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On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon.
because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though.
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On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though.
meh?
I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests.
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Northern Ireland174 Posts
Fantastic article, shame the color scheme raped my eyes!
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of course the only iem i dont get to watch flash wins T_T
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On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests.
I doubt you know better what the players feels than the players turned casters and the casters. They go to live tournaments, they talk to the players, many are the times you hear the casters knowing inside information because they talk with the players. They wouldn't say things likethat without having any basis for it, they KNOW what the players want because they talk with them, you don't.
You don't understand what the central core of sport is? Especially on the highest level, what do you think drives people like Jaedong to dedicate 90% of their lives to a sport(a game). Most times its the drive to win, the drive to be the best.
Blizzon is the pinnacle of WCS, that btw is short for WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES.
The day when professional athlets don't care about going to the world championship final is the day that sports die.
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On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests.
Tournaments at the end of the year get so stacked because of WCS points, everyone who still is in the range of getting to Blizzcon will try. It is rather easy to understand why players want to be at Blizzcon, even if you don't belief in fame. Free Money.
Congrats flash, pretty impressive always escaping elimination and then doing a sprint for 1st place.
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On September 02 2014 17:28 stargunner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote:
It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways. He doesn't use them much in TvZ, either. just really good splitting with Thor for muta. although the Thor was slightly buffed for the air targeting.
IMO the Thor buff has super significant changes in TvZ meta in favor of T. I'd argue that once Thors are out they take out the muta option and leaves Z with roach hydra as the only viable mid game, unless the map highly favors muta play.
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Dominating performance from Flash, such a treat to watch.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 02 2014 20:06 Meavis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 18:15 deacon.frost wrote:As much as I want to be on the "Flash hype train" I simply cannot. He plays so boring style to watch I cannot help myself(also he has the most annoying fans there) but to hope it is his last tournament win and he won't be flying anywhere. As much as I love Maru/Bomber/MVP/Taeja I don't like Flash. And I don't care how good his mechanics are, I want to see entertaining games - same way I don't like watching Rain. Am I the only one or what? Though I have to admit, that there are more boring players(Hi, Snute). Victory deserved though, he played better. The games I saw, then I turned it off. Congratz anyway  Flash incredible mechanics are exactly what makes his games so amazing, not because he just macro's better, no, he is able to do stuff on an entire different level of mechanics that very few can explore, doing what no other can.
Well, it doesn't make his games so amazing for me, that's for sure. When I turn off the stream because I am bored something is wrong.
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On September 02 2014 20:32 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests. I doubt you know better what the players feels than the players turned casters and the casters. They go to live tournaments, they talk to the players, many are the times you hear the casters knowing inside information because they talk with the players. They wouldn't say things likethat without having any basis for it, they KNOW what the players want because they talk with them, you don't. You don't understand what the central core of sport is? Especially on the highest level, what do you think drives people like Jaedong to dedicate 90% of their lives to a sport(a game). Most times its the drive to win, the drive to be the best. Blizzon is the pinnacle of WCS, that btw is short for WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. The day when professional athlets don't care about going to the world championship final is the day that sports die.
the fact that it is so much harder to win the GSL than blizzcon undermines the legitimacy of that tournament tough imo.
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On September 02 2014 22:10 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests. I doubt you know better what the players feels than the players turned casters and the casters. They go to live tournaments, they talk to the players, many are the times you hear the casters knowing inside information because they talk with the players. They wouldn't say things likethat without having any basis for it, they KNOW what the players want because they talk with them, you don't. You don't understand what the central core of sport is? Especially on the highest level, what do you think drives people like Jaedong to dedicate 90% of their lives to a sport(a game). Most times its the drive to win, the drive to be the best. Blizzon is the pinnacle of WCS, that btw is short for WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. The day when professional athlets don't care about going to the world championship final is the day that sports die. the fact that it is so much harder to win the GSL than blizzcon undermines the legitimacy of that tournament tough imo.
I agree to an extent. Next year should be better though, let's just wait it out and hope Blizzard lets HoTS be stable a couple more years before even thinking of releasing LoTV.
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On September 02 2014 22:10 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests. I doubt you know better what the players feels than the players turned casters and the casters. They go to live tournaments, they talk to the players, many are the times you hear the casters knowing inside information because they talk with the players. They wouldn't say things likethat without having any basis for it, they KNOW what the players want because they talk with them, you don't. You don't understand what the central core of sport is? Especially on the highest level, what do you think drives people like Jaedong to dedicate 90% of their lives to a sport(a game). Most times its the drive to win, the drive to be the best. Blizzon is the pinnacle of WCS, that btw is short for WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. The day when professional athlets don't care about going to the world championship final is the day that sports die. the fact that it is so much harder to win the GSL than blizzcon undermines the legitimacy of that tournament tough imo.
I respectfully disagree.
The reason is that in the difficulty of winning blizzcon you have to include the challenge of actually getting a ticket there, getting top 16. If we would go 1-2 years back in time you would be right, but now the foreign tournaments are also stacked with korean (and foreign) talent. Taeja, HyuN, Bomber, MC, Stardust, Innovation. Say what you want, they stand toe to toe with koreans, the recent tournaments pretty much proves that.
Look at foreigners, Snute and Bunny is on a roll, I'm not saying they are as good as top notch koreans really but they can damn well give them a run for their money. Just look at Snute in Toronto. The foreigners are rising so fast they even get their own powerrakning.
To even be able to challenge for Blizzcon you need to climb the ladders of many tough tournaments and become one of the top 16 players of the year.
GSL? You need to enter one tournament, climb your way up and win it. I'm not saying its easy, its hard as hell, GSL is insane. However try arguing that winning against the top 16 tournament winners of a whole year is easier nowadays when the foreign scene is as stacked with talent as it is is harder than you think. Your way of thinking is old, you are thinking of the scene 1-2 years back.
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On September 02 2014 12:44 Jacmert wrote:
Could Flash be the next SC2 bonjwa?
No he can't
SC2 is designed to have a big "randomness" (as Blizzard calls it) factor (see the SC2 documentary on developing and designing the races), which leads to very strong allins and therefore leads to even the best players can be knocked out by cheese (more then in BW) or allins. Allins sometimes aren't even possible to hold, even when scouted, sometimes there is only a (too) small defenders advantage. As this is on purpose, this won't change.
That also means, that you just cannot dominate over a long time anymore, because there is always the present thread of being knocked out by a coinflip strategy (I know it was in BW similar, but not the same). Some mechanics just comfort that (Soul Train in WoL, Blink allin, cannon rushes, proxy anything, DT rushes for toss, hatchblocks, early aggression or allins, busts or switches from zerg, double proxy rax from terran and many more).
I mean if you just look at how close it was that Flash got knocked out on the FIRST day of his attempt, it actually shows a well executed cheese/allin can win easily snipe the then later champion. Yeah it was the "BossToss" and he is actually not much of a lesser player but even him felt the necessarity to allin and not go macro vs flash and it worked in his favor.
Although there will be ppl here claiming that this is all wrong and I am a stupid noob, the last 4 years of SC2 just showed that "bonjwa" isn't possible anymore. MVP showed, that you can win a lot with reinventing yourself over and over again, but it was nowhere close to Flash/Jaedong levels in BroodWar, and the game is played much more to the limit now then "back then", leaving less margin for errors. Especially if it is true that Terran is the least forgiving race for errors (as some better-then-me players say), Flash will stay strong, but not dominating. Although I am a Flash fan and would wish for him proving all wrong (incloding me) that doubted him. Designing the game that one player cannot dominate over a long period of time might be an exciting thing for foreigner fans, but personally I would prefer it the other way around.
Dominating over a year is impossible - by design.
Edit: it is not called randomness factor, it is "uncertainty"
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014488/The-Game-Design-of-STARCRAFT
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At last, the greatest progamer of all time gets a title.
I'm not sure if the variance/volatility of SC2 will ever allow a true bonjwa to rise, but if one should be the first SC2 bonjwa, then it should be Flash (and I'm a hardcode SKT fan).
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Canada8158 Posts
We have good hospitality... I know that much
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On September 02 2014 22:28 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 22:10 Elroi wrote:On September 02 2014 20:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests. I doubt you know better what the players feels than the players turned casters and the casters. They go to live tournaments, they talk to the players, many are the times you hear the casters knowing inside information because they talk with the players. They wouldn't say things likethat without having any basis for it, they KNOW what the players want because they talk with them, you don't. You don't understand what the central core of sport is? Especially on the highest level, what do you think drives people like Jaedong to dedicate 90% of their lives to a sport(a game). Most times its the drive to win, the drive to be the best. Blizzon is the pinnacle of WCS, that btw is short for WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. The day when professional athlets don't care about going to the world championship final is the day that sports die. the fact that it is so much harder to win the GSL than blizzcon undermines the legitimacy of that tournament tough imo. I respectfully disagree. The reason is that in the difficulty of winning blizzcon you have to include the challenge of actually getting a ticket there, getting top 16. If we would go 1-2 years back in time you would be right, but now the foreign tournaments are also stacked with korean (and foreign) talent. Taeja, HyuN, Bomber, MC, Stardust, Innovation. Say what you want, they stand toe to toe with koreans, the recent tournaments pretty much proves that. Look at foreigners, Snute and Bunny is on a roll, I'm not saying they are as good as top notch koreans really but they can damn well give them a run for their money. Just look at Snute in Toronto. The foreigners are rising so fast they even get their own powerrakning. To even be able to challenge for Blizzcon you need to climb the ladders of many tough tournaments and become one of the top 16 players of the year. GSL? You need to enter one tournament, climb your way up and win it. I'm not saying its easy, its hard as hell, GSL is insane. However try arguing that winning against the top 16 tournament winners of a whole year is easier nowadays when the foreign scene is as stacked with talent as it is is harder than you think. Your way of thinking is old, you are thinking of the scene 1-2 years back.
Foreigners can't hold their own against top koreans, not at all in fact. "They even get their own powerranking." Well... exactly ;D. They can't get near to break into a list of 10 elite players, so we give them a pity power rank so that they don't feel too left alone.
If you think Snute taking 2 games vs Flash makes me change my mind, it's in fact the contrary. You just realize how different those players are when Flash just wins it back with 3 sharp straight games. They certainly can take games off of all players (as is possible in Starcraft after all), even series against lesser koreans, I'll give you that much, but "top koreans" are out of reach. And I don't mean, out of handsome Protosses.
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On September 02 2014 20:32 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 20:10 dust7 wrote:On September 02 2014 20:07 Meavis wrote:On September 02 2014 20:02 dust7 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why going to blizzcon is so god damn important? I've read up on the WCS system but ultimately the global finals is just another tournament with a lot of prize money. Why does it have to be brought up every other sentence? It is really tiring to hear casters and writers going on and on and on and on about blizzcon. because blizzcon is supposed to be the end all tournament and the pinacle of credibility, the WCS point system undermines this though. meh? I doubt the players care as much as the hype for this single tournament suggests. I doubt you know better what the players feels than the players turned casters and the casters. They go to live tournaments, they talk to the players, many are the times you hear the casters knowing inside information because they talk with the players. They wouldn't say things likethat without having any basis for it, they KNOW what the players want because they talk with them, you don't. You don't understand what the central core of sport is? Especially on the highest level, what do you think drives people like Jaedong to dedicate 90% of their lives to a sport(a game). Most times its the drive to win, the drive to be the best. Blizzon is the pinnacle of WCS, that btw is short for WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. The day when professional athlets don't care about going to the world championship final is the day that sports die.
There's a FIBA World Cup of basketball going on right now. The best NBA players have been pulling out left and right. Blizzcon has been undermined by their point system. GSL is still more stacked.
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