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XXTN
United States124 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() While the USA suffered a heartbreaking loss to Belgium in the World Cup, Americans can still take solace in the fact that Captain America aka ![]() After dropping his first series, ![]() Tune in tomorrow for the final group of the WCS AM Ro16 featuring ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
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Friedobert
Germany38 Posts
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:20 MirageTaN wrote: And they said terrans needed a buff... Because two of the best Terrans destroying medicore Zergs is an indicator of balance. and Bomber even lost his first series (because he played stupid) | ||
Novacute
Australia313 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:25 BlackCompany wrote: Because two of the best Terrans destroying medicore Zergs is an indicator of balance. and Bomber even lost his first series (because he played stupid) Precisely this. I'm sure the game will be much more enjoyable with more Terrans, unless you only like watching ZvP, PvP or ZvP. | ||
Aelendis
Belgium892 Posts
Better luck next time, I hope... | ||
Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:25 BlackCompany wrote: Because two of the best Terrans destroying medicore Zergs is an indicator of balance. and Bomber even lost his first series (because he played stupid) Yea i dont understand why he goes for gasless fast 3 cc, allows the zerg to drone up too easily | ||
braller
96 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:10 XXTN wrote: If there’s anything we learned about Bomber today, it’s that he hates clearing creep, building a 4th cc, and using mines. In the end though, it did not cost him a trip to the quarterfinals. He won a Season Finals with the innovative strategy of not splitting marines against banelings, so maybe he's on to something here. | ||
forcerk
Germany4 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:25 BlackCompany wrote: Because two of the best Terrans destroying medicore Zergs is an indicator of balance. and Bomber even lost his first series (because he played stupid) Normaly people say Terran is underpowered because there was only one Terran left in the GSL R8. So he wanted to say that Terran is OP because there are 3 Terran in the WCS NA R8 with a potential of being 5 Terrans after the last group. Neither one of the statements showing if a race is overpowered or underpowered. It should just bring up the meaningless of such posts. | ||
Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
OT: I was really dissapointed toodming couldn't finish it off. He's entertaining to watch. | ||
jimmy11111
Germany278 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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ManiacUA
Ukraine29 Posts
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Mojito99
Germany154 Posts
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Nnoitra
Portugal7 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:03 ManiacUA wrote: I feel like i needed to tell my theory about this group of WCS NA. I feel like Bomber just planned to lose his first match because he wouldn't like to show his TvT builds in next match vs Polt whom he expected to win in match Polt-Check. You know WCS RO8 can have like 4-5 terrans and it means some TvT are finally going to occur. So probably Bomber was sure about his TvZ to let himself go easy on TooDiming first match. #mindgames! Yep i agree also think the same. Bomber lost on purpose his 1st match against TooD to avoid Polt. The way he played makes no sense at all unless he wanted to lose. | ||
Waise
3165 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:03 ManiacUA wrote: I feel like i needed to tell my theory about this group of WCS NA. I feel like Bomber just planned to lose his first match because he wouldn't like to show his TvT builds in next match vs Polt whom he expected to win in match Polt-Check. You know WCS RO8 can have like 4-5 terrans and it means some TvT are finally going to occur. So probably Bomber was sure about his TvZ to let himself go easy on TooDiming first match. #mindgames! some of you people are much, much too bored | ||
Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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Varroth
Sweden471 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle | ||
y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 ThomasjServo wrote: No buff for Terran now. I think Bomber has been killing buffs for a while (only to lose immediately after buffs have been cancelled) | ||
MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle HAHAHA Agreed | ||
Twine
France246 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle EDIT: read wrong ![]() | ||
Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
☐ REKT ☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT Bomber 5 eva. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:14 Wintex wrote: ☐ Not REKT ☐ REKT ☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT Bomber 5 eva. How did you do those checkboxes? | ||
TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:59 Ctone23 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Aw, that's cute. Two former GSL/WCS champions barely advance vs. mid-tier zerg players and Terran is just fine, right.. Because that's exactly what he said. | ||
oxxo
988 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Back in the day it was Z that was known to be the whiny race... it cycles. | ||
klipik12
United States241 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:20 MirageTaN wrote: And they said terrans needed a buff... I watched those games with ZParcraft in mind, looking for the imblances the guy talked about, before I realized that Bomber and Polt were way better than their opponents and it was kind of pointless. | ||
Waise
3165 Posts
On July 02 2014 23:01 oxxo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Back in the day it was Z that was known to be the whiny race... it cycles. every race has an equal distribution of whiners, and how whiny you think a certain race seems is a function of the overall community assessment of balance (i.e. how "acceptable" it is to whine about something) + your personal bias about balance and your own matchups this idea that there's some kind of genetic predisposition that makes people both pick race xyz and whine a lot is hysterically funny | ||
Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:39 Nebuchad wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:59 Ctone23 wrote: On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Aw, that's cute. Two former GSL/WCS champions barely advance vs. mid-tier zerg players and Terran is just fine, right.. Because that's exactly what he said. Oops I read his post wrong. Sorry ![]() | ||
KTP_TV
France42 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:19 Big-t wrote: Hmm I want Major and Teaja to advance in Goup D. That would make 5/8 terrans^^ Yeah I'd love that too, 5/8 is a pretty good ratio for terran to maybe reach the finals and die there :D Seriously though, I'd love it, I miss good TvT these days. | ||
Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle HAHAHA Agreed Never forget Sad Zealot. | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle HAHAHA Agreed completely agree.... especially about the protoss in the middle thing. Winning left and right, complaining about widow mine. The moment toss isn't good, just mace a sad zealot club. Even TL Staff agree, that the biggest wave of whine was from the toss side... Zerg whined so long, they got a buff to queens that completely turned the early TvZ around, althogh winning rates already were above 50% because of BL Winfestor... no sorry, but TvP is a mess still, and will still be with the buffs, because this matchup has so many problems... not just one. I agree that Terran whine was there from the beginning - but so was even more Z or P whine because of GomTvT, that was before Zerg and Protoss figured out how to use and abuse their abilties, win left and right and in the end because of overbuffing P and Z, and overnerfing T, WoL was also WoPvZ. And the ammount of mirror matchups of Protoss or Zerg, or the ammount of PVZs lately is in no way a sign of imbalance in the game to you, right? That like 90% of the Code S are P or Z isn't either, right... | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:19 The_Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 22:14 Wintex wrote: ☐ Not REKT ☐ REKT ☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT Bomber 5 eva. How did you do those checkboxes? he may have looked at the ASCII Table? On July 02 2014 21:58 Twine wrote: medivacs and mines may going to be buffed, but stimpack is going to be removed then xD I'd agree to that: they should remove everything that was balanced in Brood War and create completely new things, so they can finally start calling it Starcraft 2, not starcraft 3D (btw I am just kidding, I know these are 2 completely different games) | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle terrans biggest whiners is right ^^ but the reason zergs not whine is cause they are nr1 flamers ![]() | ||
neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle They all do it. Remember sad zealot fan club? Zerg and protoss only stopped whining when less than 10% of the players in Code S were terrans. And zerg still whine about protoss, and recently about hellbat timings (which is puzzling, seeing these chinese guys defending it from top KR terrans with lings only...). Protoss players all stopped whining near the end of last year for some reason. I'm happy Bomber made it through! His style is so cool B) | ||
BerryCruncH
13 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Terran is currently the most whiny because they actually have things to whine about. Though Zerg is just as whiny, about even sillier things like the 1 in 100 mass raven game and mules and about protoss in general... Give me a break Zergs still complain about mules being op that's about as whiny as it gets. Protoss is definitely the least whiny by far because they are too busy telling people to l2p and being douche bags acting like their race is doing so well because they have the better players. | ||
jodwin
Finland18 Posts
On July 02 2014 23:03 klipik12 wrote: I watched those games with ZParcraft in mind, looking for the imblances the guy talked about, before I realized that Bomber and Polt were way better than their opponents and it was kind of pointless. Absolutely have to agree with you there. Bomber's game against Toodming on Merry Go Round is probably going to be talked about the most in regards to how there's nothing wrong with Terran, but... Even though Toodming went for insane economic cheese in that game, and got away with it because Bomber played like he often does, Toodming's army compositions and questionable engagements lost him the game - not mules or marines. Toodming never took more than six gasses, so he barely was able to afford about 20 mutas and banes at a time, while having over 100 lings in his armies. The main reason why Zergs have been doing so well against Terrans lately has been because they've easily got their four-base economies producing gas for lots of mutas and banes, but Toodming never took those extra gasses so his extra bases were almost pointless. Not to mention trying to attack without bane speed against tanks or using less than 20 mutas to fight marines with medivacs in the first engagements... | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
On July 03 2014 00:54 BerryCruncH wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Terran is currently the most whiny because they actually have things to whine about. Though Zerg is just as whiny, about even sillier things like the 1 in 100 mass raven game and mules and about protoss in general... Give me a break Zergs still complain about mules being op that's about as whiny as it gets. Protoss is definitely the least whiny by far because they are too busy telling people to l2p and being douche bags acting like their race is doing so well because they have the better players. funny thing is it was proven 100x that mules don't outweight 7 units (that could mine) out of one cheap building. but since the early WOL days, where maps were small and terran allins really were strong, that the mule mythos stands. but I guess those who complain should then switch to the IMBA races to see for themselfes. I did that and was surprised, now I only whine about the things that really don't appear be right. Problem is also that the game may be balanced or only slightly off balance in Korean GM but the farther you go down the bigger the balance gap gets and therefore we see no foreign Terran winning something and therefore even more the problem: the players. The game gets more and more annoying to the 99% here that are not pros but play for the fun, blizzard should actually also care about them a bit. | ||
Trustworthy-Tony
Tanzania187 Posts
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Josh_Video
Canada798 Posts
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eightym
United States76 Posts
Then turn around and say, "The game is balanced because a top Korean beat a foreigner" Notice that the smart non-terrans aren't saying anything. There's nothing they could say, because Terran is undeniably, 100%, underpowered right now. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:25 BlackCompany wrote: Because two of the best Terrans destroying medicore Zergs is an indicator of balance. and Bomber even lost his first series (because he played stupid) And they say people don't understand sarcasm... | ||
Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
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bosshd
Belgium72 Posts
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle Ive found people from Sweden to whine the most. | ||
magicallypuzzled
United States588 Posts
On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle well you certainly wouldn't have been able to say that when idra was playing. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On July 03 2014 03:37 magicallypuzzled wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle well you certainly wouldn't have been able to say that when idra was playing. IdrA used to play as Terran. | ||
Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:19 The_Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 22:14 Wintex wrote: ☐ Not REKT ☐ REKT ☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT Bomber 5 eva. How did you do those checkboxes? Uh, Google or alt-keybinds | ||
Radicalness
United States271 Posts
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TFOG
United States5 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:25 BlackCompany wrote: Because two of the best Terrans destroying medicore Zergs is an indicator of balance. and Bomber even lost his first series (because he played stupid) Incorrect. According to Bomber, he lost his first series because he was hungry. He said so himself in the post interview after 2-0ing toodming. | ||
Friedobert
Germany38 Posts
On July 03 2014 03:37 magicallypuzzled wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle well you certainly wouldn't have been able to say that when idra was playing. Well, nowadys we've "he who should not be named" (the sc2 version, avilo, not sAviOr) and this guy whines. still, saying that 'one race whines the most' is childish and fashist. i don't even know why we are discussing this here. | ||
HellNino
France156 Posts
On July 03 2014 17:12 Friedobert wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2014 03:37 magicallypuzzled wrote: On July 02 2014 21:47 Varroth wrote: On July 02 2014 21:20 Gwavajuice wrote: Next steps : major and taeja qualify in next group, a disgrunted protoss write a 100 000 words wall of text and david kim buffs zealot charge. Anyway, too bad Toodming couldn't make it, the more chinese in big tournaments the better for sc2 imho.. I've found terrans to be the biggest whiners...even when they've been op and zerg to be the least whiny with protoss somewhere in the middle well you certainly wouldn't have been able to say that when idra was playing. Well, nowadys we've "he who should not be named" (the sc2 version, avilo, not sAviOr) and this guy whines. still, saying that 'one race whines the most' is childish and fashist. i don't even know why we are discussing this here. I can see why it's childish, but i fail to see why it would be fascist :O (plus you spelled it wrong ![]() | ||
Maniak_
France305 Posts
On July 03 2014 01:53 eightym wrote: Notice that the smart non-terrans aren't saying anything. There's nothing they could say, because Terran is undeniably, 100%, underpowered right now. Or they just know it's useless to say anything, since it'd be instant-whine&flame wars, so they don't even try and simply watch from afar, shaking their heads. Or they simply don't care and don't spend hours watching the various topics about how terrans can't win anything. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:20 MirageTaN wrote: And they said terrans needed a buff... But don't you miss the days of GomTvT? | ||
Axxis
United States133 Posts
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