Balance Patch Coming Soon - July 22 - Page 11

On July 23 2014 09:37 r691175002 wrote:

This drivel needs to die. It has no backing in reality and is just a senseless way for people to kill balance discussion without actually having to refute any arguments. Its almost as bad as "Sample size too small!" (Unfailingly used by people who don't even know what the statistical definition of a sample is...)


Lower skill players are more affected by balance than professional players by any quantitative measure. This is true for two major reasons:
First, the lower skill player-base is many, many, orders of magnitude larger, therefore even the smallest alterations in balance have statistically significant outcomes.
Secondly, as there are many more lower skill players, the average skill difference is much smaller. This is further compounded by the matchmaking system which attempts to generate even matchups. Even matchups are far more likely to have their outcome altered by balance than a RO8 taeja vs foreigner stomp.

If you accept the above two points, is impossible to make a coherent argument that balance patches do not affect lower level players. If you want empirical proof, ladder distribution statistics are far more volatile than high-level win rates.

In fact, the idea that a patch exclusively affects high level play was contradicted in the very post that this thread is discussing! The Thor patch is expected to have a marginal affect on pros, but alter low level play.


It is fair to say a few things regarding low skill players and skill, namely that balance at low skill levels should not be a priority, and that spending a few hours practicing will improve your game-play far more than whining on tl.

It is not fair, or even logically coherent, to say that low skill players are somehow immune to balance patches. If marine damage was doubled overnight, would low level players be unaffected because they should just play better?



P.S. Nothing makes me laugh harder than when someone claims "sample size too small" when discussing the entire population of games in a tournament or time period.

On July 23 2014 05:12 KatatoniK wrote:


So you want Protoss to die to stim pushes every game? After watching Ryung vs Squirtle I definitely don't think PO "fucks up" other match-ups.

Protoss isn't the flawed race here, Terran is. I can't be the only one who finds it ridiculous that Terran get away with making the bulk of their army in cheap tier 1 units that then get a DPS + Speed boost at the press of one button + healing from other units.

Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of Protoss that are incredibly stupid (I'm looking at you Time Warp) but a race that is balanced entirely around a 50 mineral early game unit that does pretty much everything + cheap mine units that can decimate most things very cost effectively. Surely I can't be the only person in the world who thinks that's incredibly silly.

On July 23 2014 05:54 andrewlt wrote:


They're all flawed. But yes, designing an entire race's roster to be nothing but support units for their first, cheap, low tech military unit is pretty silly.

On July 23 2014 12:10 desertfrog817 wrote:
If terran needed a buff in late game I sure hope they bring back Caduceus Reactor.
The game then would be differentky fix late game for bio.

Now that I think about think about it when ppl say terran needs a late game unit im differently going to talk about this upgrade.Also I thought it was cool with the medi changing all colors when it healed .

Also im talking about the healing regeneration from hots beta

On July 23 2014 12:32 FoShao wrote:



lol you mean the insta-win upgrade?

On July 23 2014 13:43 desertfrog817 wrote:


you obviously havent seen HT storm a bio army lol but yeah im just making a suggestion for late game even with this upgrade terran still had to split and so on.

On July 23 2014 09:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:


Well what you say is actually true for everyone except maybe top KR players, but most people are mistaken and think they're good enough to be affected by balance patches (me the first !).

On July 23 2014 13:23 StaraCroft wrote:
Is this really what terrans want? This basically means if you don't pull your probes in time against an early mine drop you will loose to one mine. And you might still loose if they send in a second medivac into the retreat path of your probes (haven't seen anyone do this since the beta).
This doesn't seem like it addresses any balance concerns and will just give random wins to terran if they happen to land a lucky widow mine shot.

On July 23 2014 13:55 StaraCroft wrote:

A high templar costs 50/150 and has to wait half a minute to cast a skillshot that does 80 damage over 4 seconds in a 1.5 radius and can be dodged. The proposed widow mine will cost 75/25 and does the same damage instantly over a larger radius.
The only reason I can think why they will buff it like this is if they have an internal bet going to see if they can make a change so outrageous it will make Avilo stop crying.