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Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
August 15 2014 20:10 GMT
#161
Sounds like LOTV will land somewhere near 2020 T_T
Don Jimbo
Profile Joined August 2014
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 20:29:47
August 15 2014 20:28 GMT
#162
Blizzard should hire Bruce Shelley. The Age of Empires games were so much fun.
When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
August 15 2014 20:32 GMT
#163
As long as hed does not transfer any EA Sales and Marketing ideas to Blizzard it's okay (Get siege tank DLC only 9.99$)
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
August 15 2014 20:34 GMT
#164
C&C Generals was the best C&C game ever made and the only one, that had an interesting multiplayer mode. So this might be a good thing... might.
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1982 Posts
August 15 2014 20:36 GMT
#165
On August 16 2014 04:11 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 03:41 pNRG wrote:
Nothing helped D3...


D3 is WAAAY better now than it used to be o-o


Way better does not mean its actually good...
Total Annihilation Zero
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1982 Posts
August 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#166
On August 16 2014 05:34 TeeTS wrote:
C&C Generals was the best C&C game ever made and the only one, that had an interesting multiplayer mode. So this might be a good thing... might.


This guy was not working on Generals. He was working on Generals 2 the Pay2Win abomination. To be honest i enjoyed playing it during the beta, but it turned out to be a imbalanced and bugged pay2win game. The preferred working on monetization instead of fixing bugs and imbalances (in fact they even made the balance worse with every new pay2win faction commander they added).
Total Annihilation Zero
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
August 15 2014 20:45 GMT
#167
Can't get worse than it already is, it's worth giving a chance to someone new.
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 21:11:33
August 15 2014 21:05 GMT
#168
On August 15 2014 10:25 KiF1rE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 09:58 KelianQatar wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:
C&C was sub-par and never even close to balanced.

This is a very very bad thing.


As a ConquerCup.com admin I can say RA3 was close to balanced. Balance depended mainly on the maps. We held over 100 competitive events and gave away thousands of dollars in prizes.

Kane's Wrath was also close to balanced. A very knowledgeable C&C expert level player Technique posts here occasionally and if you'd like to have a debate with him claiming Kane's Wrath was imbalanced and unplayable due to lack of balance.. gl with it

over all EALA was pretty good, EALA's top guy for RA3 Greg Black is working on LotV as well


the same greg black that said something along the lines of pro players play too fast? -.- david kim is 1000 times better than greg black. and kanes wrath had 9 factions and only 2 were winning any major tournaments at all. when you have players changing factions just because that faction was terrible left and right you have an issue...


Kane's Wrath was only like that for one patch. At this point, and for the last few years Kane's Wrath is as well balanced as any other C&C game made.. inluding RA3 which is fairly well balanced

http://www.cncsaga.de/1469-interview-with-greg-black.htm

Greg Black provides some good insight into life at EALA making RTS games.

He did a nice job of ignoring Avilo's hissy fits about how underpowered the Allies were in RA3 and how Vindicators were going to become suicide bombers after they were nerfed

Vindicators continued to be viable after their nerf and never became the suicide bombers Avilo whined about.

Greg Black did a solid job.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 15 2014 21:23 GMT
#169
On August 16 2014 05:09 Scandral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 04:38 Moley42 wrote:
On August 16 2014 04:27 Clbull wrote:
On August 16 2014 01:02 Nuka wrote:
All you retards acting like starcraft will drastically change please shut up

User was banned for this post.

Oh, I'm positive the game will drastically change; it has to in order to address the concerns of the playerbase.

Which wont happen. Blizzard have proven themselves useless time and time again.


Diablo 3 dramatically changed in light of community driven feedback after it broke sales records, there is no real reason to think SC2 wouldn't. HotS was a weird case because SC2 was doing really well when it entered beta, which wasn't nearly enough time for them to really do some reworking.


Poll: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad) (48)
 
71%

yes, this new guy will be a great improvement (11)
 
16%

no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game (9)
 
13%

68 total votes

Your vote: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

(Vote): yes, this new guy will be a great improvement
(Vote): no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game
(Vote): meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad)

scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 15 2014 21:43 GMT
#170
On August 16 2014 06:23 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 05:09 Scandral wrote:
On August 16 2014 04:38 Moley42 wrote:
On August 16 2014 04:27 Clbull wrote:
On August 16 2014 01:02 Nuka wrote:
All you retards acting like starcraft will drastically change please shut up

User was banned for this post.

Oh, I'm positive the game will drastically change; it has to in order to address the concerns of the playerbase.

Which wont happen. Blizzard have proven themselves useless time and time again.


Diablo 3 dramatically changed in light of community driven feedback after it broke sales records, there is no real reason to think SC2 wouldn't. HotS was a weird case because SC2 was doing really well when it entered beta, which wasn't nearly enough time for them to really do some reworking.


Poll: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad) (48)
 
71%

yes, this new guy will be a great improvement (11)
 
16%

no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game (9)
 
13%

68 total votes

Your vote: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out?

(Vote): yes, this new guy will be a great improvement
(Vote): no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game
(Vote): meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad)


We don't even know what is his job...
Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
August 15 2014 21:56 GMT
#171
Im going with Faust852 here. Why are people putting up useless polls and some are making comments ala: "Cant get worse than it is" ? He is a PRODUCER not a DESIGNER.

On August 16 2014 06:05 KelianQatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 10:25 KiF1rE wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:58 KelianQatar wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:
C&C was sub-par and never even close to balanced.

This is a very very bad thing.


As a ConquerCup.com admin I can say RA3 was close to balanced. Balance depended mainly on the maps. We held over 100 competitive events and gave away thousands of dollars in prizes.

Kane's Wrath was also close to balanced. A very knowledgeable C&C expert level player Technique posts here occasionally and if you'd like to have a debate with him claiming Kane's Wrath was imbalanced and unplayable due to lack of balance.. gl with it

over all EALA was pretty good, EALA's top guy for RA3 Greg Black is working on LotV as well


the same greg black that said something along the lines of pro players play too fast? -.- david kim is 1000 times better than greg black. and kanes wrath had 9 factions and only 2 were winning any major tournaments at all. when you have players changing factions just because that faction was terrible left and right you have an issue...


Kane's Wrath was only like that for one patch. At this point, and for the last few years Kane's Wrath is as well balanced as any other C&C game made.. inluding RA3 which is fairly well balanced

http://www.cncsaga.de/1469-interview-with-greg-black.htm

Greg Black provides some good insight into life at EALA making RTS games.

He did a nice job of ignoring Avilo's hissy fits about how underpowered the Allies were in RA3 and how Vindicators were going to become suicide bombers after they were nerfed

Vindicators continued to be viable after their nerf and never became the suicide bombers Avilo whined about.

Greg Black did a solid job.

I agree Greg Black did a solid job but RA 3 was far from balanced. Especially at the end when they made Empire and Allies OP as hell and left Soviets UP(I wont get too much into detail here. One example is that Sov units were way overpriced and too expensive). RA 3 had a time similar to SC 2 where the game was in a really bad state. And lol at David Kim is doing a better job. He is far away from that. Dustin Browder is a great Designer but the execution from DK balancing the units is suboptimal.
Extreme Force
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19400 Posts
August 15 2014 22:41 GMT
#172
SC2 can't get worse. This is good news.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
August 15 2014 22:49 GMT
#173
Can't be any worse than the other C&C dev to work on sc2.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 15 2014 22:58 GMT
#174
On August 16 2014 07:41 BisuDagger wrote:
SC2 can't get worse. This is good news.


Cool exaggeration bro. You're not a BW elitist or anything right?
Sweedums
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
August 15 2014 23:16 GMT
#175
He's a producer, most likely won't have any input whatsoever when it comes to the design, after all, that's what designers are for.

Getting worked up over this is like getting worked up over the announcement of a new art director, and then saying the game is now going to be really buggy and unstable. Two completely separate disciplines, especially in a team the size that Blizzard have.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 15 2014 23:18 GMT
#176
I don't know what a "Lead Game Producer" actually does but SC2 can not get enough new blood. The only way is up i suppose.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
August 15 2014 23:29 GMT
#177
New blood could be good.. sad that yet again they focussed on "previous RTS experience" from lesser titles.
Hopefully he can change some fundamentals and isn't just there to build a better warhound....
我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 15 2014 23:41 GMT
#178
On August 16 2014 08:29 mostevil wrote:
New blood could be good.. sad that yet again they focussed on "previous RTS experience" from lesser titles.
Hopefully he can change some fundamentals and isn't just there to build a better warhound....

To be fair, are there really any better titles than Starcraft or Warcraft?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 15 2014 23:50 GMT
#179
On August 16 2014 07:41 BisuDagger wrote:
SC2 can't get worse. This is good news.


Get a grip dude. I seem to remember you saying that you don't even play SC2, but rather BW. That is all dandy, but anyone who have played this game since release will agree, that SC2 in its current form is no where near as bad as it has been.

As to whether this is a good or a bad thing, i have no idea, but my guess is that SC2 will experience a spike when LotV is released, but then continue to decline, just as it is happening now - and just how every other game has its time.
Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 23:54:13
August 15 2014 23:52 GMT
#180
Man TL turned into a massive trollfest. I asked why people say "Cant get any worse". Two people after me make a post: "Cant get any worse"...
With people being in super dick mode like this, this forum is slowly turning into Bnet forums. Do people really have this much fun annoying other users? Sometimes I hate the Internet.
Extreme Force
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