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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
August 01 2014 17:56 GMT
#261
On August 02 2014 02:50 GuitarBizarre wrote:
I'm actually wondering if maybe the reason we're hearing about these big names leaving their teams is because they're going to GEM/duknow, and that GEM are going to up their game a little in terms of their active promotion.

I mean, think about it - Who, Starcraft wise, is on GEM already? MC, Scarlett, Tasteless, Artosis, Bomber, MVP (Already), Leenock, Moonglade, Nestea, WhiteRa.

Now where do they go from here? I'm guessing "Pick up not top talent, but players with brand equity" is a big thing for them.

All these players have that in spades. HUGE brand equity that can be turned into sponsor cash. And since GEM are agents, not sponsors themselves, they can leverage individual sponsorships and don't have to worry about competing sponsors since each player's portfolio can expand seperately.

Scarlett is on GEM?
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
August 01 2014 17:58 GMT
#262
On August 02 2014 02:56 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:50 GuitarBizarre wrote:
I'm actually wondering if maybe the reason we're hearing about these big names leaving their teams is because they're going to GEM/duknow, and that GEM are going to up their game a little in terms of their active promotion.

I mean, think about it - Who, Starcraft wise, is on GEM already? MC, Scarlett, Tasteless, Artosis, Bomber, MVP (Already), Leenock, Moonglade, Nestea, WhiteRa.

Now where do they go from here? I'm guessing "Pick up not top talent, but players with brand equity" is a big thing for them.

All these players have that in spades. HUGE brand equity that can be turned into sponsor cash. And since GEM are agents, not sponsors themselves, they can leverage individual sponsorships and don't have to worry about competing sponsors since each player's portfolio can expand seperately.

Scarlett is on GEM?

http://gem.gg/clients/scarlett/
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Steinchen
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria39 Posts
August 01 2014 18:00 GMT
#263
i dont post often here, but this time i have to say: i will really miss MK PIRME.

and i hope he finds a new nice kick ass team!
:)
Sacrilege
Profile Joined December 2011
United States199 Posts
August 01 2014 18:00 GMT
#264
The cataclysm is in full swing. The old world as we know it is changing!! I really hope Mvp, MKP and DRG all find new homes! I love them all so much.
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LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-01 18:03:44
August 01 2014 18:03 GMT
#265
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...
Remember our motto: We ain't got it.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
August 01 2014 18:12 GMT
#266
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...


Isn't his proleague record above 50% and he's in either position one or one of the last meaning he's going up vs the aces of other top teams? How does that say underperforming? Sure he's not some god of SC2 winning everything anymore but he holds his own comfortably.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 01 2014 18:12 GMT
#267
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...

Carrying prime along with Creator does not look like underperforming to me, though I agree that he's unstable. That's implied in being MKP though, maybe a team change will change that?
sunshinehero
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway89 Posts
August 01 2014 18:13 GMT
#268
he is past his prime,


amazing
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 01 2014 18:15 GMT
#269
Someone needs to send MKP to disneyland/world again! I miss these good times!

Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Ryuhou)aS(
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1174 Posts
August 01 2014 18:16 GMT
#270
inb4 Root.MVP, Root.DRG Root,MK
BW. There will always be a special place in my heart for the game I spent 10 years to be mediocre at.
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
August 01 2014 18:27 GMT
#271
On August 02 2014 03:00 Sacrilege wrote:
The cataclysm is in full swing. The old world as we know it is changing!! I really hope Mvp, MKP and DRG all find new homes! I love them all so much.


Well it's basically the elephant in the room drama all over again, but this time it's really happening
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-01 18:30:10
August 01 2014 18:28 GMT
#272
On August 02 2014 03:12 Ovid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...


Isn't his proleague record above 50% and he's in either position one or one of the last meaning he's going up vs the aces of other top teams? How does that say underperforming? Sure he's not some god of SC2 winning everything anymore but he holds his own comfortably.



He is doing terrible, Code B, not able to do anything but get a few minor wins in proleague, he is not what SKT1 needs. Marine King would do far better overseas and able to make more money than he would in Korea. His coach said that's his goal anyway, I would love to see Marine King over seas, he has tons of fans here to.
Remember our motto: We ain't got it.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
August 01 2014 18:32 GMT
#273
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...

Wasn't he the best terran in PL this season? Doing better than the terrans in the so called best teams .
WriterMaru
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-01 18:39:52
August 01 2014 18:37 GMT
#274
On August 02 2014 03:32 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...

Wasn't he the best terran in PL this season? Doing better than the terrans in the so called best teams .


Who, MKP?
He was fourth at best, after Bbyong, Flash and TY, even fifth, after Cure.
And i forgot about Maru, so sixth.

On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...


SKMK Telecom T1

On August 02 2014 03:28 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 03:12 Ovid wrote:
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...


Isn't his proleague record above 50% and he's in either position one or one of the last meaning he's going up vs the aces of other top teams? How does that say underperforming? Sure he's not some god of SC2 winning everything anymore but he holds his own comfortably.



He is doing terrible, Code B, not able to do anything but get a few minor wins in proleague, he is not what SKT1 needs. Marine King would do far better overseas and able to make more money than he would in Korea. His coach said that's his goal anyway, I would love to see Marine King over seas, he has tons of fans here to.


Well, let's be honest, MKP was trying his ass off to carry Prime, but even winning bunch of ace matches isn't enough sometimes.
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gneGne
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands697 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-01 18:41:21
August 01 2014 18:39 GMT
#275
No, MKP was tied with Marus 4-5 score for best terran. 9th place overall performer.
Prolet
Profile Joined July 2012
United States37 Posts
August 01 2014 18:45 GMT
#276
On August 01 2014 20:06 Strela wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 19:45 Prolet wrote:
The scene needs to shrink even more. The prize money is a shadow of what it once was. It's hard enough as it is to make it as a progamer in Starcraft II. If I were them, I would consider military service, going to university, getting a job. All of those would give you a superior income and a future toward eventual retirement. The writing is on the wall, unfortunately. I watch Proleague. That's about it.

Do you have a source for this? I am kinda curious to see the prize money available in the sc2 scene over the years.


No I do not have a source. Perhaps I spoke out of turn. But at the very least, we can agree the competition is much more fierce with the addition of KESPA teams.

We see that there is no shortage of skilled free agents, making it a buyer's market. Teams can drive the money down they are willing to offer a player. Or they can even disband the team entirely and bring in a whole new roster.

But yeah, I would be curious too. Much less MLG involvment, NASL, IPL gone. May be 1 or 2 less GSLs per year, though higher prize pool per tournament. I don't think WCS makes up for that, unfortunately.
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
August 01 2014 18:59 GMT
#277
On August 02 2014 03:39 gneGne wrote:
No, MKP was tied with Marus 4-5 score for best terran. 9th place overall performer.

Wow, he tied Maru's score? Better than I expected, haha. wp MKP
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
August 01 2014 19:05 GMT
#278
I feel a little sick reading that. First MVP leaves IM, then DRG leaves MVP, now MarineKing leaves PRIME? Well at least he's not retiring from SC2 again right?
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 01 2014 19:05 GMT
#279
On August 02 2014 03:03 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:33 Arceus wrote:
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop



How does a under preforming Terran make sense to go to one of the best SC2 teams in the world?? It makes more sense for Marine King to leave Korea and try his luck overseas, he is past his prime, and not doing well in Korea at all...

Idk, ask Bravo.
Refer to my post.
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
August 01 2014 19:18 GMT
#280
On August 02 2014 03:45 Prolet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 20:06 Strela wrote:
On August 01 2014 19:45 Prolet wrote:
The scene needs to shrink even more. The prize money is a shadow of what it once was. It's hard enough as it is to make it as a progamer in Starcraft II. If I were them, I would consider military service, going to university, getting a job. All of those would give you a superior income and a future toward eventual retirement. The writing is on the wall, unfortunately. I watch Proleague. That's about it.

Do you have a source for this? I am kinda curious to see the prize money available in the sc2 scene over the years.


No I do not have a source. Perhaps I spoke out of turn. But at the very least, we can agree the competition is much more fierce with the addition of KESPA teams.

We see that there is no shortage of skilled free agents, making it a buyer's market. Teams can drive the money down they are willing to offer a player. Or they can even disband the team entirely and bring in a whole new roster.

But yeah, I would be curious too. Much less MLG involvment, NASL, IPL gone. May be 1 or 2 less GSLs per year, though higher prize pool per tournament. I don't think WCS makes up for that, unfortunately.



OK so I just did the math (well pretty much adding numbers :/)
source - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

2010 - 648,500 (does not include beta)
2011 - 2,239360
2012 - 2,784,890
2013 - 190,836 (Wol Winnings only)
2013 - 2,285,999 (HOTS Winnings only)
2014 - 2,281,175

so for the premier Tournaments there isnt really a huge decrease I cant say for the Major or minor tournaments. But all in all the money is still getting shoveled down sc2s throat.
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