Update: Dreamhack updated the list: - Fraer is still Ukrainian - CoolTea is removed and replaced by AvaTaR - Rozhnov is actually Rose - jeysen is removed and replaced by TRUE
So, Why can't more Kaspa players play in Dreamhack? Seriously, A lot of other of Kaspa players need WCS points, who aren't playing in the Kespa cup (CJ_hERO ) .Kaspa really need change their rules on plays in other WCS events other then IEM.
Hyped for Samsung players, Life and MMA but other than that kinda meh lineup. It's still much better than what it was just a while ago with like 90% of Russian players, couple Koreans and other foreigners. Also what is that random BBoongBBoong doing there?
EDIT: Oh shit I missed BratOK is also there that's cool!
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
So, TB, You're saying their a reason why Korean Teams aren't sending players to Russia? It can't because of the war ? Is it ? I was just thinking it was just Kespa "jail" as usually.
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
Well, I didn't actually say korean teams but I did some reseach: Moscow is the first event since Bucharest to see koreans from korean team. (First number is amount of koreans) DH: moscow = 12, 4 from korean team. 2 korean team DH: valencia = 10, 0 from korean team DH: summer = 16, 0 from korean team DH: Bucharest = 17, 5 from korean team, 4 korean team
Korean teams don't usually send players to DH events. Kespa teams very rarely. So looking koreans at DH this looks very normal DH event. Also, Kespa cup is at the same time as DreamHack Moscow.
Yes, Snute really would needs some more epoints here. And this tournament offers the same points as IEM, while it has a bit weaker lineup. But still. some really good players addentending.
On September 02 2014 01:29 Grovbolle wrote: Kind of meh that players like snute can travel the circuit for a larger chance at blizzcon qualification. Makes the WCS system look bad IMO.
Everybody can go.. why should foreigners be punished because Korean teams don't send their players?
On September 02 2014 01:29 Grovbolle wrote: Kind of meh that players like snute can travel the circuit for a larger chance at blizzcon qualification. Makes the WCS system look bad IMO.
Everybody can go.. why should foreigners be punished because Korean teams don't send their players?
Not saying they can't go, but it's like the teams who can afford to send players around the world are super favoured to grab the lower spot (12-16) for blizzcon. Just my ten cents.
On September 02 2014 01:32 ProBot wrote: Is it just me? Cuz I feel like having an event in Russia with what's going on the world is extremely Distasteful and irresponsible.
total cookie don't send your players to russia. it's too dangerous. i am in fact convinced that the ones that are being sent will probably be assaulted by crazy russians who hate korean sc2 players.
On September 02 2014 01:29 Grovbolle wrote: Kind of meh that players like snute can travel the circuit for a larger chance at blizzcon qualification. Makes the WCS system look bad IMO.
Everybody can go.. why should foreigners be punished because Korean teams don't send their players?
Not saying they can't go, but it's like the teams who can afford to send players around the world are super favoured to grab the lower spot (12-16) for blizzcon. Just my ten cents.
I'm pretty sure SKT is richest than Team Liquid and they're not helping at all their players to get WCS points.
This lineup is way more impressive than what I was expecting. Not the biggest DreamHack obviously but still pretty good, I was afraid that we'd get a revival of DH Bucharest 2012.
You know, it is nice to see despite all the conflict going on, some Ukrainian players are still going. Much like the Olympics, hopefully this tournament can be a unifying force.
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
Well, I didn't actually say korean teams but I did some reseach: Moscow is the first event since Bucharest to see koreans from korean team. (First number is amount of koreans) DH: moscow = 12, 4 from korean team. 2 korean team DH: valencia = 10, 0 from korean team DH: summer = 16, 0 from korean team DH: Bucharest = 17, 5 from korean team, 4 korean team
Korean teams don't usually send players to DH events. Kespa teams very rarely. So looking koreans at DH this looks very normal DH event. Also, Kespa cup is at the same time as DreamHack Moscow.
If the schedule doesn't conflict with the Kespa Cup, I will watch Dreamhack for Samsung Galaxy Khan. Other than Samsung, there really aren't any notable players to watch it for. :D
On September 02 2014 01:50 Bagration wrote: You know, it is nice to see despite all the conflict going on, some Ukrainian players are still going. Much like the Olympics, hopefully this tournament can be a unifying force.
Ukraine may not really want to 'unify' as much as Russia
On September 02 2014 00:44 Integra wrote: Due to the events happening with Russia right now I will not watch this Dreamhack.
The only thing that will hurt is Dreamhack, not the Russian government, its not like they were involved. So you want to hurt DHboss and esport? Its DH Moscow not DH Putin.
On September 02 2014 01:50 Bagration wrote: You know, it is nice to see despite all the conflict going on, some Ukrainian players are still going. Much like the Olympics, hopefully this tournament can be a unifying force.
Ukraine may not really want to 'unify' as much as Russia
3 Samsung players,life and few noticeables not the most impressive lineup but still better than the apocalyptic expectations people had :/ lets just hope there is no war by the time DH comes
On September 02 2014 00:44 Integra wrote: Due to the events happening with Russia right now I will not watch this Dreamhack.
The only thing that will hurt is Dreamhack, not the Russian government, its not like they were involved. So you want to hurt DHboss and esport? Its DH Moscow not DH Putin.
You are doing it wrong. You should say "Killing Esports", not "Hurting Esport"
On September 01 2014 23:55 will216 wrote: So, Why can't more Kaspa players play in Dreamhack? Seriously, A lot of other of Kaspa players need WCS points, who aren't playing in the Kaspa cup (CJ_hERO ) .Kaspa really need change their rules on plays in other WCS events other then IEM.
Damn if only kespa cup wasn't at the same time, flash could have farmed wcs points easy here with that lineup. Of course no guaranteed kt would send flash, but this is one of the easiest as far as wcs points go.
On September 02 2014 00:44 Integra wrote: Due to the events happening with Russia right now I will not watch this Dreamhack.
The only thing that will hurt is Dreamhack, not the Russian government, its not like they were involved. So you want to hurt DHboss and esport? Its DH Moscow not DH Putin.
I disagree with this almost completely. It's not like this conflict hasn't been going on for the whole year, it could have been postponed or moved. Any local revenue made from this is going to go back into the community and that's something I morally can't support. Someone Mentioned supporting E-Sports at all costs ... that's a very naive statement to make, E-Sports is something that brings people together and promotes friendship, fair play and honesty. These are all qualities that the Kremlin is basically shitting on right now. So clearly the best thing to do is throw our dirty e-sports money at them .... makes sense :/
On September 02 2014 02:36 Zealously wrote: Oh cool Life will win
You said that last time.
Anyways wooo Solar! Finally get to see Solar play in foreign event! And Dear too!
Yes, and he got a lot closer than most people expected. Remember those people who said he'd struggle to make it out of the open bracket? Yeah, about that...
On September 02 2014 03:04 dashpar wrote: If your traveling from eastern Europe I hope you stay safe.
man, it's when i read post like yours that i realize that the propaganda campaign works on both sides (russians are brainwashed by putin / state TV) and americans (and to some extent a lot of europeans) are also brain washed by western media TV propaganda (and i say this, having lived more than half of my life in California, and even less in Russia)
there is absolutely nothing to be worried about visiting russia, no matter where you come from and especially from eastern ukraine. perhaps you don't know this but russians and ukrainians are deeply bonded (and this is part of why there this shit conflict going on) tons of russians have families back in ukraine and vice-versa. just 3 weeks ago two friends from ukraine were visiting moscow, traveling and using around their ukrainian passport. do you think anything happened? guess what.. it did not. what do you think it'd happen ? rofl.. someone be like "YO HE'S FROM UKRAINE!" and then beat him?
whether or not you agree that DH should be held in russia, this is a different discussion on which i have my opinion, but saying dramatic sentences like "stay safe if you're traveling from eastern europe" is simply laughable. i understand it's not your fault because you only have one point of view which is the one that they vomit on CNN/ABC/FOX etc. and highly likely that you have never even been to either ukraine, russia or the whole eastern europe.
i hope snute can show some sick ZvP without the use of the cashhosts like vs sOs.. and I also hope MMA/Life will do very well.
On September 02 2014 03:43 Nebuchad wrote: I will watch it at least on mute to show support cause I dislike the way this tournament has been treated so far.
On September 02 2014 03:04 dashpar wrote: If your traveling from eastern Europe I hope you stay safe.
man, it's when i read post like yours that i realize that the propaganda campaign works on both sides (russians are brainwashed by putin / state TV) and americans (and to some extent a lot of europeans) are also brain washed by western media TV propaganda (and i say this, having lived more than half of my life in California, and even less in Russia)
there is absolutely nothing to be worried about visiting russia, no matter where you come from and especially from eastern ukraine. perhaps you don't know this but russians and ukrainians are deeply bonded (and this is part of why there this shit conflict going on) tons of russians have families back in ukraine and vice-versa. just 3 weeks ago two friends from ukraine were visiting moscow, traveling and using around their ukrainian passport. do you think anything happened? guess what.. it did not. what do you think it'd happen ? rofl.. someone be like "YO HE'S FROM UKRAINE!" and then beat him?
whether or not you agree that DH should be held in russia, this is a different discussion on which i have my opinion, but saying dramatic sentences like "stay safe if you're traveling from eastern europe" is simply laughable. i understand it's not your fault because you only have one point of view which is the one that they vomit on CNN/ABC/FOX etc. and highly likely that you have never even been to either ukraine, russia or the whole eastern europe.
i hope snute can show some sick ZvP without the use of the cashhosts like vs sOs.. and I also hope MMA/Life will do very well.
News is all about the negatives: politics, injustices, transgressions, not things like culture unfortunately. And I think some people are thinking that all Ukrainians are on one side and Russians on the other.
On September 02 2014 03:43 Nebuchad wrote: I will watch it at least on mute to show support cause I dislike the way this tournament has been treated so far.
That's some brave commitment
Kespa cup is pretty good, I wouldn't want to miss that either :/
On September 02 2014 03:04 dashpar wrote: If your traveling from eastern Europe I hope you stay safe.
man, it's when i read post like yours that i realize that the propaganda campaign works on both sides (russians are brainwashed by putin / state TV) and americans (and to some extent a lot of europeans) are also brain washed by western media TV propaganda (and i say this, having lived more than half of my life in California, and even less in Russia)
there is absolutely nothing to be worried about visiting russia, no matter where you come from and especially from eastern ukraine...
You can't be serious. Russia and Ukraine are in the middle of a very dangerous conflict. People are shooting and killing each other, a passenger plane was shot down not too long ago in addition to other fighter jets...and you're saying that when someone cautions people to stay safe he/she must be brainwashed?? There is an armed rebellion, it is perfectly reasonable to advise caution. At least I'm hoping you're not implying that the rebellion somehow is not occurring because even RT is not that extreme.
He never said that Ukrainians are being beaten as soon as they cross the border, but if you happen to be travelling through or near that area it is a warzone and its reasonable to take some precautions (if necessary). To be frank we don't really know what the situation is in Russia itself, but I wouldn't trust Russian media for a second. I would also caution people to take a safe route and try to steer clear of any protests.
On September 02 2014 00:44 Integra wrote: Due to the events happening with Russia right now I will not watch this Dreamhack.
The only thing that will hurt is Dreamhack, not the Russian government, its not like they were involved. So you want to hurt DHboss and esport? Its DH Moscow not DH Putin.
*thumbs up* Please no politics in SC2. Cheer for Russian Players as before, they have nothing to do with IT. I hope twitch-Chat will not got crazy if f.e. bly plays bratOK, or KAS against Happy....
Imho the Lineup ist ok. I will watch it. Its DH, its SC2, its good! =)
On September 02 2014 03:04 dashpar wrote: If your traveling from eastern Europe I hope you stay safe.
man, it's when i read post like yours that i realize that the propaganda campaign works on both sides (russians are brainwashed by putin / state TV) and americans (and to some extent a lot of europeans) are also brain washed by western media TV propaganda (and i say this, having lived more than half of my life in California, and even less in Russia)
there is absolutely nothing to be worried about visiting russia, no matter where you come from and especially from eastern ukraine. perhaps you don't know this but russians and ukrainians are deeply bonded (and this is part of why there this shit conflict going on) tons of russians have families back in ukraine and vice-versa. just 3 weeks ago two friends from ukraine were visiting moscow, traveling and using around their ukrainian passport. do you think anything happened? guess what.. it did not. what do you think it'd happen ? rofl.. someone be like "YO HE'S FROM UKRAINE!" and then beat him?
whether or not you agree that DH should be held in russia, this is a different discussion on which i have my opinion, but saying dramatic sentences like "stay safe if you're traveling from eastern europe" is simply laughable. i understand it's not your fault because you only have one point of view which is the one that they vomit on CNN/ABC/FOX etc. and highly likely that you have never even been to either ukraine, russia or the whole eastern europe.
Thank you... (but dont forget the malaysian airways plane)
I guess HerO isn't going to try to make Blizzcon unless he gets like a 2nd place finish in WCS America with all the people still in the running to break the top 16. I'll be keeping up with who else is going to go
On September 02 2014 03:04 dashpar wrote: If your traveling from eastern Europe I hope you stay safe.
man, it's when i read post like yours that i realize that the propaganda campaign works on both sides (russians are brainwashed by putin / state TV) and americans (and to some extent a lot of europeans) are also brain washed by western media TV propaganda (and i say this, having lived more than half of my life in California, and even less in Russia)
there is absolutely nothing to be worried about visiting russia, no matter where you come from and especially from eastern ukraine...
You can't be serious. Russia and Ukraine are in the middle of a very dangerous conflict. People are shooting and killing each other, a passenger plane was shot down not too long ago in addition to other fighter jets...and you're saying that when someone cautions people to stay safe he/she must be brainwashed?? There is an armed rebellion, it is perfectly reasonable to advise caution. At least I'm hoping you're not implying that the rebellion somehow is not occurring because even RT is not that extreme.
He never said that Ukrainians are being beaten as soon as they cross the border, but if you happen to be travelling through or near that area it is a warzone and its reasonable to take some precautions (if necessary). To be frank we don't really know what the situation is in Russia itself, but I wouldn't trust Russian media for a second. I would also caution people to take a safe route and try to steer clear of any protests.
"people are shooting and killing each other" yeah, in a relatively small area in eastern ukraine at the moment. not in moscow, nowhere in russia and not even in western ukraine. i think you may wanna read what i wrote again.
yeah his comment was clearly from someone who has not a very objective point of view. arguably, you can say to "stay safe" anytime, in fact, there's nothing wrong with that- even my grandma would say that to me everytime i go out. but you don't read "stay safe" or "be careful" on forums when people travel to IEM toronto, IEM china or DH bucharest. the only reason why he wrote it, is because he thinks russia right now is dangerous, and this is far from truth - and that's why his comment falls under the "slightly or entirely brainwashed" US citizens.
i've been staying in moscow since feb of this year, i will leave again around december- but it's a beautiful city as i remembered it. people are nice and there's tons of tourists everywhere (especially now that its summer) especially from europe and china. it's completely safe to travel from freaking anywhere. stop with the nonsense
On September 02 2014 03:04 dashpar wrote: If your traveling from eastern Europe I hope you stay safe.
man, it's when i read post like yours that i realize that the propaganda campaign works on both sides (russians are brainwashed by putin / state TV) and americans (and to some extent a lot of europeans) are also brain washed by western media TV propaganda (and i say this, having lived more than half of my life in California, and even less in Russia)
there is absolutely nothing to be worried about visiting russia, no matter where you come from and especially from eastern ukraine...
You can't be serious. Russia and Ukraine are in the middle of a very dangerous conflict. People are shooting and killing each other, a passenger plane was shot down not too long ago in addition to other fighter jets...and you're saying that when someone cautions people to stay safe he/she must be brainwashed?? There is an armed rebellion, it is perfectly reasonable to advise caution. At least I'm hoping you're not implying that the rebellion somehow is not occurring because even RT is not that extreme.
He never said that Ukrainians are being beaten as soon as they cross the border, but if you happen to be travelling through or near that area it is a warzone and its reasonable to take some precautions (if necessary). To be frank we don't really know what the situation is in Russia itself, but I wouldn't trust Russian media for a second. I would also caution people to take a safe route and try to steer clear of any protests.
"people are shooting and killing each other" yeah, in a relatively small area in eastern ukraine at the moment. not in moscow, nowhere in russia and not even in western ukraine. i think you may wanna read what i wrote again.
yeah his comment was clearly from someone who has not a very objective point of view. arguably, you can say to "stay safe" anytime, in fact, there's nothing wrong with that- even my grandma would say that to me everytime i go out. but you don't read "stay safe" or "be careful" on forums when people travel to IEM toronto, IEM china or DH bucharest. the only reason why he wrote it, is because he thinks russia right now is dangerous, and this is far from truth - and that's why his comment falls under the "slightly or entirely brainwashed" US citizens.
i've been staying in moscow since feb of this year, i will leave again around december- but it's a beautiful city as i remembered it. people are nice and there's tons of tourists everywhere (especially now that its summer) especially from europe and china. it's completely safe to travel from freaking anywhere. stop with the nonsense
Maybe he's confused about the geography of the Ukrainian-Russian border, how strict the border is right now, or whether the plane would be flying over conflict area (which would be stupid).
Lot of KeSPA this time around which adds to the player quality. And I'm still surprised HyuN is attending every tournament around, Roccat must want then airline points.
A good list, not quite as stacked as stacked as the recent IEM, but I am not sure there will ever be a tournie outside Korea so stacked again. Not sure about the fear mongering over Moscow. As far as I know the trouble is the Russia-Ukraine border, which is quite some distance from Moscow. Sending players to events that have been held in the last year in places like Sao Paulo and Detroit is probably more dangerous.
On September 02 2014 04:47 Swift118 wrote: A good list, not quite as stacked as stacked as the recent IEM, but I am not sure there will ever be a tournie outside Korea so stacked again.
On September 02 2014 05:05 Divinesia wrote: After IEM this feels like B-tournament lineup lol... :D
It is a B-tournament.
What is it about Samsung Galaxy Kahn that they'll send players to international tournaments when other KeSPA teams won't? Is it because their title sponsor is an international brand?
On September 02 2014 05:05 Divinesia wrote: After IEM this feels like B-tournament lineup lol... :D
It is a B-tournament.
What is it about Samsung Galaxy Kahn that they'll send players to international tournaments when other KeSPA teams won't? Is it because their title sponsor is an international brand?
I would guess that is so. Samsung is a lot more international than CJ, SKT, KT or Jin Air, who are very Korea-centric.
On September 02 2014 04:47 Swift118 wrote: A good list, not quite as stacked as stacked as the recent IEM, but I am not sure there will ever be a tournie outside Korea so stacked again. Not sure about the fear mongering over Moscow. As far as I know the trouble is the Russia-Ukraine border, which is quite some distance from Moscow. Sending players to events that have been held in the last year in places like Sao Paulo and Detroit is probably more dangerous.
Actually Detroit isn't that bad. Just nobody really live there.
On September 02 2014 02:36 Zealously wrote: Oh cool Life will win
You said that last time.
Anyways wooo Solar! Finally get to see Solar play in foreign event! And Dear too!
Yes, and he got a lot closer than most people expected. Remember those people who said he'd struggle to make it out of the open bracket? Yeah, about that...
You're actually right, Life does have a very nice chance at this tournament :D
You boycott the event wich is not connected with politics by any means. But you don't care. I would say you are nazi. Maybe this word is too strong, but I can't find a more appropriate word. It's not about Putin or whatever, you just hate the Russian if you boycott this tournament. Do you think that russian ppl are guilty or responsable for what's going on in Ukraine? In general. It would be silly. Well, hate, if you want, but, please, don't talk like "I won't watch it because..", don't be hypocrite.
Winning Chances YoDa has a ~ 11.06 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 12.31 % to ~ 16.62 % Life has a ~ 9.11 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 99.76 % to ~ 100 % HyuN has a ~ 9.06 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % Solar has a ~ 8.01 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 8.08 % to ~ 19.39 % Dear has a ~ 7.41 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.28 % to ~ 2.55 % + Show Spoiler [More] +
Snute has a ~ 6.88 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 37.6 % to ~ 99.92 % First has a ~ 5.89 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.05 % to ~ 0.65 % Patience has a ~ 5.57 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.06 % Happy has a ~ 5.14 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 1.23 % to ~ 4.4 % MMA has a ~ 5.07 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 19.37 % to ~ 67.83 % Golden has a ~ 3.68 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 2.58 % to ~ 5.35 % Welmu has a ~ 2.68 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 4.01 % to ~ 12.79 % TargA has a ~ 2.46 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Stork has a ~ 2.29 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.01 % Bly has a ~ 2.16 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.03 % to ~ 0.55 % Daisy has a ~ 2.12 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.01 % Kas has a ~ 1.81 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.02 % to ~ 0.51 % Serral has a ~ 1.75 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.02 % to ~ 0.42 % elfi has a ~ 1.7 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Oz has a ~ 1.4 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.02 % to ~ 0.67 % BBoongBBoong has a ~ 1.35 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Socke has a ~ 0.84 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % LiveZerg has a ~ 0.8 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % sLivko has a ~ 0.58 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Brat_OK has a ~ 0.39 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % fraer has a ~ 0.37 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Adonminus has a ~ 0.15 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Revolver has a ~ 0.1 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % CoolTea has a ~ 0.06 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
Winning Gains Snute would gain ~ 62.32 % if they win, with a ~ 6.88 % chance to win, going from ~ 37.6 % to ~ 99.92 % MMA would gain ~ 48.46 % if they win, with a ~ 5.07 % chance to win, going from ~ 19.37 % to ~ 67.83 % Solar would gain ~ 11.31 % if they win, with a ~ 8.01 % chance to win, going from ~ 8.08 % to ~ 19.39 % Welmu would gain ~ 8.79 % if they win, with a ~ 2.68 % chance to win, going from ~ 4.01 % to ~ 12.79 % YoDa would gain ~ 4.32 % if they win, with a ~ 11.06 % chance to win, going from ~ 12.31 % to ~ 16.62 % + Show Spoiler [More] +
Happy would gain ~ 3.17 % if they win, with a ~ 5.14 % chance to win, going from ~ 1.23 % to ~ 4.4 % Golden would gain ~ 2.76 % if they win, with a ~ 3.68 % chance to win, going from ~ 2.58 % to ~ 5.35 % Dear would gain ~ 2.26 % if they win, with a ~ 7.41 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.28 % to ~ 2.55 % Oz would gain ~ 0.65 % if they win, with a ~ 1.4 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.02 % to ~ 0.67 % First would gain ~ 0.6 % if they win, with a ~ 5.89 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.05 % to ~ 0.65 % Bly would gain ~ 0.53 % if they win, with a ~ 2.16 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.03 % to ~ 0.55 % Kas would gain ~ 0.49 % if they win, with a ~ 1.81 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.02 % to ~ 0.51 % Serral would gain ~ 0.4 % if they win, with a ~ 1.75 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.02 % to ~ 0.42 % Life would gain ~ 0.24 % if they win, with a ~ 9.11 % chance to win, going from ~ 99.76 % to ~ 100 % Patience would gain ~ 0.05 % if they win, with a ~ 5.57 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.06 % Stork would gain ~ 0.01 % if they win, with a ~ 2.29 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.01 % Daisy would gain ~ 0.01 % if they win, with a ~ 2.12 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.01 % CoolTea would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.06 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Revolver would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.1 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Adonminus would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.15 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % fraer would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.37 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Brat_OK would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.39 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % sLivko would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.58 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % LiveZerg would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.8 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Socke would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 0.84 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % BBoongBBoong would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 1.35 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % elfi would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 1.7 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % HyuN would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 9.06 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % TargA would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 2.46 % chance to win, going from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
On September 01 2014 23:55 will216 wrote: So, Why can't more Kaspa players play in Dreamhack? Seriously, A lot of other of Kaspa players need WCS points, who aren't playing in the Kespa cup (CJ_hERO ) .Kaspa really need change their rules on plays in other WCS events other then IEM.
On September 02 2014 04:30 PhoenixVoid wrote: Lot of KeSPA this time around which adds to the player quality. And I'm still surprised HyuN is attending every tournament around, Roccat must want then airline points.
lol airline points....Airline Points Predictor? ROCCAT has a ~ 90.12 % chance to get 14 free flights this year?
Depending on bracket luck, Snute has a great chance of going deep. I have a hunch that if his Blizzcon participation didn't depend on it, TL would boycott the event entirely as well. The current geo political situation where Russia bullies Ukraine and shoot down airliners and assigning blame is not the issue, it is the manifestation of the state of affairs in that country on a larger scale... It is the rampant homo and xenophobia that is backed up by the Putin administration that is real and existing threat in Moscow. Russians from the eastern part of the country get attacked on the streets, even though they are the citizens of the same country and speak Russian they happen to look too Asian for some tastes. Of course a bunch of Russian SC fans are not gonna assault the Samsung Khan team in their dressing room. It's everything that's outside of the event that matters.
Alright Life time to get the 100% for Blizzcon! Cool that Samsung is coming. Them/Life/B4/Snute the ones that are going to keep this one interesting for me
On September 02 2014 06:20 Darkhorse wrote: Alright Life time to get the 100% for Blizzcon! Cool that Samsung is coming. Them/Life/B4/Snute the ones that are going to keep this one interesting for me
he needs a 1st or 2nd to secure 100%, a 4th place here would only put him at ~99.99985%
On September 02 2014 06:20 Darkhorse wrote: Alright Life time to get the 100% for Blizzcon! Cool that Samsung is coming. Them/Life/B4/Snute the ones that are going to keep this one interesting for me
he needs a 1st or 2nd to secure 100%, a 4th place here would only put him at ~99.99985%
Even with a 99.99985% a will sweat it out all the way until November. Better just lock down first Life :D
On September 02 2014 05:52 mortales wrote: You boycott the event wich is not connected with politics by any means. But you don't care. I would say you are nazi. Maybe this word is too strong, but I can't find a more appropriate word. It's not about Putin or whatever, you just hate the Russian if you boycott this tournament. Do you think that russian ppl are guilty or responsable for what's going on in Ukraine? In general. It would be silly. Well, hate, if you want, but, please, don't talk like "I won't watch it because..", don't be hypocrite.
a nazi? for real? if you watch the event it means you support dreamhack holding the event there. i think dreamhack can find a better place for their event, so im not watching. bottom line.
On September 02 2014 06:20 Darkhorse wrote: Alright Life time to get the 100% for Blizzcon! Cool that Samsung is coming. Them/Life/B4/Snute the ones that are going to keep this one interesting for me
he needs a 1st or 2nd to secure 100%, a 4th place here would only put him at ~99.99985%
Even with a 99.99985% a will sweat it out all the way until November. Better just lock down first Life :D
I remember last year when Mvp was over 99% for like the longest time lol
With the KeSPA cup being held at the same time I'm going to choose to watch the event with the best players in the lineup, which is clearly the KeSPA cup.
On September 02 2014 05:52 mortales wrote: You boycott the event wich is not connected with politics by any means. But you don't care. I would say you are nazi. Maybe this word is too strong, but I can't find a more appropriate word. It's not about Putin or whatever, you just hate the Russian if you boycott this tournament. Do you think that russian ppl are guilty or responsable for what's going on in Ukraine? In general. It would be silly. Well, hate, if you want, but, please, don't talk like "I won't watch it because..", don't be hypocrite.
a nazi? for real? if you watch the event it means you support dreamhack holding the event there. i think dreamhack can find a better place for their event, so im not watching. bottom line.
This is what I am talking about. Olympic games or World Football cup always settle in favorable countries? Oh, come on. You cannot be true even with yourself.
On September 02 2014 06:16 d_runk wrote: Depending on bracket luck, Snute has a great chance of going deep. I have a hunch that if his Blizzcon participation didn't depend on it, TL would boycott the event entirely as well. The current geo political situation where Russia bullies Ukraine and shoot down airliners and assigning blame is not the issue, it is the manifestation of the state of affairs in that country on a larger scale... It is the rampant homo and xenophobia that is backed up by the Putin administration that is real and existing threat in Moscow. Russians from the eastern part of the country get attacked on the streets, even though they are the citizens of the same country and speak Russian they happen to look too Asian for some tastes. Of course a bunch of Russian SC fans are not gonna assault the Samsung Khan team in their dressing room. It's everything that's outside of the event that matters.
lol "rampant homo and xenophobia" that you have never seen, probably only heard on CNN. please stop spreading bullshit and lies. Russians from eastern part of the country that get attacked.. lol. Sure it happens once every once in a while, just like in the US kind of often, some white guys beat up or shoot a black teenager. Isolated accidents always occur. Hate exists everywhere, depicting Russia as a whole as dangerous for that it's stupid. That's like saying "Don't go to the U.S., the rampant firearm violence is out of control". Is it true that the US has hundreds of cases more than any other nation? yes. Would you ever tell someone to don't go for that? No yo wouldn't. Please think twice before you write stuff that has 0 coherency.
Russia, and especially Moscow is totally fine and safe for foreigners, and especially for an event like DH.
Update: Dreamhack updated the list: - Fraer is still Ukrainian - CoolTea is removed and replaced by AvaTaR - Rozhnov is actually Rose - jeysen is removed and replaced by TRUE
On September 02 2014 05:52 mortales wrote: You boycott the event wich is not connected with politics by any means. But you don't care. I would say you are nazi. Maybe this word is too strong, but I can't find a more appropriate word. It's not about Putin or whatever, you just hate the Russian if you boycott this tournament. Do you think that russian ppl are guilty or responsable for what's going on in Ukraine? In general. It would be silly. Well, hate, if you want, but, please, don't talk like "I won't watch it because..", don't be hypocrite.
a nazi? for real? if you watch the event it means you support dreamhack holding the event there. i think dreamhack can find a better place for their event, so im not watching. bottom line.
This is what I am talking about. Olympic games or World Football cup always settle in favorable countries? Oh, come on. You cannot be true even with yourself.
i didnt watch either of those events for the same reasons im not watching this one.
On September 02 2014 07:30 Yhamm wrote: Update: Dreamhack updated the list: - Fraer is still Ukrainian - CoolTea is removed and replaced by AvaTaR - Rozhnov is actually Rose - jeysen is removed and replaced by TRUE
TRUE :o
Also Fraer, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
Well, I didn't actually say korean teams but I did some reseach: Moscow is the first event since Bucharest to see koreans from korean team. (First number is amount of koreans) DH: moscow = 12, 4 from korean team. 2 korean team DH: valencia = 10, 0 from korean team DH: summer = 16, 0 from korean team DH: Bucharest = 17, 5 from korean team, 4 korean team
Korean teams don't usually send players to DH events. Kespa teams very rarely. So looking koreans at DH this looks very normal DH event. Also, Kespa cup is at the same time as DreamHack Moscow.
TB is silent, fact checking hardcore
I was busying working.
His fact checking is completely irrelevant. His statement was that "Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/". This is factually false, see list of teams. Only mistake on my end was biting on an obvious troll. End of discussion.
On September 02 2014 00:44 Integra wrote: Due to the events happening with Russia right now I will not watch this Dreamhack.
The only thing that will hurt is Dreamhack, not the Russian government, its not like they were involved. So you want to hurt DHboss and esport? Its DH Moscow not DH Putin.
Not saying I agree, but that's the point of these sort of boycotts. You're not directly putting pressure on the Russian government. Noone believes Putin will give 2 shits about e-sports, the point is to "pressure" Dreamhack in staying out of Russia by making it unfavorable for them to go there.
The larger picture being that you pressure foreign/international organisations into not investing, by doing that you hurt the local businesses, ie the people, by keeping foreign money out of the economy and hope that the pissed off people will put pressure on their government for change. Same thing with the Olympic boycott (such as it was), that was meant to pressure the Olympic Comittee, not Putin directly.
Snute, Targa and Socke the brave NATO representitives
But seriously why would you not watch this because of Putins actions... Dreamhack is about the pleasure of gaming. Through gaming you get into contact with people all over the world, and you notice we are all pretty much the same. Political games played by warmongering people in charge have nothing to do with our videogames played by normal gamers.
Pretty good Korean show up as well. Life going to take this! First vs Life rematch would be fun.
On September 02 2014 10:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: But seriously why would you not watch this because of Putins actions... Dreamhack is about the pleasure of gaming.
like the poster above you, im not making a direct statement of my personal beliefs on this particular issue, but here's why.
the #1 thing people in positions of political authority need to count on in order to get away with something is that the populace wants to keep the status quo and enjoy their pleasures and entertainments and comforts. being fans of SC2 is a comfort we take for granted as citizens of relatively free and prosperous nations. by denying ourselves that comfort to prove a point, we send the message that we care about events in other parts of the world happening to people we don't know, enough so that we will deprive ourselves and impact our own daily lives in a show of solidarity.
does this work? complicated question, who knows. are people right to protest? not really a question i'm trying to answer. but is it a valid course of action? of course it is. discarding as useless or out of touch the protests of those who are privileged and/or not direct victims of an issue is a way of marginalizing that issue. why would you ever reject a moral statement of any kind just because it's not singlehandedly going to solve an entire crisis? this reminds me of people criticizing TL for gay/lesbian pride banners and ice bucket challenges yet universally praising the TB top hat. so it's OK to support one person who's active in the community but it's not OK to support entire populations of people who are discriminated against?
the "right" opinions on the ukraine/russia debacle are above my level of geopolitical knowledge, but please don't malign the concept of peaceful protest and boycott just because you want to feel OK about your entertainment habits.
On September 02 2014 07:30 Yhamm wrote: Update: Dreamhack updated the list: - Fraer is still Ukrainian - CoolTea is removed and replaced by AvaTaR - Rozhnov is actually Rose - jeysen is removed and replaced by TRUE
TRUE :o
Also Fraer, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time
Looks alot better than initially feared. And Snute, cmon Blizzcon man! :D
EDIT:
My 2cents about any boicotts or the current sanctions against Russia: Did Russia put in place sanctions against the west for bombing Libya for no good reason? No, I am still pretty furious that the Norwegian air forces were active in that operation. That country went from pretty stable and safe to the complete chaos it is today in large part due to the actions of the west, time to get off our high horses.
PS: I am in no way supporting Putins politics, but the west is not the one to talk.
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
KT SKT Jin Air CJ
These brands are more local, there isn't much business value to send their players out. That's why Samsung does.
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
KT SKT Jin Air CJ
These brands are more local, there isn't much business value to send their players out. That's why Samsung does.
I'm pretty sure there was some value in KT sending Flash to win IEM Canada .
On September 01 2014 23:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like koreans doesnt fear to go to Russia except Axiom :/
You'd have to be pretty blind to say that no other Korean teams aren't sending players except for us. The majority of Korean teams are not sending players.
KT SKT1 Axiom Jin Air Prime MVP CJ Entus IM (well, Lucky..)
have all not sent players.
The only Korean teams to send players are Startale and Samsung Galaxy Khan.
So hey, next time you make a post, try fact checking it.
KT SKT Jin Air CJ
These brands are more local, there isn't much business value to send their players out. That's why Samsung does.
I'm pretty sure there was some value in KT sending Flash to win IEM Canada .
Finnish players surely have a great chance in Moscow to make some name for themselves. Despite all the negative comments at least I'm really interested see how Moscow handles a major event like DH.
On September 02 2014 17:59 Koivusto wrote: Finnish players surely have a great chance in Moscow to make some name for themselves. Despite all the negative comments at least I'm really interested see how Moscow handles a major event like DH.
On September 02 2014 12:11 Holloworb wrote: Looks alot better than initially feared. And Snute, cmon Blizzcon man! :D
EDIT:
My 2cents about any boicotts or the current sanctions against Russia: Did Russia put in place sanctions against the west for bombing Libya for no good reason? No, I am still pretty furious that the Norwegian air forces were active in that operation. That country went from pretty stable and safe to the complete chaos it is today in large part due to the actions of the west, time to get off our high horses.
PS: I am in no way supporting Putins politics, but the west is not the one to talk.
... Again I'm not saying the invasion in Libya was the ideal solution, but it was a good deal more complex than "no good reason." The country already was unstable. There already was a civil war going on, due to a civilian uprising against Kadafi's dictatorship which he was suppressing *very* violently and bloodily. This was the whole reason for the UN intervention.
It also wasn't just "The West". The UN Security Council resolution that was used as a basis for intervention was proposed by, among others, Lebanon, supported by Nigeria, Gabon, Colombia, ... and Qatar forces were part of the armed forces that carried out the airstrikes. Noone opposed. Not even Russia.
I just feel, that if you have such strong opinions on something, you could do with informing yourself. Things are hardly ever simple black and white in international politics.
On September 02 2014 12:11 Holloworb wrote: Looks alot better than initially feared. And Snute, cmon Blizzcon man! :D
EDIT:
My 2cents about any boicotts or the current sanctions against Russia: Did Russia put in place sanctions against the west for bombing Libya for no good reason? No, I am still pretty furious that the Norwegian air forces were active in that operation. That country went from pretty stable and safe to the complete chaos it is today in large part due to the actions of the west, time to get off our high horses.
PS: I am in no way supporting Putins politics, but the west is not the one to talk.
... Again I'm not saying the invasion in Libya was the ideal solution, but it was a good deal more complex than "no good reason." The country already was unstable. There already was a civil war going on, due to a civilian uprising against Kadafi's dictatorship which he was suppressing *very* violently and bloodily. This was the whole reason for the UN intervention.
It also wasn't just "The West". The UN Security Council resolution that was used as a basis for intervention was proposed by, among others, Lebanon, supported by Nigeria, Gabon, Colombia, ... and Qatar forces were part of the armed forces that carried out the airstrikes. Noone opposed. Not even Russia.
I just feel, that if you have such strong opinions on something, you could do with informing yourself. Things are hardly ever simple black and white in international politics.
Although Putin surely tries his best to make matters black and white. I wonder if "boycotting" DH: Moscow will make russian esport scene more separate and supportive of Putin or more angry on him because of it - somehow I feel the former.
On September 02 2014 17:59 Koivusto wrote: Finnish players surely have a great chance in Moscow to make some name for themselves. Despite all the negative comments at least I'm really interested see how Moscow handles a major event like DH.
Ditto.
Pleasantly surprised at the Finnish lineup. Hopefully they'll thrive each other to great things.
On September 02 2014 19:10 Corsica wrote: im disgusted that my countrymen are going there...
At the end of the day it's a job, a tournament like this because of the controversy doesn't have the strongest lineup therefore those players are more likely to win it's also not far to travel so it's cheap and good exposure for their teams/sponsors. It's a business at the end of the day.
On September 02 2014 22:28 Krogan wrote: Really strange decision to get to Russia in the current political climate and considering it's illegal to be gay there.
Ye, apparently, that's why i just saw 2 lesbians marrying each other under my windows.
Russian and Ukrainian friends and will always be friends. Policy is not the people. War for their enrichment (for example, see United States). And gays do not like, both in Ukraine and in Russia, probably because we have a beautiful girl. So, a real man - Welcome. We are waiting for good games from the Koreans and Snute. ^^
On September 02 2014 22:51 Neonavt wrote: Russian and Ukrainian friends and will always be friends. Policy is not the people. War for their enrichment (for example, see United States). And gays do not like, both in Ukraine and in Russia, probably because we have a beautiful girl. So, a real man - Welcome. We are waiting for good games from the Koreans and Snute. ^^
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On September 02 2014 22:28 Krogan wrote: Really strange decision to get to Russia in the current political climate and considering it's illegal to be gay there.
This isn't like awarding Russia the Olympics or anything. It's a low profile esports tournament that Putin is probably unaware of. Last I checked LAN festivals haven't been sanctioned yet, so this seems kosher to me. France selling Russia warships on the other hand...
On September 03 2014 01:06 Advantageous wrote: Wow I have never seen this many Russians in 1 tournament :O.
Allot of people refused to travel to Russia so they had no other choice really.
Other than canceling event, that is.
I was talking about their possible options to replace all the Russian player with none Russian players and I can't see how cancelling the event will help that particular problem.
On September 03 2014 01:06 Advantageous wrote: Wow I have never seen this many Russians in 1 tournament :O.
Allot of people refused to travel to Russia so they had no other choice really.
Other than canceling event, that is.
I was talking about their possible options to replace all the Russian player with none Russian players and I can't see how cancelling the event will help that particular problem.
Lol, that's some real xenophobia here.
It's not like stage 1 of every DH but Winter one isn't filled with locals.
On September 03 2014 01:06 Advantageous wrote: Wow I have never seen this many Russians in 1 tournament :O.
Allot of people refused to travel to Russia so they had no other choice really.
Valencia had 47 spanish player , Summer had 29 swedish player and Moscow have 37 russian player. There are always alot players from homecountry. But yeah, quite few europeans in Moscow.
On September 02 2014 06:16 d_runk wrote: Depending on bracket luck, Snute has a great chance of going deep. I have a hunch that if his Blizzcon participation didn't depend on it, TL would boycott the event entirely as well. The current geo political situation where Russia bullies Ukraine and shoot down airliners and assigning blame is not the issue, it is the manifestation of the state of affairs in that country on a larger scale... It is the rampant homo and xenophobia that is backed up by the Putin administration that is real and existing threat in Moscow. Russians from the eastern part of the country get attacked on the streets, even though they are the citizens of the same country and speak Russian they happen to look too Asian for some tastes. Of course a bunch of Russian SC fans are not gonna assault the Samsung Khan team in their dressing room. It's everything that's outside of the event that matters.
lol "rampant homo and xenophobia" that you have never seen, probably only heard on CNN. please stop spreading bullshit and lies. Russians from eastern part of the country that get attacked.. lol. Sure it happens once every once in a while, just like in the US kind of often, some white guys beat up or shoot a black teenager. Isolated accidents always occur. Hate exists everywhere, depicting Russia as a whole as dangerous for that it's stupid. That's like saying "Don't go to the U.S., the rampant firearm violence is out of control". Is it true that the US has hundreds of cases more than any other nation? yes. Would you ever tell someone to don't go for that? No yo wouldn't. Please think twice before you write stuff that has 0 coherency.
Russia, and especially Moscow is totally fine and safe for foreigners, and especially for an event like DH.
I tried not to generalize, I also stated that it would be pretty stupid to asume Dreamhack itself would be unsafe for anyone. Yes, homophobia in russia has been in the spotlight of western media and that might have sensationalised the issue, butthis guardian article seems to have hard facts. Does russia have events where gay people can be out in the open (eg. Pride parade)? Would a visiting gay couple be able to safely stroll around Moscow hand-in-hand without being verbally abused? I am not being ironic, I geniunely don't know and would like a Russian opinion.
On September 02 2014 06:16 d_runk wrote: Depending on bracket luck, Snute has a great chance of going deep. I have a hunch that if his Blizzcon participation didn't depend on it, TL would boycott the event entirely as well. The current geo political situation where Russia bullies Ukraine and shoot down airliners and assigning blame is not the issue, it is the manifestation of the state of affairs in that country on a larger scale... It is the rampant homo and xenophobia that is backed up by the Putin administration that is real and existing threat in Moscow. Russians from the eastern part of the country get attacked on the streets, even though they are the citizens of the same country and speak Russian they happen to look too Asian for some tastes. Of course a bunch of Russian SC fans are not gonna assault the Samsung Khan team in their dressing room. It's everything that's outside of the event that matters.
lol "rampant homo and xenophobia" that you have never seen, probably only heard on CNN. please stop spreading bullshit and lies. Russians from eastern part of the country that get attacked.. lol. Sure it happens once every once in a while, just like in the US kind of often, some white guys beat up or shoot a black teenager. Isolated accidents always occur. Hate exists everywhere, depicting Russia as a whole as dangerous for that it's stupid. That's like saying "Don't go to the U.S., the rampant firearm violence is out of control". Is it true that the US has hundreds of cases more than any other nation? yes. Would you ever tell someone to don't go for that? No yo wouldn't. Please think twice before you write stuff that has 0 coherency.
Russia, and especially Moscow is totally fine and safe for foreigners, and especially for an event like DH.
I tried not to generalize, I also stated that it would be pretty stupid to asume Dreamhack itself would be unsafe for anyone. Yes, homophobia in russia has been in the spotlight of western media and that might have sensationalised the issue, butthis guardian article seems to have hard facts. Does russia have events where gay people can be out in the open (eg. Pride parade)? Would a visiting gay couple be able to safely stroll around Moscow hand-in-hand without being verbally abused? I am not being ironic, I geniunely don't know and would like a Russian opinion.
Retards can be everywhere, it's absolute generalization. In general - noone will touch you, it's not like anyone cares if you're not hitting some religious fanboys ofc, who just cancelled Manson's concert, rofl. But they're despised by almost everyone, so it's pretty safe. And you can safely marry same gender as well, noone can stop you either.
Westerners are just getting hyped and calling out Russia for "anti-gay" just because there is one hilarious law about not showing porn and gay-propaganda to children. But it doesn't affect anyone either as we all know, if you want to watch porn as a child, you will watch it anyway.
For parade, idk but at least, when a lot of meetings were happening, LGBT column was staying right near me and noone ever touched them but only treated as part of meeting.
Ohboy, sometimes i really think that we get what we deserve with such quality posters.
On September 02 2014 06:16 d_runk wrote: Depending on bracket luck, Snute has a great chance of going deep. I have a hunch that if his Blizzcon participation didn't depend on it, TL would boycott the event entirely as well. The current geo political situation where Russia bullies Ukraine and shoot down airliners and assigning blame is not the issue, it is the manifestation of the state of affairs in that country on a larger scale... It is the rampant homo and xenophobia that is backed up by the Putin administration that is real and existing threat in Moscow. Russians from the eastern part of the country get attacked on the streets, even though they are the citizens of the same country and speak Russian they happen to look too Asian for some tastes. Of course a bunch of Russian SC fans are not gonna assault the Samsung Khan team in their dressing room. It's everything that's outside of the event that matters.
lol "rampant homo and xenophobia" that you have never seen, probably only heard on CNN. please stop spreading bullshit and lies. Russians from eastern part of the country that get attacked.. lol. Sure it happens once every once in a while, just like in the US kind of often, some white guys beat up or shoot a black teenager. Isolated accidents always occur. Hate exists everywhere, depicting Russia as a whole as dangerous for that it's stupid. That's like saying "Don't go to the U.S., the rampant firearm violence is out of control". Is it true that the US has hundreds of cases more than any other nation? yes. Would you ever tell someone to don't go for that? No yo wouldn't. Please think twice before you write stuff that has 0 coherency.
Russia, and especially Moscow is totally fine and safe for foreigners, and especially for an event like DH.
I tried not to generalize, I also stated that it would be pretty stupid to asume Dreamhack itself would be unsafe for anyone. Yes, homophobia in russia has been in the spotlight of western media and that might have sensationalised the issue, butthis guardian article seems to have hard facts. Does russia have events where gay people can be out in the open (eg. Pride parade)? Would a visiting gay couple be able to safely stroll around Moscow hand-in-hand without being verbally abused? I am not being ironic, I geniunely don't know and would like a Russian opinion.
Look I don't have anything against you in particular, I want to point out how what you say, in my opinion is silly and I will explain you why.
To answer your last part, it truly depends when/where, like location wise (what city, what area) - of course in some areas it might be way more dangerous than others. but then I want you to think again, as someone who has lived a great amount of time in the US (in fact, more than I lived in Russia), and visited central / south US, shit that goes on there is pretty intense. Some places are SUPER racist, when i went from a black friend of mine from LA the lady told us to get out of the store because she didn't want "niggers" inside her facility. My friend was constantly in fear of being attacked and the faces of other white people looking at him where fucking scary, even myself being white and going around with him. In lots of US states racism is a huge issue and to the same extent, it is being openly gay and homosexual. Try to do the things you described in Alabama, Tennesse, Georgia etc. etc. and see what happens. I will tell you what, you get fucking beat up real bad. REAL BAD
The problem that I have with people commenting on this Russian thing is that all of a sudden everyone cares about homophobia, racism etc. and other things that happen in a TON of other places, but they are not under the spotlight just because it's not part of the US agenda to make it so and that's when all of a sudden you are silly in my eyes.
Keep in mind Obama is the one that said a while ago that he had "no more patience for Putin's views on gays", (during the Olympics thing) the same Obama who a week later said that the friendship is strong between US and Saudi Arabia, where being gay is ACTUALLY illegal (unlike Russia) and where you actually get executed for being one.
But everyone goes to vacation to Dubai, just like everyone goes to vacation EVERYWHERE else, and it doesn't concern them in the slightest that in a ton of US states you get lynched for being gay (or black) - Would you ever hear someone boycotting something in the US because of some states? Keep in mind that the ""liberal"" and most advanced part of the US is actually the minority of the states (mostly west and east coasts) the other states in the middle are pretty damn bad.
Look at Total Biscuit who tries to be a badass saying he doesn't support this this or that pretending to stand up to some social / ethical values all of a sudden - against Russia - when he in fact, for instance, should have never sent people to China then, a country that has FAR worst humane records than Russia under every aspect. Civil rights, civil freedom, censorship, dictatorship (no elections), mass executions of prisoners with no trial (even higher than US). I have visited China multiple times and the shit I have seen there is insane. There is no freedom and homosexuals have a far worst destiny if they get caught. China is a super close ally of North Korea too- did you ever hear some other clown say anything about not sending their players there? No. Why? Because atm China is not under fire from US media so no one thinks of it. Russia has been under fire because they have had a lot of tensions growing. Putin took Snowedn, then US started a media campaign on russia's homophobia, and it kept going on and on until the recent crisis broke. And now it's at the most high point of climax with this whole anti-Russian thing.
Lastly, I want to tell you that in general in WHOLE eastern europe, the views are still very conservative as opposed to more "western" EU states like germany, france etc. so even in Ukraine, or Poland, Hungary etc. there is strong overall racism 'feel' towards black and darker people- and also a general underlaying homophobia based again, on area/location in particular , I have myself witness probably the harshest episode of homophobia when on vacation in Warsaw where I was hosted by a friend who studies there. So I think the whole eastern europe, just like middle-america, has a lot of work to do when it comes down to being more mentally open, but then, from here - to boycott, trying to make a whole country look so black and white like the media does is just stupid. Moscow is overall, just as safe as other big European capitals. Overall safe, in busy areas/subways one must be careful to pickpocketing etc. , DH is hosted in a central area and the players won't have any particular issues.
What about xenophobia/racism in Korea ? To link politic and (e)sport is just stupid in general. I hope it will be a great event, and good luck to all the participants.
On September 02 2014 06:16 d_runk wrote: Depending on bracket luck, Snute has a great chance of going deep. I have a hunch that if his Blizzcon participation didn't depend on it, TL would boycott the event entirely as well. The current geo political situation where Russia bullies Ukraine and shoot down airliners and assigning blame is not the issue, it is the manifestation of the state of affairs in that country on a larger scale... It is the rampant homo and xenophobia that is backed up by the Putin administration that is real and existing threat in Moscow. Russians from the eastern part of the country get attacked on the streets, even though they are the citizens of the same country and speak Russian they happen to look too Asian for some tastes. Of course a bunch of Russian SC fans are not gonna assault the Samsung Khan team in their dressing room. It's everything that's outside of the event that matters.
lol "rampant homo and xenophobia" that you have never seen, probably only heard on CNN. please stop spreading bullshit and lies. Russians from eastern part of the country that get attacked.. lol. Sure it happens once every once in a while, just like in the US kind of often, some white guys beat up or shoot a black teenager. Isolated accidents always occur. Hate exists everywhere, depicting Russia as a whole as dangerous for that it's stupid. That's like saying "Don't go to the U.S., the rampant firearm violence is out of control". Is it true that the US has hundreds of cases more than any other nation? yes. Would you ever tell someone to don't go for that? No yo wouldn't. Please think twice before you write stuff that has 0 coherency.
Russia, and especially Moscow is totally fine and safe for foreigners, and especially for an event like DH.
I tried not to generalize, I also stated that it would be pretty stupid to asume Dreamhack itself would be unsafe for anyone. Yes, homophobia in russia has been in the spotlight of western media and that might have sensationalised the issue, butthis guardian article seems to have hard facts. Does russia have events where gay people can be out in the open (eg. Pride parade)? Would a visiting gay couple be able to safely stroll around Moscow hand-in-hand without being verbally abused? I am not being ironic, I geniunely don't know and would like a Russian opinion.
Lastly, I want to tell you that in general in WHOLE eastern europe, the views are still very conservative as opposed to more "western" EU states like germany, france etc. so even in Ukraine, or Poland, Hungary etc. there is strong overall racism 'feel' towards black and darker people- and also a general underlaying homophobia based again, on area/location in particular
in Poland it's true gays have a hard time, but not due to government regulations, more because of the stupidity of certain, non government civilian individuals. In Russia I believe it's both, government AND the people making it a hard time for homosexual people.
Is this even still happening? With all the security warnings issued for Americans and Europeans about flying to Russia, Middle East and other regions in global conflict right now and with these regions. It's pretty scary right now and things are getting worse globally.
How safe is this event going to be for spectators and players alike? It is a big concern of mine, very scary times, seems like most Americans don't even know whats going on in the world.
On September 08 2014 19:42 LingBlingBling wrote: Is this even still happening? With all the security warnings issued for Americans and Europeans about flying to Russia, Middle East and other regions in global conflict right now and with these regions. It's pretty scary right now and things are getting worse globally.
How safe is this event going to be for spectators and players alike? It is a big concern of mine, very scary times, seems like most Americans don't even know whats going on in the world.
My sides hurt when i read your paragraph. Well i guess i can't blame you since it seems you don't get to travel a lot. As someone who moves everywhere all the time i can guarantee you that moscow will be 100% safe for the players, don't worry about that.The only danger they may face would be some random evil deeds that happens in pretty much any other major city all over the world.
With all the security warnings issued for Americans and Europeans about flying to Russia,
If i had got a dollar every time i went to a place that was warned by UE or USA...
You guys don't realize that even Sevastopol who was the heart of the conflict is actually quite a quiet city now (been there a week ago...)
On September 08 2014 19:42 LingBlingBling wrote: Is this even still happening? With all the security warnings issued for Americans and Europeans about flying to Russia, Middle East and other regions in global conflict right now and with these regions. It's pretty scary right now and things are getting worse globally.
How safe is this event going to be for spectators and players alike? It is a big concern of mine, very scary times, seems like most Americans don't even know whats going on in the world.
My sides hurt when i read your paragraph. Well i guess i can't blame you since it seems you don't get to travel a lot. As someone who moves everywhere all the time i can guarantee you that moscow will be 100% safe for the players, don't worry about that.The only danger they may face would be some random evil deeds that happens in pretty much any other major city all over the world.
With all the security warnings issued for Americans and Europeans about flying to Russia,
If i had got a dollar every time i went to a place that was warned by UE or USA...
You guys don't realize that even Sevastopol who was the heart of the conflict is actually quite a quiet city now (been there a week ago...)
the media always reports the extremes, the russians live in moscow just like any modern city. It will be just fine, I have no worries at all going there. I think there is too much talk about security/conflicts, and we should look forward to this great event!
You guys really think samsung sent their player because of popularity? Nah~ SKT is more biggest game team and than KT. Actually samsung doesnt support sc2 game team as much as skt and kt. SKT support sc2 team 1 million dollars a year. And they receive 500 dollar when they win 1game in proleague. Bisu's year salary was three hundred thousand dollars. So you guys really kespa team dont send players because of money problem?
Socke announced in the Donkey Gaming Podcast that he will not attend because he will not receive his visa in time. The clerk that worked on it went on vacation and nobody seemed to take over.
Group C is really weird. 3 really good players and at the same time there are groups where is only 1 "good" player and rest are "never heard of/nonames" names. Bad seeding by DH
EPT
Esselta 
Hotspur
Imaginary Gaming 
7x 
EnigmA
Happy
Easy
Ludasha
CoolTea
Acer 
Newrosoft 
Punchline! 
XMG 
Acer 
Cascade 
and elfi has good "team" PekkaPekka 
expected more than this...
