• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:10
CEST 00:10
KST 07:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event5Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9
Community News
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 194Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4
StarCraft 2
General
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again" uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
StarCon Philadelphia ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 652 users

C&C F2P developer now leading SC2 - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
244 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 13 Next All
Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
August 15 2014 20:10 GMT
#161
Sounds like LOTV will land somewhere near 2020 T_T
Don Jimbo
Profile Joined August 2014
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 20:29:47
August 15 2014 20:28 GMT
#162
Blizzard should hire Bruce Shelley. The Age of Empires games were so much fun.
When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
August 15 2014 20:32 GMT
#163
As long as hed does not transfer any EA Sales and Marketing ideas to Blizzard it's okay (Get siege tank DLC only 9.99$)
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
August 15 2014 20:34 GMT
#164
C&C Generals was the best C&C game ever made and the only one, that had an interesting multiplayer mode. So this might be a good thing... might.
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1974 Posts
August 15 2014 20:36 GMT
#165
On August 16 2014 04:11 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 03:41 pNRG wrote:
Nothing helped D3...


D3 is WAAAY better now than it used to be o-o


Way better does not mean its actually good...
Total Annihilation Zero
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1974 Posts
August 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#166
On August 16 2014 05:34 TeeTS wrote:
C&C Generals was the best C&C game ever made and the only one, that had an interesting multiplayer mode. So this might be a good thing... might.


This guy was not working on Generals. He was working on Generals 2 the Pay2Win abomination. To be honest i enjoyed playing it during the beta, but it turned out to be a imbalanced and bugged pay2win game. The preferred working on monetization instead of fixing bugs and imbalances (in fact they even made the balance worse with every new pay2win faction commander they added).
Total Annihilation Zero
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
August 15 2014 20:45 GMT
#167
Can't get worse than it already is, it's worth giving a chance to someone new.
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 21:11:33
August 15 2014 21:05 GMT
#168
On August 15 2014 10:25 KiF1rE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 09:58 KelianQatar wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:
C&C was sub-par and never even close to balanced.

This is a very very bad thing.


As a ConquerCup.com admin I can say RA3 was close to balanced. Balance depended mainly on the maps. We held over 100 competitive events and gave away thousands of dollars in prizes.

Kane's Wrath was also close to balanced. A very knowledgeable C&C expert level player Technique posts here occasionally and if you'd like to have a debate with him claiming Kane's Wrath was imbalanced and unplayable due to lack of balance.. gl with it

over all EALA was pretty good, EALA's top guy for RA3 Greg Black is working on LotV as well


the same greg black that said something along the lines of pro players play too fast? -.- david kim is 1000 times better than greg black. and kanes wrath had 9 factions and only 2 were winning any major tournaments at all. when you have players changing factions just because that faction was terrible left and right you have an issue...


Kane's Wrath was only like that for one patch. At this point, and for the last few years Kane's Wrath is as well balanced as any other C&C game made.. inluding RA3 which is fairly well balanced

http://www.cncsaga.de/1469-interview-with-greg-black.htm

Greg Black provides some good insight into life at EALA making RTS games.

He did a nice job of ignoring Avilo's hissy fits about how underpowered the Allies were in RA3 and how Vindicators were going to become suicide bombers after they were nerfed

Vindicators continued to be viable after their nerf and never became the suicide bombers Avilo whined about.

Greg Black did a solid job.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 15 2014 21:23 GMT
#169
On August 16 2014 05:09 Scandral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 04:38 Moley42 wrote:
On August 16 2014 04:27 Clbull wrote:
On August 16 2014 01:02 Nuka wrote:
All you retards acting like starcraft will drastically change please shut up

User was banned for this post.

Oh, I'm positive the game will drastically change; it has to in order to address the concerns of the playerbase.

Which wont happen. Blizzard have proven themselves useless time and time again.


Diablo 3 dramatically changed in light of community driven feedback after it broke sales records, there is no real reason to think SC2 wouldn't. HotS was a weird case because SC2 was doing really well when it entered beta, which wasn't nearly enough time for them to really do some reworking.


Poll: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad) (48)
 
71%

yes, this new guy will be a great improvement (11)
 
16%

no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game (9)
 
13%

68 total votes

Your vote: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

(Vote): yes, this new guy will be a great improvement
(Vote): no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game
(Vote): meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad)

scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 15 2014 21:43 GMT
#170
On August 16 2014 06:23 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 05:09 Scandral wrote:
On August 16 2014 04:38 Moley42 wrote:
On August 16 2014 04:27 Clbull wrote:
On August 16 2014 01:02 Nuka wrote:
All you retards acting like starcraft will drastically change please shut up

User was banned for this post.

Oh, I'm positive the game will drastically change; it has to in order to address the concerns of the playerbase.

Which wont happen. Blizzard have proven themselves useless time and time again.


Diablo 3 dramatically changed in light of community driven feedback after it broke sales records, there is no real reason to think SC2 wouldn't. HotS was a weird case because SC2 was doing really well when it entered beta, which wasn't nearly enough time for them to really do some reworking.


Poll: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad) (48)
 
71%

yes, this new guy will be a great improvement (11)
 
16%

no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game (9)
 
13%

68 total votes

Your vote: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

(Vote): yes, this new guy will be a great improvement
(Vote): no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game
(Vote): meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad)


We don't even know what is his job...
Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
August 15 2014 21:56 GMT
#171
Im going with Faust852 here. Why are people putting up useless polls and some are making comments ala: "Cant get worse than it is" ? He is a PRODUCER not a DESIGNER.

On August 16 2014 06:05 KelianQatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 10:25 KiF1rE wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:58 KelianQatar wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:
C&C was sub-par and never even close to balanced.

This is a very very bad thing.


As a ConquerCup.com admin I can say RA3 was close to balanced. Balance depended mainly on the maps. We held over 100 competitive events and gave away thousands of dollars in prizes.

Kane's Wrath was also close to balanced. A very knowledgeable C&C expert level player Technique posts here occasionally and if you'd like to have a debate with him claiming Kane's Wrath was imbalanced and unplayable due to lack of balance.. gl with it

over all EALA was pretty good, EALA's top guy for RA3 Greg Black is working on LotV as well


the same greg black that said something along the lines of pro players play too fast? -.- david kim is 1000 times better than greg black. and kanes wrath had 9 factions and only 2 were winning any major tournaments at all. when you have players changing factions just because that faction was terrible left and right you have an issue...


Kane's Wrath was only like that for one patch. At this point, and for the last few years Kane's Wrath is as well balanced as any other C&C game made.. inluding RA3 which is fairly well balanced

http://www.cncsaga.de/1469-interview-with-greg-black.htm

Greg Black provides some good insight into life at EALA making RTS games.

He did a nice job of ignoring Avilo's hissy fits about how underpowered the Allies were in RA3 and how Vindicators were going to become suicide bombers after they were nerfed

Vindicators continued to be viable after their nerf and never became the suicide bombers Avilo whined about.

Greg Black did a solid job.

I agree Greg Black did a solid job but RA 3 was far from balanced. Especially at the end when they made Empire and Allies OP as hell and left Soviets UP(I wont get too much into detail here. One example is that Sov units were way overpriced and too expensive). RA 3 had a time similar to SC 2 where the game was in a really bad state. And lol at David Kim is doing a better job. He is far away from that. Dustin Browder is a great Designer but the execution from DK balancing the units is suboptimal.
Extreme Force
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
August 15 2014 22:41 GMT
#172
SC2 can't get worse. This is good news.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
August 15 2014 22:49 GMT
#173
Can't be any worse than the other C&C dev to work on sc2.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 15 2014 22:58 GMT
#174
On August 16 2014 07:41 BisuDagger wrote:
SC2 can't get worse. This is good news.


Cool exaggeration bro. You're not a BW elitist or anything right?
Sweedums
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
August 15 2014 23:16 GMT
#175
He's a producer, most likely won't have any input whatsoever when it comes to the design, after all, that's what designers are for.

Getting worked up over this is like getting worked up over the announcement of a new art director, and then saying the game is now going to be really buggy and unstable. Two completely separate disciplines, especially in a team the size that Blizzard have.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 15 2014 23:18 GMT
#176
I don't know what a "Lead Game Producer" actually does but SC2 can not get enough new blood. The only way is up i suppose.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
August 15 2014 23:29 GMT
#177
New blood could be good.. sad that yet again they focussed on "previous RTS experience" from lesser titles.
Hopefully he can change some fundamentals and isn't just there to build a better warhound....
我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 15 2014 23:41 GMT
#178
On August 16 2014 08:29 mostevil wrote:
New blood could be good.. sad that yet again they focussed on "previous RTS experience" from lesser titles.
Hopefully he can change some fundamentals and isn't just there to build a better warhound....

To be fair, are there really any better titles than Starcraft or Warcraft?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 15 2014 23:50 GMT
#179
On August 16 2014 07:41 BisuDagger wrote:
SC2 can't get worse. This is good news.


Get a grip dude. I seem to remember you saying that you don't even play SC2, but rather BW. That is all dandy, but anyone who have played this game since release will agree, that SC2 in its current form is no where near as bad as it has been.

As to whether this is a good or a bad thing, i have no idea, but my guess is that SC2 will experience a spike when LotV is released, but then continue to decline, just as it is happening now - and just how every other game has its time.
Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 23:54:13
August 15 2014 23:52 GMT
#180
Man TL turned into a massive trollfest. I asked why people say "Cant get any worse". Two people after me make a post: "Cant get any worse"...
With people being in super dick mode like this, this forum is slowly turning into Bnet forums. Do people really have this much fun annoying other users? Sometimes I hate the Internet.
Extreme Force
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
[BSL 2025] Weekly
18:00
#9
ZZZero.O89
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 166
Vindicta 150
ProTech27
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2955
Artosis 1189
EffOrt 310
ggaemo 119
Dewaltoss 107
ZZZero.O 89
yabsab 40
sas.Sziky 34
MaD[AoV]27
Terrorterran 5
Stormgate
JuggernautJason268
Dota 2
Dendi1798
Pyrionflax336
monkeys_forever206
NeuroSwarm66
PGG 51
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby3419
JimRising 384
Counter-Strike
fl0m3129
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor337
Other Games
tarik_tv20317
summit1g10451
gofns10158
kaitlyn42
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1376
StarCraft 2
angryscii 36
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 33
• davetesta19
• RyuSc2 16
• tFFMrPink 11
• Adnapsc2 9
• Kozan
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21957
• Ler77
League of Legends
• Doublelift4393
Other Games
• imaqtpie1492
• Scarra176
• Shiphtur163
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
11h 50m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16h 50m
Wardi Open
1d 12h
RotterdaM Event
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Online Event
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.