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[SPL] SKT vs CJ Match 2 Recap/Match 3 Preview

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[SPL] SKT vs CJ Match 2 Recap/Match 3 Preview

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July 21st, 2014 17:37 GMT
SPL '13-14

SPL '13-14
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Match 2 Recap
SKT comes back

Match 3 Preview
Who will advance?

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CJ 1-1 SKT
Match 2 Recap


By Soularion

CJ defied all doubts on Sunday night as they overcame SKT's seemingly insurmountable depth advantage and took Match 1. With a chance to upset the massive favorites and advance to the finals, CJ took on SKT in the all-kill format. Unfortunately, things did not go their way this time around as the multiple Proleague champions displayed the full might of their bench and took Match 2 in convincing fashion, forcing the third and deciding match tomorrow.


(Z)Dark <Merry Go Round> (T)Bunny
(P)PartinG <Frost> (T)Bunny
(P)PartinG <King Sejong Station> (P)herO
(P)PartinG <Outboxer> (T)Bbyong
(P)PartinG <Overgrowth> (Z)Hydra
(P)Rain <Habitation Station> (Z)Hydra

Game 1: VOD (Z)Dark vs (T)Bunny

In the rematch of the previous day's opening game, Bunny faced Dark on Merry Go Round. Bunny tried to go for a fake-cloak banshee mindgame, but it didn't result in much. The game played out in very standard fashion, yet the game quickly grew beyond either player's capacity to control it. Dark went mutas early, leaving him with no banes to defend a push by Bunny. While Bunny's push ravaged his third, Dark traded with mutas only to have them die to reinforcing marines. With no baneling speed and an upgrade disadvantage, Dark was forced to GG and give CJ the 1-0 lead.
SKT 0-1 CJ!

Game 2: VOD (P)PartinG vs (T)Bunny

PartinG came out to fight Bunny on Frost, playing the match-up that first earned him recognition. The SKT Protoss went for a very simple yet incredibly deadly build involvin a multi-pronged zealot drop/blink pressure that lulled out Bunny's army with stalkers while he dropped zealots into the Terran main. Having dealt a good bit of damage early on and transitioning into a strong collosus follow-up, Bunny had neither the army nor upgrades to deal with it and died amongst a sea of manner nexuses and toss units to let SKT1 tie it up, 1-1.

Game 3: VOD (P)PartinG vs (P)herO

In the weirdest game of the night, PartinG and herO exchanged throws in order to discover which player could win by accident. PartinG threw away his MSC with a late recall after going for probe harass, only for herO to lose 3 stalkers caught out by a blink move-out. Then, herO caught out a few of PartinG's stalkers and pushed out himself, sensing that PartinG was likely weak enough for his move-out to work. PartinG had a massive econ lead, but herO blinked in to the base through an overcharge. PartinG didn't have as many stalkers, but the defender's advantage + immortals was enough to put an end to the chaos following herO's overzealous attack and bring in another win for SKT1, 2-1.


Game 4: VOD (P)PartinG vs (T)Bbyong
In a repeat of last night's match, Bbyong went for his (apparently standard) mech build on Outboxer. Unfortunately for the Terran, Parting saw it coming. Losing a medivac and a ton of marines in a failed push against PartinG, the mech follow-up was significantly weakened. From that point on, PartinG countered Bbyong's play perfectly, going for a very strong blink attack that Bbyong simply didn't have enough forces to fend off. It was yet another display of PartinG's ability to read PvT very well, getting enough stalkers to pick off Bbyong's drop while having enough to just utterly destroy him after. 3-1.

Game 5: VOD (P)PartinG vs (Z)Hydra

With a guaranteed third match plus an all-kill on the line, PartinG went for his signature Soul Train, the infamous immortal/sentry all-in. Despite somewhat lacking information, Hydra went for his namesake: hydralisks. With a decent scout coming out soon after, Hydra's brilliant defense allowed him to hold off the push despite some godlike forcefields. Pushing out but playing safely enough not to risk death by follow-up, Hydra denied PartinG's and continued to choke him out. PartinG, noticing that he was far too behind in econ, went for a last ditch probe pull that didn't achieve anything at all. The last hope of CJ Entus, MSL champion Hydra, had braved his inconsistency once more, bringing the score to 3-2 in the favor of SKT1.

Game 6: VOD (P)Rain vs (Z)Hydra

Hydra went for an early gold strategy that Rain saw through and countered with little trouble. Going for a gold himself, the SKT Protoss went into a quick stargate and robo for phoenix/zealot harass into collosus. The harassment succeeded in putting pressure on Hydra, killing a few hydras and keeping him distracted, allowing Rain to freely tech and expand on his side of the map. Transitioning into a void ray/collosus composition that utterly destroyed the questionable corrupter/hydra composition of Hydra, Rain won multiple big fights and eventually eked out enough advantages for him to put the final nail in Hydra's coffin. Closing out the match, Rain gave his team another chance at beating CJ in proleague format. SKT 4-2 CJ

Next match starts in:


Match 3:
Preview


by Zealously


(Z)Dark < Merry Go Round LE > (P)Hush
Fielding their go-to starter Dark for the third match in a row, this match seems like a rough draw for CJ. While Bunny has displayed an ability to keep up with even the best Zergs, the same cannot truly be said for Hush. Fortunately for the CJ Protoss (whose worst match-up happens to be PvZ), Dark's ZvP is significantly less deadly than his ZvT. Of course, given the caliber of opponents the SKT Zerg has faced it is difficult to say exactly how much weaker Dark is in vP, but whichever player can overcome his weakness in this match-up and take the win will likely be on the winning team by the time the match is over.

(P)Classic < King Sejong Station LE > (P)Sora
Sora makes his return after a long absence when CJ needs him the most. In line with how his career has looked right from the moment he appeared on the WCG stage, he faces one of the most difficult opponents possible, GSL champion Classic. Although Classic has been somewhat unstable in the PvP match-up from time to time (a recent loss to Creator raises some questions about his Bo1 prowess), there is little that can be said for Sora. Although he beat Parting 2-1 in the opening match in Code A, he followed his win up with dual 0-2 losses against Avenge and a vengeful Parting. As one of the most proficient late-game Protoss players, Sora's best chances may actually lie in forcing Classic to the late-game where they can square off in the air.

Make no mistake, the fact that Sora is being fielded in the deciding match - where every loss is one dangerous step towards elimination - means that CJ management at least has some confidence in his abilities. However, it has been a long time since Sora was last a reliable pick to upset players of Classic's calliber, and a standard game can only favor the SKT Protoss.

(Z)soO < Habitation Station LE > (Z)Hydra
How does one predict Hydra? If all games of Starcraft were played out only in the early game, Hydra would be a GSL champion. However, his late game weaknesses are both obvious and easily exploited. Facing the world's best ZvZ player in soO, Hydra needs to not only bring his A-game but likely some form of build to throw the three-time GSL finalist off. He pulled off a similar feat against Soulkey, where his hidden gas into ling speed with lings blocking Soulkey's drones from building a wall, but he will have to dig deep into his hat to find another trick of similar magnitude. soO is not a player easily thrown off (except in finals) nor one that is easy to exploit.

(P)Rain < Outboxer > (T)Bbyong
For the third match in a row, Bbyong faces a top-tier Protoss on Outboxer. By now, I can only assume that Bbyong is being repeatedly fielded on Outboxer because he performs well on the map in practice, and because the map is best suited for his TvP mech play. There are two possibilities for this match:
  • Bbyong goes for mech one more time
  • Rain expects mech and plays accordingly, but Bbyong goes for bio instead, outsmarting Rain.

Predicting second-grade mindgames of this kind is always difficult, and Bbyong does not seem the kind of player to attempt a mindgame like this. With this in mind, it seems likely that Bbyong will go for mech one more time. Provided Rain does not ask Classic for advice on how to fight it and scouts diligently, this match will be an uphill battle for the Station Attendant.

(P)PartinG < Frost LE > (P)herO
In a rematch from today's match, Parting takes on herO one more time. While their first match was plagued by misplays and questionable decision making, these are still two of the best Protoss players in the world. With a winrate of 60% for herO and 67% for Parting, this match might be the closest of the night. The pressure is on for herO more so than for Parting, because CJ's draws are much more difficult than the ones they received in Match 1. His best shot lies in playing a standard game given that Parting isn't a player to typically crack under aggression. If anything, the lategame might be where herO can outmatch Parting.

Alternatively, proxy a dark shrine.


(Z)Soulkey < Overgrowth LE > (Z)EffOrt

Although Effort and Hydra have a weird tendency to be clutch when it comes to important matches. While their regular round records are mediocre at best, these are both starleague champions (Effort OSL, Hydra MSL) and it actually shows from time to time. Fortunately for SKT, so is Soulkey. More importantly, he has won one in HotS and plays well consistently even outside high-pressure situations. After seeing Hydra catch Soulkey off guard in Match 1, I cannot completely discount the possibility that another prepared build may be coming Soulkey's way. However, with how all-around solid the GSL champion is, I must favor him in this match.

Ace:Merry Go Round LE
By now, it seems clear that CJ will field herO in the ace match in nearly every situation. While predicting who will come out for CJ is easy, it is significantly harder to do the same for SKT. Unless they decide to field soO - a decision that has proven unwise before - I feel that SKT has the advantage of preparation for an ace match. It is very likely that the CJ ace will be herO, while SKT's ace can be any one of Rain, Parting, Classic and Soulkey (and soO, but he embarrassed himself against herO). SKT has tended toward fielding Rain and Soulkey the most in ace situations over the course of the season, and both Rain - herO and Soulkey - herO seem like even matches, the first slightly favoring Rain and the second slightly favoring herO.

Of course, this also enables CJ to throw a curveball by not fielding herO, which SKT might anticipate in turn...


Prediction

Moreso than in the first match, SKT have received favorable draws this time around. If Hush can lead off with a win, this match is manageable for CJ. If not, CJ's hopes hinge on Hydra bringing out the MSL-Hydra and Bbyong pulling off whatever shenanigans he has prepared for Outboxer as well as possible. There are a lot of "ifs" and "buts" for CJ in this match whereas SKT simply needs to play on their usual level to be favored. Naturally, this is a significant advantage for oov's team, and CJ will need to bring something beyond their ordinary level to win this match.

Dark > Hush
Classic > Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting < herO
Soulkey > Effort

SK Telecom T1 win the series 2-1 and advance to the Grand Finals.


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Writers: Zealously, Soularion
Images: shiroiusagi
Editor: Zealously
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 21 2014 17:43 GMT
#2
The CJ fan in me says:

Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting < herO
Soulkey vs Effort

SKT 1-4 CJ
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 21 2014 17:53 GMT
#3
On July 22 2014 02:37 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
(P)Rain < Outboxer > (T)Bbyong
For the third match in a row, Bbyong faces a top-tier Protoss on Outboxer. By now, I can only assume that Bbyong is being repeatedly fielded on Outboxer because he performs well on the map in practice, and because the map is best suited for his TvP mech play. There are two possibilities for this match:
  • Bbyong goes for mech one more time
  • Rain expects mech and plays accordingly, but Bbyong goes for bio instead, outsmarting Rain.

I have a third option:

3. Knowing that Bbyong may go mech or play upon the "things always come in threes?" theme, Rain gets an early Sentry to send a hallucinated Phoenix OR takes a non-obvious path with his first Observer so it doesn't run into the Raven.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 21 2014 18:10 GMT
#4
4 - 0 for SKT
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dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
July 21 2014 18:10 GMT
#5
Dark > Hush
Classic < Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain > Bbyong
PartinG > herO
Soulkey < EffOrt
Ace: Rain > herO
Dear, Rain, PartinG, Trap - "Glory to the Firstborn"
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 21 2014 18:13 GMT
#6
I think I'm going to have to agree with the TL prediction on this one. That 4-2 seems plausible
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
July 21 2014 18:37 GMT
#7
4-1 skt
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-21 18:41:34
July 21 2014 18:37 GMT
#8
It's gonna be an allkill or:

Dark < Hush
Classic > Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain > Bbyong
PartinG < herO
Soulkey > EffOrt
4-2
Jowj
Profile Joined June 2012
United States248 Posts
July 21 2014 18:41 GMT
#9
Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting > herO
Soulkey < Effort

Betting hard on the non-a-listers to make this happen for CJ. COME ON COACH PARK, WORK YOUR MAGIC
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 21 2014 18:44 GMT
#10
On July 22 2014 03:41 Jowj wrote:
Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting > herO
Soulkey < Effort

Betting hard on the non-a-listers to make this happen for CJ. COME ON COACH PARK, WORK YOUR MAGIC


Wow who put you on the strategy team and did they not tell you that Bbyong and herO are good players
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18407 Posts
July 21 2014 18:45 GMT
#11
I would be surprised if CJ wins even one map
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 21 2014 18:52 GMT
#12
On July 22 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
I would be surprised if CJ wins even one map


You lack faith
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carson032000
Profile Joined March 2014
United States4 Posts
July 21 2014 19:01 GMT
#13
CJ entus wins 4-0, i have faith
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
July 21 2014 19:17 GMT
#14
"Dark's ZvP is significantly less deadly than his ZvP"
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2014 19:18 GMT
#15
Dark > Hush
Classic > Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
PartinG > herO
Soulkey < Effort

Ace
Rain < GUMIGOD

CJ WINS
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
July 21 2014 19:19 GMT
#16
>> Dark's ZvP is significantly less deadly than his ZvP
Sick.

Anyway, everything can happen, but if SKT take at least 2 from first 3 maps, we're in the finals.
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
July 21 2014 19:33 GMT
#17
I guess Fantasy's been permanently benched if he can't even get games in a bo7
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
July 21 2014 19:38 GMT
#18
Aww I really wanted to see gumiho :S

Bah I guess Bbyong will cheer me up by beating Rain with his mech build on outboxer
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Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
July 21 2014 19:39 GMT
#19
On July 22 2014 02:43 Zealously wrote:
The CJ fan in me says:

Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting < herO
Soulkey vs Effort

SKT 1-4 CJ

I'd say exactly the same results. Hope this will be it ! :D
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TaShadan
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Germany1973 Posts
July 21 2014 19:48 GMT
#20
SKT plz!
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
July 21 2014 19:50 GMT
#21
Hoping CJ can get it done, though I expect SKT will win. SKT vs KT in the finals it is.
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France24202 Posts
July 21 2014 20:13 GMT
#22
I'm REALLY curious to see if Bbyong will once again pull out "his" mech build on Outboxer. The mind games will probably be strong on that map and I could see Bbyong going for early game shenanigans -especially hellions-, try to lure Rain into thinking he's going mech, or a lot of things like that. To sum up : can't wait for that one
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
July 21 2014 21:02 GMT
#23
Fanta for the ace match, I believe!!

Also, SKT posted a photo after the game and Sorry was in uniform, i find that kind of weird.
Jowj
Profile Joined June 2012
United States248 Posts
July 22 2014 03:10 GMT
#24
On July 22 2014 03:44 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 03:41 Jowj wrote:
Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting > herO
Soulkey < Effort

Betting hard on the non-a-listers to make this happen for CJ. COME ON COACH PARK, WORK YOUR MAGIC


Wow who put you on the strategy team and did they not tell you that Bbyong and herO are good players


you are going to eat your words when only the b-listers win and CJ 4-2s SKT1 and advances to the finals in a blizzard of glory
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BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
July 22 2014 03:55 GMT
#25
Dark > Hush
Classic < Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain > Bbyong
Parting < herO
Soulkey > Effort

SKT 4-2
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
xenoZhang
Profile Joined July 2012
China142 Posts
July 22 2014 04:20 GMT
#26
with such lineup, anything other than champ is not acceptable for T1
and I want to see more PartinG!


and Fantasy... if possible...
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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
July 22 2014 06:39 GMT
#27
I really hope this goes to the ace game of the ace match, but that is surely too much to hope for. If it does, all bets are off, you'd have to say CJ are even slightly favoured. They would surely bring out herO again (superstar Bbyong has surprisingly never featured in an ace match), and SKT I don't think they will trust in soO again and I don't think they will entrust all their championship dreams to a volatile pvp against a pvp master like herO. So I think it would be Soulkey, who's been red-hot lately and also reliable as ace. But his zvp isn't unbeatable so there's just no perfect answer to herO for SKT.
Foncy
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany16 Posts
July 22 2014 07:49 GMT
#28
here is the wrong bunny in the link ..
got damn shit :D
Foncy
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany16 Posts
July 22 2014 07:50 GMT
#29
its not teamliquid bunny
got damn shit :D
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3372 Posts
July 22 2014 08:09 GMT
#30
well this is it folks, today CJ shines or gets crushed, GL!
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nktiep
Profile Joined December 2010
Vietnam40 Posts
July 22 2014 08:12 GMT
#31
Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain < Bbyong

SKT 0 - 4 CJ
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 08:27:09
July 22 2014 08:24 GMT
#32
Dark < Hush
Classic > Sora
soO = Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting < herO
Soulkey < Effort

Kinda how i see it :D. Thou I got to say its not easy to predict much.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
July 22 2014 10:54 GMT
#33
On July 22 2014 02:53 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 02:37 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
(P)Rain < Outboxer > (T)Bbyong
For the third match in a row, Bbyong faces a top-tier Protoss on Outboxer. By now, I can only assume that Bbyong is being repeatedly fielded on Outboxer because he performs well on the map in practice, and because the map is best suited for his TvP mech play. There are two possibilities for this match:
  • Bbyong goes for mech one more time
  • Rain expects mech and plays accordingly, but Bbyong goes for bio instead, outsmarting Rain.

I have a third option:

3. Knowing that Bbyong may go mech or play upon the "things always come in threes?" theme, Rain gets an early Sentry to send a hallucinated Phoenix OR takes a non-obvious path with his first Observer so it doesn't run into the Raven.


damn, your idea about the OB dodging the ravens in usual pathways was spot on (even though the OBs were cleaned up)
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
July 22 2014 12:17 GMT
#34
soo sad for cj(((
HmmmCookies
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada34 Posts
July 22 2014 13:22 GMT
#35
On July 22 2014 04:18 Darkhorse wrote:
Dark > Hush
Classic > Sora
soO < Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
PartinG > herO
Soulkey < Effort

Ace
Rain < GUMIGOD

CJ WINS


I think the most likely choice for SKT's ace is Soulkey. They'll expect herO, and you never really want to play your season on a coinflippy matchup, especially when you know herO's win rate in PvP.

Having said that, I would LOVE to see Gumiho in the ace match (IF there is one, pretty big IF). CJ could prepare him with 2 very specific builds, one in TvP and one in TvZ. Gumiho lives for those team league moments.

CJ fighting!
Jowj
Profile Joined June 2012
United States248 Posts
July 22 2014 17:24 GMT
#36
GODDAMNIT. Someone told me CJ won and spoilered me before I could watch VODS so I went and watched VODS expecting a CJ win and was doubly crushed :\ CJ you are wonderful, I love you still.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 23 2014 11:16 GMT
#37
On July 22 2014 02:43 Zealously wrote:
The CJ fan in me says:

Dark < Hush
Classic < Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
Parting < herO
Soulkey vs Effort

SKT 1-4 CJ

Sora won't win a thing

on the other hand, I said the same thing about effort during a certain proleague round playoff.
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