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Down the Terran Rabbit Hole with Liquid`Bunny

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Down the Terran Rabbit Hole with Liquid`Bunny

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byMeru
September 2nd, 2014 17:14 GMT

Interview with Liquid`Bunny



DISCLAIMER: Originally, this was conducted as a video interview. Due to technical problems, the audio was too poor to allow us to post this to Youtube. Instead, we transcribed what we could recover and had Bunny review the text for his approval prior to publishing.





Recently, there has been a resurgence of the Terran race in professional play. Why do you think this is?

I think that Terran players have, in general, been playing better recently. The buffs to the widow mine and the Thor have also really helped in the Terran vs Zerg matchup resulting in better Terran performance and representation.

The maps have probably made the biggest difference though. I remember a time when I would be very happy to play on overgrowth against Zerg, now however, I veto overgrowth every chance I get. This should show you just how good the new map pool is for Terran.


Has the new map pool affected the TvP matchup?

Not as much as it did the TvZ matchup. I find it’s mostly the same Terran vs Protoss still.


How have the latest buffs to Terran impacted your play?

The buffs to Terran have really helped the TvZ matchup. Mines and Thors in the matchup are much more effective.


Have the buffs changed the way you play the TvZ matchup?

Not too much. It is mostly the same thing Terran has been doing in the past with small adjustments. Before the patch, you would make mines before getting your first Thor. With the new thor however, once the tech lab finishes on your second factory, now you make the thor immediately, and that really helps.


Has the most recent buff impacted the TvP matchup?

Not too much. I do know that some players have been using the mine more since the buff. Since it does so much damage, even against colossus you can drop it and force the Protoss army to split up for defense and get some damage done.


I know that since the bonus to shields buff on the mine a while back, Protoss has stopped doing Templar openings. How has this impacted your experience of the matchup?


Since Protoss open mainly colossus now, it has become very predictable. It is good for me, it makes it easier, but it does make the matchup stale.


I undersand that Snute is your team mate and you can’t give too much away but how do you feel about Snute’s swarmhost ZvT style?


Snute’s style is very good, and I think with time, in maybe two or three months, it will be the standard. It’s just so difficult to deal with as Terran right now.


What about this style really gives Terran trouble?

It’s a very difficult composition to deal with. The mutas are very good at harassing and keeping the Terran back as well as forcing marines. At the same time, the locusts are free and will always push and trade well with the Terran army if you go for marines without tanks. It makes it very cost efficient for the Zerg and difficult for Terran.


Do you think there is a solution for Terrans regarding the “Ca$h Ho$t” style, as some have been calling it?

I haven’t been able to practice and train against it too much because I have been travelling so much lately, but I have played it a few times and spoken to Snute. I think the best option is to get a lot of bases and focus a lot on clearing creep. If you take a lot of bases it can be hard to defend against the mutalisk though, Zerg will want to stay low on the lings so still have supply for 20/30 mutas. So it is very hard. There are some timings for the Terran to do a lot of damage when the Zerg transitions from mutalisks into swarmhosts, but that is still a very difficult thing to do.


We saw Flash hit Snute during these transitions, and how powerful that can be. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I don’t think these games were a good representation of the style because Snute was already so behind when he did try to go swarmhost in most of the games. The first game is a much better example for the build than the other because in that game at the beginning, it was mostly even when the game started.


With Terran gaining some steam, we have been seeing much more TvT recently. Gas first in this matchup is very common, can you walk us through why this has become the norm?

It is very common. Too common perhaps. The gas first opening is just very very good. The builds that follow gas first are all very powerful, and it is difficult to know which one is coming. There are builds like hellion drops from one gas, two medivac drops, banshees, raven builds which are designed to break your opponent’s ramp. I like to get a reaper so that it takes away some of the guessing you have to do. If you see the second gas it changes the builds your opponent can do and makes defending a little easier. Against gas first builds even when you defend the attack, you end up even with your opponent, and not often too far ahead.


Do you think that gas first will remain standard, or will new builds come out to counter this opening?

I think it is too standard already, and there are ways to deal with it, other than going gas first as well. Today we saw Flash open fast command center against TaeJa and he was able to hold against a tank push with fast hellbats. So I do think that something like a fast command center is good because you have so much economy that you can hold the attacks of your opponent and possibly come out ahead.




We would like to take this opportunity to thank Liquid'Bunny for taking part in the interview and being very understanding of the technical issues that occurred. We would also like to thank IEM for providing us the opportunity to conduct the interview in their player space.

If you have any comments, concerns or suggestions for future releases from the Strategy team don't hesitate to let us know here, or in a PM to one of our members.



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Interview by: ZeromuS
Graphics: Meru
Editors:NovemberstOrm
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
September 02 2014 17:16 GMT
#2
Record turnaround time
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 02 2014 17:31 GMT
#3
Love that the first thing he brought up was the maps. It's really helpful having that veto slot that was always Altrezim Stronghold freed up.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
September 02 2014 17:44 GMT
#4
I agree I think the maps are so much more in favor of Terran than they used to be. Zerg is having a hard time on them. Foxtrot labs.. seriously...
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PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
September 02 2014 17:56 GMT
#5
I fully agree on the points of maps. It makes such a huge difference. Nice interview, good read
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
September 02 2014 18:09 GMT
#6
Maps + killing Templar openings have certainly helped Terrans out recently.

It's also made the early/mid game part of the matchup really boring and too f***ing predictable. Late game army control on both sides is still fun to watch, though.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 02 2014 18:15 GMT
#7
On September 03 2014 03:09 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Maps + killing Templar openings have certainly helped Terrans out recently.

It's also made the early/mid game part of the matchup really boring and too f***ing predictable. Late game army control on both sides is still fun to watch, though.

Templar openings have been dead for a long time already.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 02 2014 18:32 GMT
#8
Lol qxc at that banner picture, happy birthday Jer!
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
September 02 2014 18:33 GMT
#9
qxc is like "soon..."
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 02 2014 18:39 GMT
#10
On September 03 2014 03:09 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Maps + killing Templar openings have certainly helped Terrans out recently.

It's also made the early/mid game part of the matchup really boring and too f***ing predictable. Late game army control on both sides is still fun to watch, though.


Pre-patch Protoss had way too many options and Terrans had too few.

Now, with the Time Warp nerf weakening their all in capabilities (the Widow Mine helps with this too) and Templar openings no longer being part of the meta, the options each side has going into the mid game are a lot more even.

In a perfect world instead of stripping Protoss of their options they would've given Terran more options in the match up, but considering that would've required buffing them in ways that would've had unwanted impacts in the other two match ups it was much easier to just do what the balance team ended up doing.

Such is the price for balance.
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Meru
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States219 Posts
September 02 2014 18:39 GMT
#11
On September 03 2014 03:32 Skynx wrote:
Lol qxc at that banner picture, happy birthday Jer!


qxc be like... "why you no interview me D:"
And happy birthday Jer Tomorrow right?

Also, Fact: qxc didn't cover his mouth when he sneezed because "nothing came out" according to him...

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buchaa
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Pakistan77 Posts
September 02 2014 18:40 GMT
#12
I don't know if i'm allowed to do this... but I don't know where or who to ask... so apologies in advance.. the code s group of death is up in a couple of hours... been dying to read the preview... can't find it...
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 02 2014 18:53 GMT
#13
On September 03 2014 03:40 buchaa wrote:
I don't know if i'm allowed to do this... but I don't know where or who to ask... so apologies in advance.. the code s group of death is up in a couple of hours... been dying to read the preview... can't find it...

There is no preview yet. The LR thread is up though: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/466130-code-s-ro16-group-c-season-3-2014.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 02 2014 18:55 GMT
#14
On September 03 2014 03:40 buchaa wrote:
I don't know if i'm allowed to do this... but I don't know where or who to ask... so apologies in advance.. the code s group of death is up in a couple of hours... been dying to read the preview... can't find it...


It will be out soon!

In the future, please PM one of the editors (Zealously, lichter, DarkLordOlli) if you have questions about our event coverage instead of using unrelated threads. Thanks!
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
September 02 2014 19:40 GMT
#15
So lets see, widowmines and Thors have been making it tough for Zerg lately in ZvT. Snute comes up with a way to effectively nullify it and now Terran pros are crying imba again?
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 19:41:17
September 02 2014 19:41 GMT
#16
Nuked
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
September 02 2014 20:38 GMT
#17
On September 03 2014 04:40 ElMeanYo wrote:
So lets see, widowmines and Thors have been making it tough for Zerg lately in ZvT. Snute comes up with a way to effectively nullify it and now Terran pros are crying imba again?

Did you read a different interview than the rest of us? Nobody said anything about imba.
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1803 Posts
September 02 2014 20:49 GMT
#18
Man nothing funny was on my monitor (the one in the background with reddit open) in that picture T_T Hopefully some of the other ones will.

Good interview though! I don't think I told you that after I finished listening from behind you folks :v
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13405 Posts
September 02 2014 20:50 GMT
#19
On September 03 2014 05:49 Master of DalK wrote:
Man nothing funny was on my monitor (the one in the background with reddit open) in that picture T_T Hopefully some of the other ones will.

Good interview though! I don't think I told you that after I finished listening from behind you folks :v


It was almost exclusively OSU! or twitter/reddit all weekend, I don't think we will see much funny on there during the interviews.
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rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
September 02 2014 20:55 GMT
#20
He needs to eat more.
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