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On August 15 2014 20:46 FeyFey wrote:
Whenever I read about the evil Forcefields, I put BW in todays internet society and imagine how people would cry about Plague forcing the Protoss to attack into a setup Zerg defense. Or the Finger of Death skill called Irradiate.
If the zerg managed to put mass static defense into the middle of the map in BW, he earned that victory. 
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On August 15 2014 21:23 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 05:03 Tuczniak wrote:
Probably too late to push big changes in LotV. thank god, c&c was garbage since westwood days
C&C3 and RA3 were good, those games just died without support.
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Isn't this a little late? Or does this mean we will have to wait a long time still for LotV?
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He's a game producer. This is going to have far less impact than most of you think.
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On August 15 2014 22:42 Existor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 21:23 Drake wrote:On August 15 2014 05:03 Tuczniak wrote:
Probably too late to push big changes in LotV. thank god, c&c was garbage since westwood days C&C3 and RA3 were good, those games just died without support.
c&c3 was good yes but RA3 was awful, such a let down from RA2 (my favorite rts of all time), I couldn't even finish the soviet campaign i got to the last mission and just gave up, the game felt so unbalanced and stupid and EVERYTHING was gimmicked. I TRYED to like it i really did i just couldn't 
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I was part of the CnC Beta and the game was crap. Altough Tim was active on the forums, which was great, he was incompetent and gave a shit about the response of the beta testers.
On August 15 2014 04:46 Newbton wrote:
Because having C&C people develop SC2 was such a great thing... TT
This.
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C&C developers did such a great job for sc2...why are this people still getting jobs they sold their soul to EA, will burn in hell (lets hope this exists) but dont give them jobs!!!
you would also not hire bush jr to be the spokesmen of your company...OMG
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On August 15 2014 20:05 Highways wrote:
Can't be any worse with the current state of SC2.
Hopefully they bring micro back to the game, rather than this attack move crap.
On August 15 2014 23:06 TaShadan wrote:I was part of the CnC Beta and the game was crap. Altough Tim was active on the forums, which was great, he was incompetent and gave a shit about the response of the beta testers. Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 04:46 Newbton wrote:
Because having C&C people develop SC2 was such a great thing... TT This.
On August 15 2014 23:13 tadL wrote:C&C developers did such a great job for sc2...why are this people still getting jobs they sold their soul to EA, will burn in hell (lets hope this exists) but dont give them jobs!!! you would also not hire bush jr to be the spokesmen of your company...OMG
Can't be any worse for the game than comments like yours are.
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Out of the many flaws of Sc2, I think EVERY user can agree with a strong need for a UI and Hub overhaul.
I'm getting fed up with the lack of real changes by Blizzard, if they used half the time failing at "balancing" the game on actually improving player experience with UI, bonus skins (not party hats), and increased arcade support the player numbers wouldn't have dropped so significantly after HotS.
On August 15 2014 23:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 20:05 Highways wrote:
Can't be any worse with the current state of SC2.
Hopefully they bring micro back to the game, rather than this attack move crap. Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 23:06 TaShadan wrote:I was part of the CnC Beta and the game was crap. Altough Tim was active on the forums, which was great, he was incompetent and gave a shit about the response of the beta testers. On August 15 2014 04:46 Newbton wrote:
Because having C&C people develop SC2 was such a great thing... TT This. Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 23:13 tadL wrote:C&C developers did such a great job for sc2...why are this people still getting jobs they sold their soul to EA, will burn in hell (lets hope this exists) but dont give them jobs!!! you would also not hire bush jr to be the spokesmen of your company...OMG Can't be any worse for the game than comments like yours are.
Maybe their comments were a bit harsh, but lets be real about their past works. In almost every aspect of "production" or "development" they haven't met the industry standards, much less Blizzard standards.
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Can you please be more specific about those industry standards. If you can name 3 RTS games that are universally considered better than SC2 you can come again with that argument.
It's basically down to WC3, BW and AoE for which you can only start to discuss that you might find more than a handful of people that prefer them over SC2. DoW or SupCom or CoH are - for the greatest amount of people - not even worth comparing to SC2 because SC2 wins by such a large margin.
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On August 15 2014 04:44 Disengaged wrote:
Ummm, dunno if I should be worried or not.
We'll see...
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I know literally zero people who stopped playing SC2 because they couldn't dress up their marines
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On August 15 2014 21:09 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 20:46 FeyFey wrote:
Whenever I read about the evil Forcefields, I put BW in todays internet society and imagine how people would cry about Plague forcing the Protoss to attack into a setup Zerg defense. Or the Finger of Death skill called Irradiate. And whining about how bio isn't viable in TvP  .
Don't forget Arbiters: I can't micro anymore wtf is this that is just bad game design! Wait he can just magically teleport his units into my base? Its soo unforgiving to to play Terran Protoss ez race Blizzard please!
Or what people would say about stronger storms >.<
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On August 15 2014 23:46 Tenks wrote:
I know literally zero people who stopped playing SC2 because they couldn't dress up their marines
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I read great reviews about pre versions of Generals 2. This could be a not bad move 
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On August 15 2014 23:43 Big J wrote:
Can you please be more specific about those industry standards. If you can name 3 RTS games that are universally considered better than SC2 you can come again with that argument.
It's basically down to WC3, BW and AoE for which you can only start to discuss that you might find more than a handful of people that prefer them over SC2. DoW or SupCom or CoH are - for the greatest amount of people - not even worth comparing to SC2 because SC2 wins by such a large margin.
Ok. If you want to compare Sc2 to outdated RTS market that doesn't have anyone really working on it then maybe sc2 is on par with the standards. However, if you compare it to the development, production, marketing, accessibility, ect, ect to industry leaders like CoD, Dota2, or Battlefield they are far from their competitors. Even comparing them to low budget products like DayZ, Minecraft, or Dark Souls, Sc2 is barely if at all better produced. If you want to compare it to more recent RTS like Wargames Red Dragon, Rome Total War 2 or Arma 3 you can clearly see the different level of development but only because Sc2's budget is tenfold the budget for Arma 3 (maybe not Rome 2).
I don't know how you think comparing Sc2 with games that came out ages ago is a good example of industry standards.
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On August 15 2014 23:43 Big J wrote:
Can you please be more specific about those industry standards. If you can name 3 RTS games that are universally considered better than SC2 you can come again with that argument.
It's basically down to WC3, BW and AoE for which you can only start to discuss that you might find more than a handful of people that prefer them over SC2. DoW or SupCom or CoH are - for the greatest amount of people - not even worth comparing to SC2 because SC2 wins by such a large margin.
You forgot Total annihilation and Homeworld. But of course, because SC2 is not worth comparing to those games, right ?
Well i could also list a few more old time hits (because RTS is basically a dead genre, trying to look for nowaday comparisons is just... well pointless), which provided way more fun than SC2 did.
Also,i wonder if people really played the games they are criticizing, or just complain because. C&C generals vanilla was an awesome game. Zero hour was a bit crazy for my taste, but generals was solid. Multiplayer included.
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I think everyone agrees SC2 has room for improvement (ie: drop in/out spectator mode, automated tournaments) but if anyone tries to pretend like SC2 is just pure crap as a game has lost their mind
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I'm very curious to see what direction LoV goes in considering how much the RTS market has changed even just since they first released WoS. Still love the game but want more people to get into the game and that requires some changes on the publishing side as well as how they choose to highlight the gameplay in a single player/multiplayer environment.
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On August 16 2014 00:27 yido wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 23:43 Big J wrote:
Can you please be more specific about those industry standards. If you can name 3 RTS games that are universally considered better than SC2 you can come again with that argument.
It's basically down to WC3, BW and AoE for which you can only start to discuss that you might find more than a handful of people that prefer them over SC2. DoW or SupCom or CoH are - for the greatest amount of people - not even worth comparing to SC2 because SC2 wins by such a large margin. Ok. If you want to compare Sc2 to outdated RTS market that doesn't have anyone really working on it then maybe sc2 is on par with the standards. However, if you compare it to the development, production, marketing, accessibility, ect, ect to industry leaders like CoD, Dota2, or Battlefield they are far from their competitors. Even comparing them to low budget products like DayZ, Minecraft, or Dark Souls, Sc2 is barely if at all better produced. If you want to compare it to more recent RTS like Wargames Red Dragon, Rome Total War 2 or Arma 3 you can clearly see the different level of development but only because Sc2's budget is tenfold the budget for Arma 3 (maybe not Rome 2). I don't know how you think comparing Sc2 with games that came out ages ago is a good example of industry standards.
wat
Battlefield 4 was a buggy mess for months after release.
So was the latest Call of Duty, which by the way is worse than the previous CoD in every way on PC and runs like garbage.
DayZ is not even finished.
Dark Souls 1 had a horrible PC port with 30 fps cap and very low internal resolution that had to be modded to be changed. DS2 is much better though.
Rome 2 on release probably wins the award for most broken game ever made.... was almost unplayable that the devs even publicly apologized for releasing it in that state.
On the other hand, SC2 even on launch was one of the most bug-free games I've played. Did you play half the games you mentioned? From a quality / polish / FUNCTIONING product perspective, SC2 shits on most of those games..
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