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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 01 2014 17:05 GMT
#241
On August 02 2014 02:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 01:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:54 orvinreyes wrote:
On August 02 2014 00:59 Skynx wrote:
Wow all these free agents: MK(P), Mvp, Nestea, MC, DRG (probably) 16 GSL finals appearances altogether...


MC confirmed to have been contracted by KR gov't to establish a low-cost, all-KR team composed of eSF rejects with the sole purpose of farming $$$ in foreign tournaments.


Reference please ? That would be kinda interesting.

It's a joke


I'm so naive ! But they definitely should make an all-GSL finalists team !
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
August 01 2014 17:08 GMT
#242
On August 02 2014 01:54 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 01:47 orvinreyes wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:24 Maghetti wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 02 2014 00:42 Maghetti wrote:
Yeees I love the tears. The only way this news can ruin things for me is if MKP goes to a kespa team. If he joins KT I will need to remove KT from my favorite team spot and that would be devastating. Maru already ruined Jin Air for me. But for now I will celebrate.

I like to banter with Prime fans as much as the next guy but this is a little extreme… why do you hate Maru and MarineKing so much?

I have nothing against prime. Or nothing directly against prime at least. Originally when I first watched creator play I became his fan, and was a fan of Byun as well. Originally I was neutral towards Maru as well, when he was a mediocre player. Lets us travel back to the very beginning of SC2 and the legendary game of MKP vs Kyrix. With MKP you had a player who, in my opinion, played a dumb risky style with no longevity, but it was exciting as hell and introduced marine splits to the world. At the time I said it was exciting, but the way he played was not solid and would not last. So MKP went through his entire career finding one annoying play style after another that only works for a short time because it isn't figured out. Mass marine vs banes, marine/scv allins, that base trade crap he used to do, pure bio vs mech, mass thor/marine, and so on. I hate everything about his play style and I hate that he didn't disappear like the rest of the crap terrains from that era like BitByBit, Hyperdub, Maka, Ensnare, etc by constantly reinventing himself. I predicted he would disappear way back then and his continued presents in the scene annoys me greatly. Maru is a slightly more solid version of what MKP is and was but is still primarily the same sort of player who uses horrible styles that only work in the short term and wins entirely based on micro. That mass bio swarm with no ghosts or vikings vs protoss he was doing for awhile is such crap it is offensive. My hate for MKP expanded to ruin prime, creator, byun, Polt, Maru, etc. I fully admit my dislike of MKP and Maru is very subjective and largely based on petty reasons that should have no sway in more serious areas of thought. But with that said I believe in rooting for and against people in the scene. I have people I root for heavily and people I root against heavily, and people down a spectrum in between. MKP and Maru are just on the extreme rooting against side, with people like Flash on the extreme rooting for side. This post is long.


I'm a fan of Flash's champion (albeit stubborn) mindset too, but to be fair, Maru isn't the one-trick pony that MKP is.

I think it's funny that you are both making MKP out to be a "one trick pony" while in his ridiculous rant he talks about a large variety of styles that MKP used...


Those "variety of styles" can be lumped into the one-dimensional category of annoying micro tricks/exploits that he prefers to use which limits him. Another T player like this that comes to mind would be Fantasy, who loves microing units to death while foregoing strategy and macro.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 01 2014 17:11 GMT
#243
On August 02 2014 02:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:54 orvinreyes wrote:
On August 02 2014 00:59 Skynx wrote:
Wow all these free agents: MK(P), Mvp, Nestea, MC, DRG (probably) 16 GSL finals appearances altogether...


MC confirmed to have been contracted by KR gov't to establish a low-cost, all-KR team composed of eSF rejects with the sole purpose of farming $$$ in foreign tournaments.


Reference please ? That would be kinda interesting.

It's a joke


I'm so naive ! But they definitely should make an all-GSL finalists team !

Well, SKT1 is pretty close to that with Classic, Parting, soO, and Soulkey. IM was pretty close too with Mvp, Nestea, and Seed, plus a partnership with MC for a season of GSTL.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 01 2014 17:13 GMT
#244
On August 02 2014 02:08 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 01:54 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:47 orvinreyes wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:24 Maghetti wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 02 2014 00:42 Maghetti wrote:
Yeees I love the tears. The only way this news can ruin things for me is if MKP goes to a kespa team. If he joins KT I will need to remove KT from my favorite team spot and that would be devastating. Maru already ruined Jin Air for me. But for now I will celebrate.

I like to banter with Prime fans as much as the next guy but this is a little extreme… why do you hate Maru and MarineKing so much?

I have nothing against prime. Or nothing directly against prime at least. Originally when I first watched creator play I became his fan, and was a fan of Byun as well. Originally I was neutral towards Maru as well, when he was a mediocre player. Lets us travel back to the very beginning of SC2 and the legendary game of MKP vs Kyrix. With MKP you had a player who, in my opinion, played a dumb risky style with no longevity, but it was exciting as hell and introduced marine splits to the world. At the time I said it was exciting, but the way he played was not solid and would not last. So MKP went through his entire career finding one annoying play style after another that only works for a short time because it isn't figured out. Mass marine vs banes, marine/scv allins, that base trade crap he used to do, pure bio vs mech, mass thor/marine, and so on. I hate everything about his play style and I hate that he didn't disappear like the rest of the crap terrains from that era like BitByBit, Hyperdub, Maka, Ensnare, etc by constantly reinventing himself. I predicted he would disappear way back then and his continued presents in the scene annoys me greatly. Maru is a slightly more solid version of what MKP is and was but is still primarily the same sort of player who uses horrible styles that only work in the short term and wins entirely based on micro. That mass bio swarm with no ghosts or vikings vs protoss he was doing for awhile is such crap it is offensive. My hate for MKP expanded to ruin prime, creator, byun, Polt, Maru, etc. I fully admit my dislike of MKP and Maru is very subjective and largely based on petty reasons that should have no sway in more serious areas of thought. But with that said I believe in rooting for and against people in the scene. I have people I root for heavily and people I root against heavily, and people down a spectrum in between. MKP and Maru are just on the extreme rooting against side, with people like Flash on the extreme rooting for side. This post is long.


I'm a fan of Flash's champion (albeit stubborn) mindset too, but to be fair, Maru isn't the one-trick pony that MKP is.

I think it's funny that you are both making MKP out to be a "one trick pony" while in his ridiculous rant he talks about a large variety of styles that MKP used...


Those "variety of styles" can be lumped into the one-dimensional category of annoying micro tricks/exploits that he prefers to use which limits him. Another T player like this that comes to mind would be Fantasy, who loves microing units to death while foregoing strategy and macro.

Whatever imo he brought variety to the game and amazing micro is cool. Maru's TvP in late 2013 wasn't the best strategy but it was damn exciting to watch given his micro. If you don't like it that's cool though to each their own.
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
August 01 2014 17:14 GMT
#245
This is truly a sad day in sc2
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-01 17:16:36
August 01 2014 17:15 GMT
#246
These days mark the end of an era, truly...

(To be precise, it's more about the symbol than about the skill of these players, which is, relatively speaking, clearly not at the same level than before..)
LiquipediaWanderer
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 01 2014 17:16 GMT
#247
Oh yeah, I definitely remember that all-star IM roster with Mvp - NesTea - Seed - MC. Good old times !
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
August 01 2014 17:21 GMT
#248
very sad day to know this truely end of my era.
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
August 01 2014 17:23 GMT
#249
On August 02 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:
These days mark the end of an era, truly...

(To be precise, it's more about the symbol than about the skill of these players, which is, relatively speaking, clearly not at the same level than before..)


The thing is, their skill is actually the same as before. (except maybe for Nestea, who just got too old for the game)

Fact is these influx of BW pros and KeSPA investments increased the overall skill ceiling in KR, causing these guys to explore other opportunities.

Would be really funny though if someone from NA or EU wins it all at Blizzcon.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 01 2014 17:25 GMT
#250
On August 02 2014 02:23 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:15 Ragnarork wrote:
These days mark the end of an era, truly...

(To be precise, it's more about the symbol than about the skill of these players, which is, relatively speaking, clearly not at the same level than before..)


The thing is, their skill is actually the same as before. (except maybe for Nestea, who just got too old for the game)

Fact is these influx of BW pros and KeSPA investments increased the overall skill ceiling in KR, causing these guys to explore other opportunities.

Would be really funny though if someone from NA or EU wins it all at Blizzcon.

Mvp couldn't train for more than a year. DRG and MKP have good results nowadays too. It's not like they are bad. MKP was the best T in the last round of PL.
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
August 01 2014 17:25 GMT
#251
On August 02 2014 02:08 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 01:54 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:47 orvinreyes wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:24 Maghetti wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 02 2014 00:42 Maghetti wrote:
Yeees I love the tears. The only way this news can ruin things for me is if MKP goes to a kespa team. If he joins KT I will need to remove KT from my favorite team spot and that would be devastating. Maru already ruined Jin Air for me. But for now I will celebrate.

I like to banter with Prime fans as much as the next guy but this is a little extreme… why do you hate Maru and MarineKing so much?

I have nothing against prime. Or nothing directly against prime at least. Originally when I first watched creator play I became his fan, and was a fan of Byun as well. Originally I was neutral towards Maru as well, when he was a mediocre player. Lets us travel back to the very beginning of SC2 and the legendary game of MKP vs Kyrix. With MKP you had a player who, in my opinion, played a dumb risky style with no longevity, but it was exciting as hell and introduced marine splits to the world. At the time I said it was exciting, but the way he played was not solid and would not last. So MKP went through his entire career finding one annoying play style after another that only works for a short time because it isn't figured out. Mass marine vs banes, marine/scv allins, that base trade crap he used to do, pure bio vs mech, mass thor/marine, and so on. I hate everything about his play style and I hate that he didn't disappear like the rest of the crap terrains from that era like BitByBit, Hyperdub, Maka, Ensnare, etc by constantly reinventing himself. I predicted he would disappear way back then and his continued presents in the scene annoys me greatly. Maru is a slightly more solid version of what MKP is and was but is still primarily the same sort of player who uses horrible styles that only work in the short term and wins entirely based on micro. That mass bio swarm with no ghosts or vikings vs protoss he was doing for awhile is such crap it is offensive. My hate for MKP expanded to ruin prime, creator, byun, Polt, Maru, etc. I fully admit my dislike of MKP and Maru is very subjective and largely based on petty reasons that should have no sway in more serious areas of thought. But with that said I believe in rooting for and against people in the scene. I have people I root for heavily and people I root against heavily, and people down a spectrum in between. MKP and Maru are just on the extreme rooting against side, with people like Flash on the extreme rooting for side. This post is long.


I'm a fan of Flash's champion (albeit stubborn) mindset too, but to be fair, Maru isn't the one-trick pony that MKP is.

I think it's funny that you are both making MKP out to be a "one trick pony" while in his ridiculous rant he talks about a large variety of styles that MKP used...


Those "variety of styles" can be lumped into the one-dimensional category of annoying micro tricks/exploits that he prefers to use which limits him. Another T player like this that comes to mind would be Fantasy, who loves microing units to death while foregoing strategy and macro.


Those "annoying micro tricks" are pretty damn impressive and entertaining to watch, lol. I guess to someone who loves SC2 primarily for the strategy element, he wouldn't be interesting to watch. But I love the micro, and MKP has always been the best at it. Kind of like watching old Boxer vids... that stuff just gives me nerd chills.
Joner
Profile Joined June 2011
51 Posts
August 01 2014 17:27 GMT
#252
On August 01 2014 19:31 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
please go to Jin Air :D

Yes, please!
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 01 2014 17:33 GMT
#253
MarineKing going to T1 makes the most sense for me. The team needs a terran, the dude needs good environment to fully develop
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
August 01 2014 17:44 GMT
#254
On August 02 2014 02:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2014 02:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 02 2014 01:54 orvinreyes wrote:
On August 02 2014 00:59 Skynx wrote:
Wow all these free agents: MK(P), Mvp, Nestea, MC, DRG (probably) 16 GSL finals appearances altogether...


MC confirmed to have been contracted by KR gov't to establish a low-cost, all-KR team composed of eSF rejects with the sole purpose of farming $$$ in foreign tournaments.


Reference please ? That would be kinda interesting.

It's a joke


I'm so naive ! But they definitely should make an all-GSL finalists team !


or they could not have MK and make an all-GSL champions team
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
August 01 2014 17:46 GMT
#255
NOOOOO Wtf you can't do this to me twice MKP!!! Damn it.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
August 01 2014 17:50 GMT
#256
I'm actually wondering if maybe the reason we're hearing about these big names leaving their teams is because they're going to GEM/duknow, and that GEM are going to up their game a little in terms of their active promotion.

I mean, think about it - Who, Starcraft wise, is on GEM already? MC, Scarlett, Tasteless, Artosis, Bomber, MVP (Already), Leenock, Moonglade, Nestea, WhiteRa.

Now where do they go from here? I'm guessing "Pick up not top talent, but players with brand equity" is a big thing for them.

All these players have that in spades. HUGE brand equity that can be turned into sponsor cash. And since GEM are agents, not sponsors themselves, they can leverage individual sponsorships and don't have to worry about competing sponsors since each player's portfolio can expand seperately.
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
August 01 2014 17:54 GMT
#257
On August 02 2014 02:50 GuitarBizarre wrote:
I'm actually wondering if maybe the reason we're hearing about these big names leaving their teams is because they're going to GEM/duknow, and that GEM are going to up their game a little in terms of their active promotion.

I mean, think about it - Who, Starcraft wise, is on GEM already? MC, Scarlett, Tasteless, Artosis, Bomber, MVP (Already), Leenock, Moonglade, Nestea, WhiteRa.

Now where do they go from here? I'm guessing "Pick up not top talent, but players with brand equity" is a big thing for them.

All these players have that in spades. HUGE brand equity that can be turned into sponsor cash. And since GEM are agents, not sponsors themselves, they can leverage individual sponsorships and don't have to worry about competing sponsors since each player's portfolio can expand seperately.


MKG doesn't sounds as good as MKP though.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1387 Posts
August 01 2014 17:55 GMT
#258
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooo
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http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 01 2014 17:56 GMT
#259
I don't really get what GEM does, even by looking at their website. Is it a sponsor ? A team ? Personal agents ?
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
August 01 2014 17:56 GMT
#260
Adios MKP! Wonder what's next for him.
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