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WCS Europe - One less Korean in Premier League S3

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August 02 2014 12:47 GMT
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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Season_3_Europe/Challenger


The final day of WCS EU Challenger concluded, giving away the last 6 slots in Premier League. The day was filled with intense series and excellent play from all participants. The stage is now set for Premier League, the final step to Blizzcon. One interesting development is the decrease in WCS EU's Korean contingent with Season 3 having only 10, down from 11.

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The day kicked off with a high intensity set between two old school players. Property Morrow was looking good, opening the set with a solid mech game on Merry Go Round, taking the match over Mvp with excellent engages and superior harassment. Mech would be the name of the game for the rest of the series, as a back and forth occurred, with the Swede and Mvp trading blows. Morrow showed that 4 years later, he’s still a strong Terran, and one that’s a tournament threat, showing great harass potential and excellent positioning in tank wars.

In contrast to the old timers duking it out, the second series of the day featured Adonminus, an Israeli Protoss, still relatively new to the scene. In his third attempt at reaching Premier, the protoss was paired against Empire.Happy, hoping to make his way back to his old stomping grounds. The set consisted of action packed games, featuring aggressive and micro intensive play from both sides. Adon even broke out a proxy tempest build in game 3, proving that Rotterdam may very well be a prophet. Happy’s micro was on display throughout the entire series, harassing with drops, getting excellent surrounds, and showing great decision making in handling late game situations. Game 2 on Overgrowth was particularly exhilarating, with multiple changes of the lead, before Happy finally won when he took out the Israeli’s carrier fleet. When all was said and done, it was the former WC3 champion that prevailed.

The next set featured another prominent Eastern European in Kas. Going up against Tefel, Kas looked to make his return to Premier League after a season of absence. In the other corner was Tefel, the Polish Zerg, aiming to land back in PL after being knocked out in the Ro32 last season. The set was relatively unexciting, with Tefel simply attempting to go for roach pressure each game, and constantly getting repelled by Kas. The Ukrainian always responded with a slow, steady push of Marine/Tank, calmly taking engagements.

The CIS spree continued, with Bly going up against Stephano for the fourth match of the night. The first game was action packed, with Bly eventually teching to brood lords after a successful muta harassment strategy. The next two were… not as exciting. Stephano continued to play greedy, going hatch first both times, only to be met with 10 pool baneling each go around. Quick wins for Bly and a sad exit for the former Premier League finalist.

The first Korean to advance since Day 1 was AI.Patience, going up against the Danish player Lillekanin. The first match was a wonky one, with Lillekanin making a 2 rax with reactor on Catallena for mass reapers. When the pressure was repelled, he followed up with a mass stim marine push to try and kill the protoss’ natural expansion, all of this while still remaining on a single base himself. Patience easily deflected the aggression and took the win. The next game was a similar stomp, with Lillekanin having all of two Marines to deal with a proxy oracle attack, giving Patience plenty of time to prepare his blink attack followup. After a base race in game 3, the set concluded with Patience taking the second 3-0 of the day.


The evening ended with Liquid`Ret going up against Millenium.Dayshi. In classic Ret fashion, the Dutchman started out the set with an eco heavy game on Overgrowth, getting fast saturation on his bases. Dayshi responded with fast upgrades of his own, and attempted drops. Ret would hold, however, keeping Dayshi on his half of the map, taking the first match with excellent trades. That would be the end of Ret's luck, however. After an intense macro games on Nimbus, featuring fast mutas from Ret, Dayshi would get two quick victories, solidifying his position as the 32nd player in Premier League for Season 3.

Premier League Ro32 Players from Challenger League (16/16)
uk (P)BlinG, de (P)ShoWTimE, kr patience
nl (T)uThermal, kr (T)jjakji, dk (T)Bunny, kr (T)MMA, de (T)KrasS, se (T)MorroW, ru (T)Happy, ua (T)Kas, fr (T)Dayshi
de (Z)TLO, se (Z)Miniraser, fi (Z)Serral, ua (Z)Bly

Premier League Ro32 Players from Last Season's Ro16 (16/16)
fi (P)Welmu, pl (P)MaNa, nl (P)Harstem, kr (P)San, fr (P)ToD, kr (P)First, kr (P)StarDust, kr (P)MC, nl (P)Grubby
kr (T)YoDa, kr (T)ForGG
pl (Z)Nerchio, no (Z)Snute, kr (Z)Golden, ru (Z)LiveZerg, es (Z)VortiX

Race Distribution:
12
11
9

Next: WCS EU Premier League Group A
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
August 02 2014 12:51 GMT
#2
they will draw the Ro32 groups live on stream on Monday 4th
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sCnInfinity
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany82 Posts
August 02 2014 13:00 GMT
#3
Now that Mvp is out, only Yoda is left to cheer for
Long live the King Of Wings
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
August 02 2014 13:12 GMT
#4
Great writeup
Liquipedia
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 02 2014 13:13 GMT
#5
WOAH + Show Spoiler +
11 Terrans !!!
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
August 02 2014 13:22 GMT
#6
S3 finals

Welmu vs Serral

Mark my words.
Guileful
Profile Joined November 2012
Kazakhstan137 Posts
August 02 2014 13:26 GMT
#7
Jurgen nooooo
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
August 02 2014 13:43 GMT
#8
Wow that's a lot of Terrans that advanced from Challenger. And a lot of Europeans, too.

Wonder which Korean will win this time? I'm hesitantly backing MMA.

https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
August 02 2014 13:52 GMT
#9
Sigh... Mvp...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
August 02 2014 14:05 GMT
#10
It's 'one fewer Korean', since 'Korean' is a countable noun in this case.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#11
On August 02 2014 22:43 Larkin wrote:
Wow that's a lot of Terrans that advanced from Challenger. And a lot of Europeans, too.

Wonder which Korean will win this time? I'm hesitantly backing MMA.


I've said San for three seasons now and given that nobody has ever won twice WCS EU I guess it'll eventually be his time. But I hope ForGG will win !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France330 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-02 14:22:58
August 02 2014 14:15 GMT
#12
mvp

I don't want to say it, but it looks like he's gonna retire ;(
No bad days
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
August 02 2014 15:07 GMT
#13
foreigners are catching up with koreans. people like snute, scarlett and to some extend welmu already display code s level play on a semi-regular basis. the amount of code a level foreigner sis growing more and more aswell!
GwubbiL
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland18 Posts
August 02 2014 15:15 GMT
#14
Race distribution (PvTvZ as well as Foreigners vs Korea) in this season looks really good. No racist.
~~Pylons, Pylons Everywhere~~
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 02 2014 15:31 GMT
#15
9 terran 4 zerg 3 protoss from challanger ? and you guys thought premier cant be fair ^^ 12 11 9 so nice so nice
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-02 15:56:16
August 02 2014 15:54 GMT
#16
On August 03 2014 00:07 Tanzklaue wrote:
foreigners are catching up with koreans. people like snute, scarlett and to some extend welmu already display code s level play on a semi-regular basis. the amount of code a level foreigner sis growing more and more aswell!


It's more that there is now a bigger skill gap between the Koreans on the five successful KeSPA teams and all other Koreans. Top KeSPA guys like Maru, soO, Zest, Parting, Rain, Soulkey, etc still have almost no shot of losing to a foreigner but all the Koreans not on those teams I don't think are that far ahead of the top foreigners. It's no coincidence that with a few exceptions like DRG, Trap and INnoVation, Code S is composed entirely out of CJ/Samsung/SKT/KT/Jin Air players.

I have to say I found the title of this thread to be a bit sad. Mvp is probably the most iconic player in SC2 history, this is perhaps the last time anyone sees him play in a broadcast match, and the whole reaction is "one less Korean"? Even the writeup itself says nothing about this at all.
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
August 02 2014 16:13 GMT
#17
On August 03 2014 00:54 Yakikorosu wrote:

I have to say I found the title of this thread to be a bit sad. Mvp is probably the most iconic player in SC2 history, this is perhaps the last time anyone sees him play in a broadcast match, and the whole reaction is "one less Korean"? Even the writeup itself says nothing about this at all.


The title refers to the total number of Koreans in Premier League, not Mvp specifically. There are 10 Koreans this season, down from 11 last season.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 02 2014 16:29 GMT
#18
On August 03 2014 00:54 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2014 00:07 Tanzklaue wrote:
foreigners are catching up with koreans. people like snute, scarlett and to some extend welmu already display code s level play on a semi-regular basis. the amount of code a level foreigner sis growing more and more aswell!


It's more that there is now a bigger skill gap between the Koreans on the five successful KeSPA teams and all other Koreans. Top KeSPA guys like Maru, soO, Zest, Parting, Rain, Soulkey, etc still have almost no shot of losing to a foreigner but all the Koreans not on those teams I don't think are that far ahead of the top foreigners. It's no coincidence that with a few exceptions like DRG, Trap and INnoVation, Code S is composed entirely out of CJ/Samsung/SKT/KT/Jin Air players.

I have to say I found the title of this thread to be a bit sad. Mvp is probably the most iconic player in SC2 history, this is perhaps the last time anyone sees him play in a broadcast match, and the whole reaction is "one less Korean"? Even the writeup itself says nothing about this at all.

Well, Snute defeated Code S semifinalist TRUE and Stork last IEM, so saying Kespa/Samsung players have almost no shot of losing to foreigners is maybe a bit far streched, although the gap is still very big and doesn't look smaller than before for me either. Also Taeja deserves some honorable mention somewhere.

Agree fully on the second point, there could be a bit more about Mvp in this write up, but maybe that is an extra article for some day.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-02 16:38:25
August 02 2014 16:30 GMT
#19
On August 03 2014 00:07 Tanzklaue wrote:
foreigners are catching up with koreans. people like snute, scarlett and to some extend welmu already display code s level play on a semi-regular basis. the amount of code a level foreigner sis growing more and more aswell!


I think it's roughly the same if not worse actually. We've always had a few outlier foreigners that can regularly compete with Koreans in their respective eras.

Jinro, Idra, Thorzain, Naniwa , Sen, Huk, and Stephano in the past. Nowadays we have Scarlett, Snute, Welmu, Jim, etc. Maybe there's a few more outliers these days, but overall I'd still say there's very few that would probably survive the code A qualifiers and even less that could make code S.

We just came off a year where every single premiere event was won by a Korean and it looks to be the same this year (no foreign finalists even for 2014). Aside from Stephano, a foreigner has yet to even make the finals of a WCS region.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
August 02 2014 16:31 GMT
#20
On August 03 2014 00:07 Tanzklaue wrote:
foreigners are catching up with koreans. people like snute, scarlett and to some extend welmu already display code s level play on a semi-regular basis. the amount of code a level foreigner sis growing more and more aswell!

If you switch Code S with Code A and Code A with Code B, then it should be right.
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 02 2014 17:05 GMT
#21
So many Terrans :D and all them EU zergs (minus Golden)!! EU will be a great region this year!
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mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
August 02 2014 18:29 GMT
#22
On August 03 2014 00:54 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2014 00:07 Tanzklaue wrote:
foreigners are catching up with koreans. people like snute, scarlett and to some extend welmu already display code s level play on a semi-regular basis. the amount of code a level foreigner sis growing more and more aswell!


It's more that there is now a bigger skill gap between the Koreans on the five successful KeSPA teams and all other Koreans. Top KeSPA guys like Maru, soO, Zest, Parting, Rain, Soulkey, etc still have almost no shot of losing to a foreigner but all the Koreans not on those teams I don't think are that far ahead of the top foreigners. It's no coincidence that with a few exceptions like DRG, Trap and INnoVation, Code S is composed entirely out of CJ/Samsung/SKT/KT/Jin Air players.

I have to say I found the title of this thread to be a bit sad. Mvp is probably the most iconic player in SC2 history, this is perhaps the last time anyone sees him play in a broadcast match, and the whole reaction is "one less Korean"? Even the writeup itself says nothing about this at all.


About invincible Soulkey vs foreigner...

Jim actually beat Soulkey 2-0 in a best of 3

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/438383-iem-sao-paulo-asia-finals?page=3

On December 20 2013 18:11 NovaMB wrote:
(P)Jim 2-0 (Z)Soulkey

On December 20 2013 18:13 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 18:11 NovaMB wrote:
(P)Jim 2-0 (Z)Soulkey

Jim got his revenge for WCG Jim is always 1 step behind from being a champion...



also total map score between Jim and Soulkey is in favor of Jim 4:3

Jim win 4 maps, Soulkey win 3 maps

even Naniwa could never beat Soulkey

not sure but Jim might have been the 1st foreigner ever to beat Soulkey in a best of 3? duno lol (probably not?)

So Yes Soulkey is not invincible, he can lose to foreigner
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 02 2014 18:36 GMT
#23
On August 02 2014 22:22 Darrkhan wrote:
S3 finals

Welmu vs Serral

Mark my words.

I belive
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swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
August 02 2014 22:52 GMT
#24
Mvp had lag or was jet lagged or his body hurt more than usual that day. Or he had some hardware issue or he just doesn't care anymore.
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Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
August 03 2014 02:57 GMT
#25
wow.... shaping up to be a really interesting season
Liquid`Snute, AcerScarlett, ROOTCatZ, MC, Maru, Soulkey, Losira
Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
August 03 2014 02:58 GMT
#26
also very happy that bly 3-0'd stephano congrats bly
Liquid`Snute, AcerScarlett, ROOTCatZ, MC, Maru, Soulkey, Losira
dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
August 03 2014 04:16 GMT
#27
NUUUUUUU Mvp T_T
Dear, Rain, PartinG, Trap - "Glory to the Firstborn"
Enstein
Profile Joined April 2013
Russian Federation134 Posts
August 03 2014 06:06 GMT
#28
Would be great to have an interview with Morrow
Rooting for MaNa, Snute and Bunny. Europe holds!
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
August 03 2014 07:40 GMT
#29
"one less korean. i wonder who it is"
hey man just curious
MatKay
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany30 Posts
August 03 2014 09:58 GMT
#30
Sad times when cheering for Mvp these days :/
just a Fan | All the best for TotalBiscuit!
NaboliC
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden130 Posts
August 03 2014 10:17 GMT
#31
Morrow, I'm really proud of you. Just continue playing! Otherwise, go Happy!!!!! Wc3 micro! I'm zerg but now there are two terrans I'm cheering for.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
August 03 2014 10:18 GMT
#32
Wow Morrow beat Mvp and hurray for Kas!!
monchi | IdrA | Flash
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
August 03 2014 11:38 GMT
#33
I cant find the VODS for this? Can anyone help me?
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
Franky92
Profile Joined November 2013
Italy20 Posts
August 03 2014 17:11 GMT
#34
Draw on streaming Monday? At what time?
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
August 03 2014 18:55 GMT
#35
On August 03 2014 20:38 Advocado wrote:
I cant find the VODS for this? Can anyone help me?


http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe2/b/553428508

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