he would've got it?
You miss the point where he himself said: "he isn't cheating". Nobody cares about your opinion, all that matters is RDU and his opponent in that matter. And, to make it crystal clear: Amaz admitted defeat regardless. To quote him:
"RDU is definitely not cheating, he's not cheating," he said.
I take his opinion over yours any day. Not because he's a community figure, but he can actually estimate if something did damage to his match.
Not to mention that the CEO doesn't do the decision anyway, it's the admins - so your point is not just wrong but pointless anyway.
edit:
lol, looks like artosis has an opinion on that too
The disgusting and corrupt Hearthstone reddit removed my post, supported by every progamer, about RDU's DreamHack win. Here it is: About what happened... RDU was messaged about a 2 cards in Amazs hand during game 2 of the DreamHack finals. This was greatly discussed amongst all of the top pros, and not one thinks he cheated. The game was already over. The information had no chance of helping RDU, because he was definitely going to win no matter what at that point. RDU looked very upset when this happened, and we even saw him call over an admin immediately after the game. theres some stupid theories going around about hi mom meaning leeroy jenkins or something. ive done more esports events than probably anyone in the world, and i can tell you definitively that hi mom is exactly what every single ass who messages someone during a stream says. the fact that more than one person messaged him shows that he didnt cheat even more. you dont set up a cheating circle with multiple people, its 100x more likely to come out. please discontinue this ridiculous hatred of young and talented 17 year old kid who had idiots no his friends list.
On October 26 2014 05:52 Canucklehead wrote: It's ironic DreamHack always had that whole happy go lucky family reputation while mlg was portrayed as more corporate. I guess it was all a facade and there's as much infighting there as on moba teams. Chanman needs to come out of retirement and host a special unfiltered with Robert on it!
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ????
Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation.
If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO.
I agree with this. We should wait for a more professional elaboration from an involved party and not jump to pass judgment over whether or not firing him was the *right* thing to do... but still, he's clearly handling this unprofessionally. I can't imagine that the whole "fuck everyone" attitude is the best way to portray his position; burning bridges and coming off as a lunatic and all that jazz.
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. what good would that do him?
Hes obviously looking for some reaction or backlash onto Dreamhack ("May it die an ignoble death"). If he wanted that to happen, explaining why sacking him calmly and collectedly was a bad choice and how much good hes done etc etc would maybe actually cause such a reacion or backlash. Now though....
"Why uphold standards of dignity?". Because they're standards of dignity. You, me, your friends and everyone else here uphold them 24/7 every day in just about every interaction between ourselves and others. We dont think about it, but we do.
i took the tweet to mean that he would be happy if bad things happen to DH; he didn't tell you or anyone else to bomb DH or something ... i'd wish bad things to happen to entities that screwed me over too(based on my own subjectivity ofc).
and why are you even talking about standards, when you know there aren't any: you expect different things from different people based on their social status, job position, function etcetc. just remember, we're not talking about ones humanity here but about some righteous social etiquette that if not present, just but-hurts people.
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. what good would that do him?
Hes obviously looking for some reaction or backlash onto Dreamhack ("May it die an ignoble death"). If he wanted that to happen, explaining why sacking him calmly and collectedly was a bad choice and how much good hes done etc etc would maybe actually cause such a reacion or backlash. Now though....
"Why uphold standards of dignity?". Because they're standards of dignity. You, me, your friends and everyone else here uphold them 24/7 every day in just about every interaction between ourselves and others. We dont think about it, but we do.
i took the tweet to mean that he would be happy if bad things happen to DH; he didn't tell you or anyone else to bomb DH or something ... i'd wish bad things to happen to entities that screwed me over too(based on my own subjectivity ofc).
and why are you even talking about standards, when you know there aren't any: you expect different things from different people based on their social status, job position, function etcetc. just remember, we're not talking about ones humanity here but about some righteous social etiquette that if not present, just but-hurts people.
Making a tweet is equivalent to making a public statement these days. So saying that he wishes DH's death on twitter basically equals saying us to support and him and that DH is an atrocious company. And I think everyone expects from a CEO to react in a calm and controlled way. At least that's some qualities a good CEO should have.
Full scale speculation incoming, on the basis of nothing.
Robert is a passionate CEO. He is running the company. He is also, like nearly every C-level executive I've ever met in every industry (and this includes billion dollar companies), is somewhat authoritarian in demeanor, firm in his convictions, and willing to offend to get things done. (To be frank, a bit of an a-hole. Charming to be sure, but willing to be rude or even insulting to get things done.) At some point, he and another individual within Dreamhack had a disagreement. By virtue of "I'm the CEO, deal with it" - Robert got his way. It could have been anything from "We'd rather not run StarCraft II" to "I think we should go with cheaper champagne" to "Let's go out for drinks." Anything at all. Alternately, it could have been nothing. It could just be someone in the company that wants to be CEO, because there lies the power and money and limo rides with Geoff Robinson (truly, glorious treasure to seek).
So, for whatever reason, some behind the scenes business maneuvering happens. The board votes Robert out, and a new CEO in. Since this CEO is an internal hire, I'm guessing this is not an overnight decision - and that it's been coming. But, you don't tell Robert that. So Robert, who has been pouring his passion into Dreamhack, suddenly finds out that the board has turned against him and decided someone else should run things. Of course it's going to be upsetting, and he'll be angry. You don't get to be a CEO of any company without being willing to say unpleasant things. So he does. Is it applicable to how he was removed? We don't know. Could Robert have instead said he was "taking time off to be with his family" or similar excuse? Maybe. Then again, a lot of times CEOs leave (or are fired) in a different way, with various things (like severances) tied to toeing the party line on the separation.
People that would like to wait for more information - kudos. A sensible idea, however I am 99.9% certain that we will never know exactly what it was that caused the sudden firing of Robert Ohlen from the point of view of objective, indisputable fact.
My opinion is irrelevant - it's a done deal. But you can bet I will be watching to see what Dreamhack does as an organization, how their events are run (for Starcraft II - I don't care about the dotos and others), and if their level of performance stays at their current level.
Best wishes to the new CEO (that will have to deal with all of this), even if s/he is the one behind the firing. Best wishes to Robert Ohlen, who has proven himself (via the performance of Dreamhack) to be a competent CEO and, like the guy at T-Mobile (not an actor, surprisingly), has proven popular with a lot of customers. And best wishes to Dreamhack - don't fuck it up going forward.
On October 27 2014 03:38 felisconcolori wrote: Full scale speculation incoming, on the basis of nothing.
Robert is a passionate CEO. He is running the company. He is also, like nearly every C-level executive I've ever met in every industry (and this includes billion dollar companies), is somewhat authoritarian in demeanor, firm in his convictions, and willing to offend to get things done. (To be frank, a bit of an a-hole. Charming to be sure, but willing to be rude or even insulting to get things done.) At some point, he and another individual within Dreamhack had a disagreement. By virtue of "I'm the CEO, deal with it" - Robert got his way. It could have been anything from "We'd rather not run StarCraft II" to "I think we should go with cheaper champagne" to "Let's go out for drinks." Anything at all. Alternately, it could have been nothing. It could just be someone in the company that wants to be CEO, because there lies the power and money and limo rides with Geoff Robinson (truly, glorious treasure to seek).
So, for whatever reason, some behind the scenes business maneuvering happens. The board votes Robert out, and a new CEO in. Since this CEO is an internal hire, I'm guessing this is not an overnight decision - and that it's been coming. But, you don't tell Robert that. So Robert, who has been pouring his passion into Dreamhack, suddenly finds out that the board has turned against him and decided someone else should run things. Of course it's going to be upsetting, and he'll be angry. You don't get to be a CEO of any company without being willing to say unpleasant things. So he does. Is it applicable to how he was removed? We don't know. Could Robert have instead said he was "taking time off to be with his family" or similar excuse? Maybe. Then again, a lot of times CEOs leave (or are fired) in a different way, with various things (like severances) tied to toeing the party line on the separation.
People that would like to wait for more information - kudos. A sensible idea, however I am 99.9% certain that we will never know exactly what it was that caused the sudden firing of Robert Ohlen from the point of view of objective, indisputable fact.
My opinion is irrelevant - it's a done deal. But you can bet I will be watching to see what Dreamhack does as an organization, how their events are run (for Starcraft II - I don't care about the dotos and others), and if their level of performance stays at their current level.
Best wishes to the new CEO (that will have to deal with all of this), even if s/he is the one behind the firing. Best wishes to Robert Ohlen, who has proven himself (via the performance of Dreamhack) to be a competent CEO and, like the guy at T-Mobile (not an actor, surprisingly), has proven popular with a lot of customers. And best wishes to Dreamhack - don't fuck it up going forward.
Any esports journalists around? From what i've read this is the second not-so-friendly change of leadership for Dreamhack, could be an interesting story or something.
To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
On October 27 2014 08:23 TRaFFiC wrote: To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
ur right man, what if the CEO was betrayed by his fellow companions, how would u react?
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
How is Dreamhack Roberts life project? And it wasn't like Robert got the position under clear circumstances either, just ask the former CEO if he felt he was treated fairly by Roberts family(at the time Roberts father owned 50% of Dreamhack, don't know what it looks like today)
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
How is Dreamhack Roberts life project? And it wasn't like Robert got the position under clear circumstances either, just ask the former CEO if he felt he was treated fairly by Roberts family(at the time Roberts father owned 50% of Dreamhack, don't know what it looks like today)
Well, don't leave us hanging. It's pretty unfair to slander someone and then don't state your source or information.
On October 27 2014 08:23 TRaFFiC wrote: To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
What hate? Calling Robert's Twitter posts unprofessional isn't being melodramatic or hostile, it's stating a fact. His Twitter posts are not likely to help him secure another job now that he's lost this one. That is the very definition of "unprofessional." Should we care about that kind of behavior? That's up to every individual to decide for themselves, but in this thread there have been like... two people who straight up criticized the man?
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
How is Dreamhack Roberts life project? And it wasn't like Robert got the position under clear circumstances either, just ask the former CEO if he felt he was treated fairly by Roberts family(at the time Roberts father owned 50% of Dreamhack, don't know what it looks like today)
when you are a CEO of a company, usually you make the well being of that company and the growth of it your life projec, at least short term.
On October 27 2014 08:23 TRaFFiC wrote: To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
What hate? Calling Robert's Twitter posts unprofessional isn't being melodramatic or hostile, it's stating a fact. His Twitter posts are not likely to help him secure another job now that he's lost this one. That is the very definition of "unprofessional." Should we care about that kind of behavior? That's up to every individual to decide for themselves, but in this thread there have been like... two people who straight up criticized the man?
Overreacting about overreacting, imo.
Unprofessional "below or contrary to the standards expected in a particular profession." It's not a fact. It's an opinion. People on the internet are always too quick to judge others. It's too easy to hold people to ridiculous standards while eating icecream out of the box in your basement suite. Twitter isn't that important, even in the e-sports world. He has 10k followers compared to incontrol who has 50k. Does that mean incontrol is more capable of getting a high paying job? No. If he were to look for a job outside of e-sports, I don't think anyone would even notice twitter.
On October 27 2014 08:23 TRaFFiC wrote: To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
What hate? Calling Robert's Twitter posts unprofessional isn't being melodramatic or hostile, it's stating a fact. His Twitter posts are not likely to help him secure another job now that he's lost this one. That is the very definition of "unprofessional." Should we care about that kind of behavior? That's up to every individual to decide for themselves, but in this thread there have been like... two people who straight up criticized the man?
Overreacting about overreacting, imo.
Unprofessional "below or contrary to the standards expected in a particular profession." It's not a fact. It's an opinion. People on the internet are always too quick to judge others. It's too easy to hold people to ridiculous standards while eating icecream out of the box in your basement suite. Twitter isn't that important, even in the e-sports world. He has 10k followers compared to incontrol who has 50k. Does that mean incontrol is more capable of getting a high paying job? No. If he were to look for a job outside of e-sports, I don't think anyone would even notice twitter.
People thought the same thing about facebook 10 years ago... Now it's not uncommon for employers to ask for a person's facebook as part of the interview process.
On October 27 2014 08:23 TRaFFiC wrote: To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
What hate? Calling Robert's Twitter posts unprofessional isn't being melodramatic or hostile, it's stating a fact. His Twitter posts are not likely to help him secure another job now that he's lost this one. That is the very definition of "unprofessional." Should we care about that kind of behavior? That's up to every individual to decide for themselves, but in this thread there have been like... two people who straight up criticized the man?
Overreacting about overreacting, imo.
Unprofessional "below or contrary to the standards expected in a particular profession." It's not a fact. It's an opinion. People on the internet are always too quick to judge others. It's too easy to hold people to ridiculous standards while eating icecream out of the box in your basement suite. Twitter isn't that important, even in the e-sports world. He has 10k followers compared to incontrol who has 50k. Does that mean incontrol is more capable of getting a high paying job? No. If he were to look for a job outside of e-sports, I don't think anyone would even notice twitter.
Prospective employers will look at those tweets and say "do we want to risk that sort of PR shitstorm falling on our heads if we hire Robert and offend his sensibilities?" A CEO in our culture is expected to be dignified and cordial. Robert's tweets are neither. Therefore they are unprofessional.
This isn't an attack on the man, you don't need to take a bullet for him.
edit: I have no idea why you brought up InControl or how many viewers they have.
On October 27 2014 08:23 TRaFFiC wrote: To all the people saying he's unprofessional, he didn't disclose any of DH's information in his tweets. I'm sure he wanted to set the record straight, but all he did was express his anger. Nothing wrong with that. He's only human. You should walk in a man's shoes before judging him. And he went on a few talk shows after having a few drinks, big deal. He WASN'T drunk, just tipsy. He still brought up a lot of good points. You guys rather have a CEO who never interacts with the community because fools like you come on the forum and say it's "unprofessional" when you obviously have no idea what it means to be CEO. Seriously, I don't understand where all this hate is coming from.
1. It's not arbitrary hate; it's criticism regarding how he handled his firing.
2. No one is saying that being professional means "never interacts with the community", so please don't create the false dichotomy between Either being unprofessional on Twitter or Never interacting with the community. You can have a Twitter and not rage at your (ex)company. It's called not burning bridges.
3. You basically just said "He wasn't unprofessional... he just went on a few talk shows while tipsy and flipped out on Twitter." I think many (if not most) people would categorize that as being unprofessional.
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
How is Dreamhack Roberts life project? And it wasn't like Robert got the position under clear circumstances either, just ask the former CEO if he felt he was treated fairly by Roberts family(at the time Roberts father owned 50% of Dreamhack, don't know what it looks like today)
Well, don't leave us hanging. It's pretty unfair to slander someone and then don't state your source or information.
I don't know if it is comprehensible with google translate, but basically Robert and the other guy, David Garpenståhl, bought Dreamhack and split the ownership in 2006, but Garpenståhl was in charge of running the event. He was officially made CEO in the fall of 2009, but was abrubtly fired in the spring of 2010 by Roberts father, Bernt Ohlen, whom Robert had transferred his part of the ownership to. The stated reason being "He didn't handle his job properly", and no article I have read nor David himself have found any more specifics. According to David this was made possible because Bernt had sold Davids shares to a friend of his for 1 SEK(less than $0,20) citing some irregularities in Davids accounting. With the newly found majority vote they issued new shares, and while the selling of Davids shares have been deemed unrightful in court, they afterwards only amounted to 6% ownership in the company leaving Ohlén with a majority ownership.
Quotes from David: "That I "didn't handly my job properly" was just a false pretense so that the Ohlén family could go behind my back and hijack the company board only to coup the businesses and try to list them on the stock exchange" + Show Spoiler +
– Att jag "inte skött mitt jobb" var endast en påhittad orsak för familjen Ohlén för att gå bakom min rygg och kapa bolagets styrelse och för att sedan kuppa företagen och försöka sätta dem på börsen.
"I feel totally run over and very disappointed" + Show Spoiler +
– Jag känner mig helt överkörd och väldigt besviken.
I haven't found any more court results, but at the time they had multiple law suits running side by side. I also don't know who was guilty of what since most info is coming from the people involved. Maybe someone on this site closer to the Dreamhack operation can clear some things up. There definitely seems to have been some murky waters though, and the narrative coming from Robert today is eerily similar to that of David in 2010.
EDIT: Small disclaimer I don't know Robert, David or anyone else involved with Dreamhack. I have never even been to one. For all I know David could have been the shadiest person alive or a complete saint. All I know is what is written in the articles I have found and that Dreamhack seems to have been doing great under Davids management between 2006-2010, the same way it has been doing great under Robert until now.
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ????
Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation.
If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO.
I agree with this. We should wait for a more professional elaboration from an involved party and not jump to pass judgment over whether or not firing him was the *right* thing to do... but still, he's clearly handling this unprofessionally. I can't imagine that the whole "fuck everyone" attitude is the best way to portray his position; burning bridges and coming off as a lunatic and all that jazz.
The best response I remember ever is when the coach of my fav football team around 5-7 years ago was fired (after dissapointing results) At that time there had been lots of criticsm and rumors about the board charman. However, after the coach was fired he responded to the press: "If any of you guys in 3-5 months wanna contact me and try to get any criticism out of me, you can just forget it. I am not gonna tell you anything."
While I previously had been critical of me (due to his medicore/bad results), that response really changed my perspective on him. Becasue while acting super professionally he also indicated that there actually was a bit of problems on the board-level, and thus he didn't have to take all of the responsiblity on him self. And a couple of years after, he went on to win the championsship with a medicore team.
So sad to see him go ; always liked him, being mature, older and wiser than most in the pretty young gaming community. Hope he continues within the esport-business.
So.. Robert owns over 50% of the company, but he got fired? Can someone please make an article about what the hell is going on soon??
I thought it were some kind of non-profit organization since they would just throw him as CEO! How can they do that if Robert and his father owns the company??
On October 27 2014 22:22 aslejoh wrote: So.. Robert owns over 50% of the company, but he got fired? Can someone please make an article about what the hell is going on soon??
I thought it were some kind of non-profit organization since they would just throw him as CEO! How can they do that if Robert and his father owns the company??
They own the shares, doesn't mean they own the board, which can fire a misbehaving CEO.
On October 27 2014 22:22 aslejoh wrote: So.. Robert owns over 50% of the company, but he got fired? Can someone please make an article about what the hell is going on soon??
I thought it were some kind of non-profit organization since they would just throw him as CEO! How can they do that if Robert and his father owns the company??
They own the shares, doesn't mean they own the board, which can fire a misbehaving CEO.
Sure, but a 50% majority share holder can fire the board.
Correct, if someone has majority ownership of a company I am pretty sure they will also have the chairman of the board as their representative, and majority of the board will support the one controlling the most stakes in the company..
it will take time to research and it takes balls to do it. because if you write something dreamhack does not like they can blacklist you and say goodbye to ever get something with dreamhack done. simple example you want to do more with dreamhack and counterstrike but dreamhack does not like you...well you will not get hired by dreamhack. is it worth?
as we all know nothing and just speculating lets fire this one. mlg & alex garfield are pissed at dreamhack and made a inside job to control at least dreamhack because they cant do the same with esl. sounds unrealistic? maybe alex told the government dreamhack has oil. they could believe this. now you think thats stupid? well usa still did not find the weapons of mass destruction that irak has! i mean they said it has, they would not lie to their own or the world or would they? i mean if they lied you should think they would get sued, people that did a crime would get in prison, nothing happend so they did not lie.
On October 27 2014 23:36 tadL wrote: it will take time to research and it takes balls to do it. because if you write something dreamhack does not like they can blacklist you and say goodbye to ever get something with dreamhack done. simple example you want to do more with dreamhack and counterstrike but dreamhack does not like you...well you will not get hired by dreamhack. is it worth?
as we all know nothing and just speculating lets fire this one. mlg & alex garfield are pissed at dreamhack and made a inside job to control at least dreamhack because they cant do the same with esl. sounds unrealistic? maybe alex told the goverment dreamhack has oil. they could believe this. now you think thats stupid? well usa still did not find the weapons of mass destrustruction that irak has! i mean they said they have, they would not lie to their own people or would they?
I go with this version of the events. Just because.
Apparently he has something to say but won't or wants people to believe there is something more to it.. Either way I'm not a fan of what he is doing.
These passive-aggressive remarks are really off-putting, and becomes more so the longer he keeps it up without telling his side of the story. Either he should spell it out or keep quiet.
On October 28 2014 01:37 pure.Wasted wrote: I don't spend too much time on Twitter. Are responses like Alex Mirin's commonplace?
Not particularly but they're not rare either. I'd argue that twitter kind of stimulates stupidity... can't deny that it must be frustrating to have to convey something meaningful with 144 characters or whatever it is.
On October 28 2014 01:37 pure.Wasted wrote: I don't spend too much time on Twitter. Are responses like Alex Mirin's commonplace?
Twitter is what people make of it. So generally no, but it can be about the same cesspool like everywhere else. That's because certifiable assholes can be found literally everywhere.
Robert is not doing himself any favours by posting cryptic vituperations on twitter. DH addressed the issue in the article to my satisfaction, and if Robert wants to garner support, he should start by giving us a coherent and comprehensive account of what happened.
We still have no clue what happened. If Robert are right do you really expect Dreamhack to say that? And naturally if Robert feels he got screwed he's not an unbiased source of information. I'm kinda shocked there aren't any Swedish sites that provide with more information of the events, it's like esport journalism have one foot in the grave at this point.
On October 28 2014 03:43 gruff wrote: We still have no clue what happened. If Robert are right do you really expect Dreamhack to say that? And naturally if Robert feels he got screwed he's not an unbiased source of information. I'm kinda shocked there aren't any Swedish sites that provide with more information of the events, it's like esport journalism have one foot in the grave at this point.
Trouble is, he actually isn't saying that they're wrong. He doesn't say anything, he's just passive aggressive. There's literally nothing from his point of view/side at all apart from a tantrum.
On October 28 2014 03:43 gruff wrote: We still have no clue what happened. If Robert are right do you really expect Dreamhack to say that? And naturally if Robert feels he got screwed he's not an unbiased source of information. I'm kinda shocked there aren't any Swedish sites that provide with more information of the events, it's like esport journalism have one foot in the grave at this point.
But if you are getting screwed over, would it not behoove you to actually explain how and why it happened? Just posting random passive-aggressive stuff doesn't really clarify or refute anything.
Yall are all mad that he is being passive aggressive, but then when he says something you turn around and call it "unprofessional." Imagine how unprofessional the truth is. I imagine that's why it hasn't come out and why it might never come out.
as a general rule, people pick on things that don't uphold their own (taught/trained/educated) value systems. - if someone was taught from an early age to value grammar, they'll lash out on everyone who doesn't. - if someone was taught that how one presents itself to society is more important then what he does/did, then he will lash out on everyone who doesn't. - and so on and so on ... it's nothing personal here. it just happened for R.Ohlen to be on the wrong side of grammar/social etiquette. people are so detached from other people, that abstract concepts and values end up having more weight, being more important then the person(s) in question.
On October 28 2014 18:41 TRaFFiC wrote: Yall are all mad that he is being passive aggressive, but then when he says something you turn around and call it "unprofessional." Imagine how unprofessional the truth is. I imagine that's why it hasn't come out and why it might never come out.
So basically, he's not telling us anything of substance, because the truth might be so embarassing he'd rather not tell? How is that any kind of exonerating circumstance?
If the only thing he can offer are the opaque references to DH's underhanded tactics or the even more cryptic outbursts, would not be better to just not say anything? If he had a better case or explanation that showed him to be the victim of a coup, I'm pretty sure he would have posted it immediately.
On October 28 2014 18:41 TRaFFiC wrote: Yall are all mad that he is being passive aggressive, but then when he says something you turn around and call it "unprofessional." Imagine how unprofessional the truth is. I imagine that's why it hasn't come out and why it might never come out.
No, the passive agressiveness is precisely what is unprofessional. Either he has an agreement of some sort that prevents him from talking about what happened and then he should be totally silent, or he hasn't (most likely) and then nothing prevents him from actually saying his version of the events. Right now he's just trolling and trying to hurt DH, and it makes him look bad and unprofessional. (and tbh his behavior is more reminescent of someone that has been fired in a legit way and is angry as fuck about it than of someone who has been the victim of a plot)
As to the email getting "deleted" and losing his accounts - this is standard practice. Any company worth a damn will ensure that employees quitting / about to get fired will not have access to sensitive material.
I find arguments for both sides and there is only speculation to be done and there is really no point to that.
On October 28 2014 18:41 TRaFFiC wrote: Yall are all mad that he is being passive aggressive, but then when he says something you turn around and call it "unprofessional." Imagine how unprofessional the truth is. I imagine that's why it hasn't come out and why it might never come out.
No, the passive agressiveness is precisely what is unprofessional. Either he has an agreement of some sort that prevents him from talking about what happened and then he should be totally silent, or he hasn't (most likely) and then nothing prevents him from actually saying his version of the events. Right now he's just trolling and trying to hurt DH, and it makes him look bad and unprofessional. (and tbh his behavior is more reminescent of someone that has been fired in a legit way and is angry as fuck about it than of someone who has been the victim of a plot)
You're possibly missing the line he might be taking in his response where his anger is evident but he does not actually do anything which could materially harm the Dreamhack organization - due either to his continued attachment to the organization as a financially interested (assuming he still owns stock in the company) person, continued sentimental attachment to the people and name he's spent time leading, or (lastly) to avoid becoming the target of a lawsuit due to making actionable statements. It's quite possible that he's mad as hell about it, but doesn't want to express that anger in a way that could negatively impact his own vested interests in the success of the company.
As far as hurting Dreamhack - if this followed the Kespa/Korean statement model, nothing would be different from the perspective of the fans. (I'm generalizing, of course - some people might be irrational about things, or view them differently in a rational fashion with different logic.) We're all still going to be watching to see what changes if any come about with Dreamhack, we'll all still be expecting them to deliver at least the quality of content they do now (and bitch and moan if the standards drop - hell, let's be honest, some of us will bitch and moan anyways), and for the moment, interest in Dreamhack has increased. I imagine they will get some more eyeballs for their next event simply because of the drama generated here - people that otherwise might not have been paying attention will tune in to see what impact (if any, and it probably won't have any visible impact to viewers not present in the boardroom and back offices) it might have on future activities by the Dreamhack organization.
I will grant you that the statement "any publicity is good publicity" is in fact flawed, but in this case the controversy seems to be generating interest that won't do any lasting harm to the organization assuming they continue forward at least as well as they have been going on now for awhile.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, am not a stockholder of Dreamhack, and am framing this as related to my own limited experience. YMMV, etc, etc.
Ah he finally explains what happened ! I have to say that (if this version is true ofc) being betrayed by his father that way must be really hard to live. However the article forgets to mention that he didn't buy DH alone, and that Garpenståhl, who the article says tried to 'oust' Ohlen, was indeed fired for obscure reasons too. Tbh the article reads a bit like a PR statement from Ohlen too. But that's probably fair. edit : also TheBloodyDwarf so gosu he manages to post in a closed thread once the thread is closed, I am impressed
On October 30 2014 02:18 NovemberstOrm wrote: updated OP
Why not just link the Heyoka thread at LiquidDota to SC2 as well? This information deserves a thread of its own. Anything else would be a spit in the face of Robert Ohlén. You're also missing the link to the actual article over at DailyDot. In your quote, only a portion of the text is shown.
Ah he finally explains what happened ! I have to say that (if this version is true ofc) being betrayed by his father that way must be really hard to live. However the article forgets to mention that he didn't buy DH alone, and that Garpenståhl, who the article says tried to 'oust' Ohlen, was indeed fired for obscure reasons too. Tbh the article reads a bit like a PR statement from Ohlen too. But that's probably fair. edit : also TheBloodyDwarf so gosu he manages to post in a closed thread once the thread is closed, I am impressed
I have magic power but don't tell anybody! --- I would like to know more why he gave his shares to his dad.
Ah he finally explains what happened ! I have to say that (if this version is true ofc) being betrayed by his father that way must be really hard to live. However the article forgets to mention that he didn't buy DH alone, and that Garpenståhl, who the article says tried to 'oust' Ohlen, was indeed fired for obscure reasons too. Tbh the article reads a bit like a PR statement from Ohlen too. But that's probably fair. edit : also TheBloodyDwarf so gosu he manages to post in a closed thread once the thread is closed, I am impressed
I have magic power but don't tell anybody! --- I would like to know more why he gave his shares to his dad.
The last post on page 13 might interest you then edit : wait no, actually that post doesn't explains that. You have a good point here, I don't see why he couldn't have kept his parts
Cant believe his own father betrayed him 0_0 I imagine Ohlen may never forgive him for that and seems like the kinda thing that'll just generally smash a family into pieces. Why did he do it I wonder? Do we know anything about Ohlens father?(couldn't find anything online) I assume his dad is accustomed to holding positions of power (past ceo of a different company maybe?).
As for Ohlens place in esports here on out, unless he does another start up or something I cant imagine anyone trusting him with control given how he reacted to this particular crisis. I mean It seems unlikely that DH will make it through this unscathed, so yah gotta ask, why hire someone that has enough public favour to wound your company if you ever need to get rid of them?
Still, just seems like a really stupid move on DH's part to just kick him like that, I mean they knew he could be volatile. why invite this kind of drama? Would he have really made that nightmarish a chairman? Maybe its his father thats responsible for the total ousting, after all, theres no way Robert would get kicked like this without his dads approval.
On October 30 2014 02:42 gumshoe wrote: Cant believe his own father betrayed him 0_0 I imagine Ohlen may never forgiving him for that and seems like the kinda thing that'll just generally smash a family into pieces. Why did he do it I wonder? Do we know anything about Ohlens father?(couldn't find anything online) I assume his dad is accustomed to holding positions of power (past ceo of a different company maybe?).
As for Ohlens place in esports here on out, unless he does another start up or something I cant imagine anyone trusting him with control given how he reacted to this particular crisis. I mean It seems unlikely that DH will make it through this unscathed, so yah gotta ask, why hire someone that has ebough public favour to wound your company if you ever need to get rid of them?
Still, just seems like a really stupid move on DH's part to just kick him like that, I mean they knew he could be volatile. why invite this kind of drama? Would he have really made that nightmarish a chairman? Maybe its his father thats responsible for the total ousting, afterall, theres no way Robert would get kicked like this without his dads approval.
What a fucking bastard.
Nothing guarantees that Ohlen's version is 100% accurate, just like for DH's.
I wonder, will anyone actually boycott DH after this? Injustice of the situation aside, it genuinely sounds like Ohlen was doing a pretty rough job these past months. I personally cant bring myself to hope that Dreamhack suffers because of all this drama, Esports just feels too weak atm for fans to be petty over this kind of stuff T_T
On October 30 2014 02:42 gumshoe wrote: Cant believe his own father betrayed him 0_0 I imagine Ohlen may never forgiving him for that and seems like the kinda thing that'll just generally smash a family into pieces. Why did he do it I wonder? Do we know anything about Ohlens father?(couldn't find anything online) I assume his dad is accustomed to holding positions of power (past ceo of a different company maybe?).
As for Ohlens place in esports here on out, unless he does another start up or something I cant imagine anyone trusting him with control given how he reacted to this particular crisis. I mean It seems unlikely that DH will make it through this unscathed, so yah gotta ask, why hire someone that has ebough public favour to wound your company if you ever need to get rid of them?
Still, just seems like a really stupid move on DH's part to just kick him like that, I mean they knew he could be volatile. why invite this kind of drama? Would he have really made that nightmarish a chairman? Maybe its his father thats responsible for the total ousting, afterall, theres no way Robert would get kicked like this without his dads approval.
What a fucking bastard.
Nothing guarantees that Ohlen's version is 100% accurate, just like for DH's.
The matter of his father role in the events seems pretty definitive ) :
Damn, can't even trust you own father. I wonder if his father only has DH shares, but is totally hands off with DH, or does he actually involve himself with DH's business. I'm disappointed Robert regrets his tweets, cause I was hoping he was going to burn it all down and write a tell all esports book.
I've done some research and it's incredibly hard to find informations on Bernt Ohlen, even in the Swedish press. Only interesting thing I found was that according to David Garpenståhl, CEO of DH before Robert Ohlen, he used DH's money to cover up an important financial loss another of his companies took, which points towards Bernt Ohlen owning multiple companies and doing business. It's also really interesting to see the similarities between Garpenståhl's story and what Robert is claiming right now
EPT
that and with how well its been doing in recent years hes clearly being doing his job..
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