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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On August 16 2014 08:50 Prog455 wrote: that is all dandy, but anyone who have played this game since release will agree, that SC2 in its current form is no where near as bad as it has been. I disagree sc2 was in a better state before hots. Hell I even liked beta more than the stage the game is in now. and I have played since WOL Beta. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 16 2014 09:25 404AlphaSquad wrote: I disagree sc2 was in a better state before hots. Hell I even liked beta more than the stage the game is in now. and I have played since WOL Beta. I think SC2 was better after HotS than during WoL. BL+Infestor was way more commonplace and harder to watch, and the prevalence of mediocre Blizzard maps was annoying during the earlier months. With HotS, matchups look more skillful and thus more entertaining IMO. | ||
ZodaSoda
Australia1191 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On August 16 2014 09:25 404AlphaSquad wrote: I disagree sc2 was in a better state before hots. Hell I even liked beta more than the stage the game is in now. and I have played since WOL Beta. Indeed. I would put pre-Queen Patch Wings of Liberty up as the pinnacle of SC2 so far. Like say April 2012 Wings of Liberty. The matchups were all relatively balanced and at the same time, all of the matchups were at least somewhat interesting if not significantly more interesting than they currently are. TvZ was about as good as it could get, PvZ was interesting, PvT was rather good and quite entertaining, and the mirror matchups were either the same or better than they currently. Marine/tank or mech vs. bio TvT on the maps of the time was a ton of fun to watch. | ||
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Socup
190 Posts
On August 16 2014 06:23 tshi wrote: Poll: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out? meh, it wont make a difference because the real problems are unfixable (ie the core of sc2 is bad) (48) yes, this new guy will be a great improvement (11) no, this new guy will not get the chance to drastically change the game (9) 68 total votes Your vote: Will the majority of the community like LoTV when it comes out? (Vote): yes, this new guy will be a great improvement loaded questions poll is loaded. Option to say that it might make sc2 worse? | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
Two team-members on Team X can set up a base on one corner(top right) of the map. That top right corner would house two mineral patches total. Those two mineral patches can fit two command centers/lair/nexus (one CC for each patch). One team member could control one command center and the team-mate would take charge of the other command center. The next two players, on the same team as Team X, can set up on the top left corner of the map and set up a base there with two mineral patches. Each mineral patch over here would be controlled by one team-member on Team X( Each mineral patch feeds into a Command Center/Lair). once again one mineral patch is operated by each player. The opposing Team Y can set up shop on the bottom half of the map set up in the similar positions. Game is over when one team forfeits/white flag or if every command center/Lair/Nexii is annihilated by one team. As well borrowing from LoL, there can be 5 minute scheduled bonuses or objectives (like slaying dragons) something to that effect which would favor one military dominion against the opposing faction if achieved. There can also be bans like banning a race that someone is ridiculously good at against one player on each team, or maybe two depending on gameplay dynamics. Banning races might encourage player to be more diversified in utilizing multiple races. Imagine if Flash was forced to play Protoss right in a pro-league match? In theory, games should be more interesting with 4v4 strategy. There would be tons of strategy and average people would be entertained by its prospects. Starcraft was a revolutionary/vangaard enterprising game that introduced the world to online competition that succeeded the 1st person shooters. It surpassed WC3 and CS as the go to games of that decade. What StarCraft needs is an evolution and transition into the next decade. I believe my ideas can further along the game of StarCraft into the next decade and hopefully the next few decades. | ||
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
On August 16 2014 04:11 Arvendilin wrote: D3 is WAAAY better now than it used to be o-o Oh why is that? Let me guess, because they removed the RMAH/AH due to tax issues, FinCEN regulations and most probably the whole RMAH thing was not making the kind of money for a company like ActiBlizz to be bothered with it all. If ActiBlizz felt they needed to remove the feature which did promote a negative pay2win feel about the game then I guess they had to do it. Thing is though it turned a mediocre hack n slash with two interesting features (smooth combat and rampant trade) into a mediocre hack n slash with one interesting feature (smooth combat). Can't wait for those lolseasons though with zero reason to re-roll characters and no economy to reset... About the new dev involved with sc2, I have to say I have not heard of him before. Hopefully he can add some interesting ideas to the team and I probably will be buying LotV anyways even though after HotS I am not overly enthusiastic about its release. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 16 2014 09:25 404AlphaSquad wrote: I disagree sc2 was in a better state before hots. Hell I even liked beta more than the stage the game is in now. and I have played since WOL Beta. Please never say that BL/infestor was better than hots again lol. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
On August 16 2014 10:49 Swift118 wrote: Oh why is that? Let me guess, because they removed the RMAH/AH due to tax issues, FinCEN regulations and most probably the whole RMAH thing was not making the kind of money for a company like ActiBlizz to be bothered with it all. If ActiBlizz felt they needed to remove the feature which did promote a negative pay2win feel about the game then I guess they had to do it. Thing is though it turned a mediocre hack n slash with two interesting features (smooth combat and rampant trade) into a mediocre hack n slash with one interesting feature (smooth combat). Can't wait for those lolseasons though with zero reason to re-roll characters and no economy to reset... About the new dev involved with sc2, I have to say I have not heard of him before. Hopefully he can add some interesting ideas to the team and I probably will be buying LotV anyways even though after HotS I am not overly enthusiastic about its release. D3 is way better than it was at launch. I do wish something could be done about trading but the game is so fun to just play now it won't bother you as much. SC2 has also vastly improved over the years and while there are still great games from the past (obviously) your average match is much more interesting/dynamic/entertaining/etc than your average match from the past not to mention some of crazy memorable games in recent months. There are still some things I'd like to see LotV get right so that SC2 can appeal to an even larger audience so we shall see what this new guy can bring. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
I think the thing is that the bigger a company gets, the more conservative it tends to become. They decided to go with the safest possible route with HotS, which was to add a few new units/tweaks. They should've experimented with some drastic changes in beta. Worst case scenario would've been to revert it back to the way it was before. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On August 16 2014 07:58 Doodsmack wrote: Cool exaggeration bro. You're not a BW elitist or anything right? Lol. Nice troll post. | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On August 16 2014 11:23 Doodsmack wrote: Please never say that BL/infestor was better than hots again lol. oh wow citing the worst out of the WOL era and comparing it to the general HOTS gameplay is stupid. Okay I do the same: never say sh vs sh is better than wol. see where this logic fails? There were tons of ways on how to fix the WOL problems without HOTS. The infestor nerf came with HOTS. That could have easily been done before or other approaches of redesign would have at least been possible in HOTS. But HOTS just kept the same problems of WOL and created new ones. To be fair, it fixed some. But overall it did hurt the game more than it did good. On August 16 2014 09:50 Ben... wrote: Indeed. I would put pre-Queen Patch Wings of Liberty up as the pinnacle of SC2 so far. Like say April 2012 Wings of Liberty. The matchups were all relatively balanced and at the same time, all of the matchups were at least somewhat interesting if not significantly more interesting than they currently are. TvZ was about as good as it could get, PvZ was interesting, PvT was rather good and quite entertaining, and the mirror matchups were either the same or better than they currently. Marine/tank or mech vs. bio TvT on the maps of the time was a ton of fun to watch. Agreed. pre queen range patch was the best time of the entire sc2 history. until Blizz decided to go full retard mode and patch something, where no players complained, an nobody expected. Then we saw the gameplay shift into the bl/infestor era. And instead of reverting their mistakes well you know.... | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On August 16 2014 08:50 Prog455 wrote: Get a grip dude. I seem to remember you saying that you don't even play SC2, but rather BW. That is all dandy, but anyone who have played this game since release will agree, that SC2 in its current form is no where near as bad as it has been. As to whether this is a good or a bad thing, i have no idea, but my guess is that SC2 will experience a spike when LotV is released, but then continue to decline, just as it is happening now - and just how every other game has its time. Correction. I don't have time to play either game to be honest, but I do watch both SC1 and SC2 a lot. My post has nothing to do with a comparison to Brood War. So let's kill that thought right now. My point of view: Just because SC2 is nearing state of total balance does not mean I should be satisfied with the product as a spectator. I watch the majority of every GSL, most of Proleague, Dreamhacks, IEMs, MLGs, and WCS US and EU RO8 on games so I am entitled to have my own opinion on SC2. I think the game has tons of potential. I think there have also been a variety of amazing games such as jjajki widow mines eating mutas. That being said, the game as a spectator sport still has a lot to improve on imo. With top tier programmers and state of the art tools, there is no need for us to be satisfied with our current product. LoTV has tons of open potential to improve upon the current game. Getting a new lead could really add a different perspective of creative direction. IMO, nothing bad can happen from here cause I'm not happy with how the product currently rests. To address your second point: SC2 actually feels like it's on the rise. Viewer numbers look great and production by organizers is quite amazing. I feel like as a community SC2 hasn't felt more positive then it does now. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
On August 16 2014 09:25 404AlphaSquad wrote: I disagree sc2 was in a better state before hots. Hell I even liked beta more than the stage the game is in now. and I have played since WOL Beta. I agree. It all went to the crapper a bit before the last patch before HotS launch | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 16 2014 13:44 BisuDagger wrote: To address your second point: SC2 actually feels like it's on the rise. Viewer numbers look great and production by organizers is quite amazing. I feel like as a community SC2 hasn't felt more positive then it does now. np you guys are welcome | ||
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ETisME
12627 Posts
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Timmsh
Netherlands201 Posts
On August 16 2014 09:50 Ben... wrote: Indeed. I would put pre-Queen Patch Wings of Liberty up as the pinnacle of SC2 so far. Like say April 2012 Wings of Liberty. The matchups were all relatively balanced and at the same time, all of the matchups were at least somewhat interesting if not significantly more interesting than they currently are. TvZ was about as good as it could get, PvZ was interesting, PvT was rather good and quite entertaining, and the mirror matchups were either the same or better than they currently. Marine/tank or mech vs. bio TvT on the maps of the time was a ton of fun to watch. I think you guys only remember the good stuff, and forget about the bad. Remember PvP? Colossis only and no way of expanding without getting hit by a 4 gate. Remember the 1 1 1 build in TvP? That was not to be called 'interesting'. Hell, even the msc which every terran hates, is better than the constant stupid forcefields in PvT (which are now almost gone in early game). I also think the reaper is a GREAT improvement in HOTS, you have ways of scouting without using a scan. And the widow mine gives a new dimension in TvZ. So overall, if you want to compare the two era's, it's just a matter of focus and it's very hard to compare because the game play itself was not truly developed yet in WOL. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On August 16 2014 18:54 Faust852 wrote: I feel like sc2 is close to perfect, the only true anoyings things are how laggy and buggy the hub is, and the hackers. For the rest I'm pretty happy. To have this kind of opinion is fine, but it's so fucking stupid to call other peoples posts and opinions as trolls or haters or whatever just because they don't think the game is all wonderful. On August 16 2014 08:52 Tresher wrote: Man TL turned into a massive trollfest. I asked why people say "Cant get any worse". Two people after me make a post: "Cant get any worse"... With people being in super dick mode like this, this forum is slowly turning into Bnet forums. Do people really have this much fun annoying other users? Sometimes I hate the Internet. People don't criticize the game to annoy you, they don't even care about you. Some people think the game is close to perfect, others that it's in a poor state. Neither of them is trolling. | ||
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Dubba
Finland15 Posts
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