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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 03 2014 02:58 GMT
#101
On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:
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On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote:
It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one.

The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways.


If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken

It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
September 03 2014 03:52 GMT
#102
On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote:
It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one.

The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways.


If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken

It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.


If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 03 2014 03:57 GMT
#103
On September 03 2014 12:52 BakedButters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote:
It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one.

The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways.


If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken

It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.


If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases

I think it's just natural that 'balance' shifts back and forth between two races as pros keep figuring the game out more.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/466161-down-the-terran-rabbit-hole-with-liquidbunny

Bunny says the new map pool and the new patch haven't changed TvP that much.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
September 03 2014 04:14 GMT
#104
On September 03 2014 12:57 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 12:52 BakedButters wrote:
On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote:
It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one.

The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways.


If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken

It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.


If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases

I think it's just natural that 'balance' shifts back and forth between two races as pros keep figuring the game out more.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/466161-down-the-terran-rabbit-hole-with-liquidbunny

Bunny says the new map pool and the new patch haven't changed TvP that much.


Bunny says TvP has become very predictable for the Terran, and that's the advantage, even if the Terran doesn't use widow mines

The patch effectively cuts the Protoss's tech in half. In the early game, Terrans can refine their builds knowing they have less threats. The need/gamble to not go for reaper first is becoming less mandatory. In the mid-game, Terrans even more stronger than they already are. It's much harder to defend drops going collosus tech, and with the patch, drops can do greater damage with widow mines even against thermal lance (as Bunny said). So far Toss are struggling/ not experienced to defend with trying to get multiple observers in place. Terran can then be more greedy or take advantage of their strong mid-game, while Toss, if they are not going for a timing, is worried about defending their bases.

TvP is all about composition for the terran in the late game to match and effectively counter Protoss army comp, or overwhelm with larger forces. In the late game, they can know more the exact collosus count and prepare ahead of time with vikings, build double starport, get the right composition at the right time. The protoss tries to suprise the Terran by example building 1 collo then going immortals, or try to go quick storm after collo.
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
September 03 2014 04:21 GMT
#105
On September 03 2014 11:13 GolemMadness wrote:
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On September 02 2014 18:15 deacon.frost wrote:
As much as I want to be on the "Flash hype train" I simply cannot. He plays so boring style to watch I cannot help myself(also he has the most annoying fans there) but to hope it is his last tournament win and he won't be flying anywhere. As much as I love Maru/Bomber/MVP/Taeja I don't like Flash. And I don't care how good his mechanics are, I want to see entertaining games - same way I don't like watching Rain. Am I the only one or what?

Though I have to admit, that there are more boring players(Hi, Snute). Victory deserved though, he played better. The games I saw, then I turned it off. Congratz anyway


You know Flash is back on top when people are complaining about how boring he is despite him using a variety of builds to pull off exciting wins.


So true. BW LR thread nostalgia!
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
September 03 2014 05:03 GMT
#106
Go Flash. GO! DO IT! Please, for the love of you! We need this.

Flash winning Blizzcon will be the single greatest storyline of all Starcraft 2. Imagine if he does it against Jaedong in the finals... The nerd chills are real man.
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
September 03 2014 08:47 GMT
#107
On September 03 2014 13:21 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 11:13 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 02 2014 18:15 deacon.frost wrote:
As much as I want to be on the "Flash hype train" I simply cannot. He plays so boring style to watch I cannot help myself(also he has the most annoying fans there) but to hope it is his last tournament win and he won't be flying anywhere. As much as I love Maru/Bomber/MVP/Taeja I don't like Flash. And I don't care how good his mechanics are, I want to see entertaining games - same way I don't like watching Rain. Am I the only one or what?

Though I have to admit, that there are more boring players(Hi, Snute). Victory deserved though, he played better. The games I saw, then I turned it off. Congratz anyway


You know Flash is back on top when people are complaining about how boring he is despite him using a variety of builds to pull off exciting wins.


So true. BW LR thread nostalgia!


I love me some Turtle-cheese-macro-14cc-5rax-boredom
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 23:17:15
September 03 2014 23:16 GMT
#108
On September 03 2014 14:03 Kommatiazo wrote:
Go Flash. GO! DO IT! Please, for the love of you! We need this.

Flash winning Blizzcon will be the single greatest storyline of all Starcraft 2. Imagine if he does it against Jaedong in the finals... The nerd chills are real man.


With the way Jaedong plays after LoneStarClash, him reaching the finals is almost as big of a miracle as it was for Flash before IEM. But there is a solid chance Flash's success has reignited him, and I would love to have one more amazing Flash vs. Jaedong finals in SC2 to pretty much cement their legacy for the next century.
Cute
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
September 04 2014 17:16 GMT
#109
Aw yiss
orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
September 04 2014 20:02 GMT
#110
When is there gonna be a IEM Korea or DH:KOR??
Squitle-MC-Parting-Major-Polt
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
September 04 2014 20:07 GMT
#111
Can I watch the vods of this?
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
September 04 2014 20:08 GMT
#112
On September 03 2014 12:57 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 12:52 BakedButters wrote:
On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote:
It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one.

The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways.


If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken

It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.


If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases

I think it's just natural that 'balance' shifts back and forth between two races as pros keep figuring the game out more.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/466161-down-the-terran-rabbit-hole-with-liquidbunny

Bunny says the new map pool and the new patch haven't changed TvP that much.


Agreed. Just a new, strong build coming out and the winrate in a certain matchup will change significantly. Those winrates reflect balance only when they are costant for several months.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
938 Posts
September 04 2014 23:04 GMT
#113
On September 05 2014 05:02 orllyfools wrote:
When is there gonna be a IEM Korea or DH:KOR??


It would be cool.
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