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On June 29 2014 21:03 FeyFey wrote:
I liked the theDwf warning at the start of the article, guess some missed that. ^^;
So a warning at the start of the article should allow him to whine at will and fuel the hatred of pretty much most of Terran players?
Don't get me wrong. I think he is generally right in the statement that Terran has issues. But the way he says it and some of the incredibly biaised arguments and examples he uses makes me question the purpose of this editorial. At first when I read the headlines I thought it was an elaborate joke but unlike the great book of Protoss bullshit, this looks pretty self-serious to me. I don't think another witch hunt is the right way to make SC2 a better place.
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On June 29 2014 21:12 MiniFotToss wrote:Thanks for pointing that out, you guys who think Terran needs to be on top again is stupid, Terran already had its prime, time for P&Z to have some glory, maybe terran will get some back in LOTS, but now it
Do you realize how dumb of an argument you're making? The game should be balanced, not have races take turns being strong and weak. Nobody wants GOMTvT to return. We just want more equal representation.
On June 29 2014 20:49 PPN wrote:
While I share the opinion (and I think nobody can disagree with it) that there is an issue with Terran at pro level, I'm definitely baffled by some of your arguments and skewed numbers just to prove your points. I am too lazy to list them in a neat way and I think you are perfectly aware of what you are doing. There is really no need to do that to make your statement.
You are neither helping the cause (something must definitely be done for Terran, and I personally don't believe boring campfest mech is the key) nor promoting a healthy behaviour on forums and ladder. So many players already assume they lose because their race is weak, not because they are terrible at SC2 (regardless of whether it be true or not, it is just not the right mindset).
I'm enjoying less and less playing ladder and reading forum, twitter and stuff about SC2, not because the game is not fun anymore, but because the number of bad mannered jerks increased. It's becoming irationnal and this is fueling their self-entitlement.
And I can pretty much agree with this. Terran is in a somewhat bad place right now, but people really need to stop whining about it. The avilo's of the world do a lot more harm than good with their constant crying about Protoss and/or Zerg.
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Nobody can stop the terran, WE WILL RESURFACE AND OWN NERDS.
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Really really good article. Took me 45 mins. I'm sure you could argue about a lot of points, but I really like the way this article looks at the overall picture of what the various patches changed.
Great insight.
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So that post basically disregard ANY of P or Z skill level, gets a whole page dedicated to shit on TALENTED players ( soO for instance ) and funny enough is that a lot people praise it.
Even more funny is that whenever you play ladder as P or Z, if you win , you get shat by the PROTOSS OP or A MOVE ZERG SCRUB catch-phrase by the so nice, good mannered and skillfull terran community.
It feels like that according to the terran community is:
soO = No Talent
Rain = No Talent
Zest = No Talent
And in the moment im writing this, bbyong made a series of stupid mistakes vs Soulkey, STILL '' Zerg OP''
Absolutly annoying.
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First, people are easy to forget that the era when Terran was considered most OP is probably the longest (since Beta up to a good majority of 2011, even Blizzard included a statement in their April Fools' patch notes that they fixed a bug in which Terran players could lose), so the era of "OP" is pretty fair for Terran Zerg and Protoss.
Second, a lot of pros' perspectives are being ignored. Maru's best matchup is TvP, INnoVation mentioned in an interview that he never thought Terran was particularly bad, and the current rank 1 GM in Korea is a Terran.
I do think something needs to be done about Terran in order to make their mechanics a bit easier (I think their engagement micro is the most difficult among the three races). But at the same time I don't think anybody particularly thinks it's currently easy to face a Terran on ladder or a tournament as of now. Mistakes being unforgiven? What about Terran drops annihilating an entire mineral line because the player didn't pay attention for 3 seconds, think that's unforgiving enough? As a toss player, I have ~41% winrate against Terran in ladder and even in Korean forums like PlayXP, no Protoss player says "yeah Terrans are basically freewins on ladder. 1A ez" EVER.
I have a lot of Terran players I like and would like a small adjustment to balance, as I think from tournament results they are a bit underpowered (although I suck at PvT personally), but it's not like the race is unplayable. People are too quick to exaggerate the state of the game
Edit: according to recent stats, the 3 races have very similar numbers of players, so I deleted my previous argument about Protoss having more GMs cuz they have more players.
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I missed the time when Zergs and Protosses whining about Thor/Tank/Widow Mines damages... 
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The odd feeling when you know deep down soo would beat maru in tvt.
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Wow, this is the ultimate balance whine and feels like it belongs in Designated Balance Discussion Thread.
While it's obvious to anyone that Terran is weaker than other races right now, I can't stand all this portrayal of Terran race as one requiring the ultimate skill while other races are a-moving ones. It's hard to take this article seriously when every paragraph has a cleverly concealed balance whine. Every game is analyzed with strict bias towards Terran. If you go and write a doctorate as to why Terran is weak, at least try to pretend to be objective.
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Yes, there are many good points but the amount of hate makes it unreadable.
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Despite the fact that I'm a zerg player i agree that it's frustrating how little micro it takes nowadays especially in comparison to ZvZ bane wars. It's a pity that DK decide that it's a good ide to make zerg do some brain dead crap like injecting larvae on autopilot instead of micro to make players hands artificially busy.
And it's absolutely outrageous how TvP coin-flippy nature blooms at the ladder. Protoss player can choose heads or tails and be the grand master of one build while terran has to master all the counters for both heads and tails + be able to predict RNG.
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Maybe Terran is balanced, but to play them needs almost perfect games, like few mistakes for terran might be a lose for terran, but for other races if you do few mistakes you still have that chance.
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Wow alot of effort went into the main topic props to TheDwf.
This is just like BW ending deja-vu all over again and this is starting to go onto an abrupt ending.
Funny thing is Terran was op just with the Korean apm, rest was always fine, bunch of comunity whiners destroyed the race balance.
I hope DK reads this and stops going : "OMG I`ll upset X or Y unless I do something, here have a 5s bunker time decrease.There now Terran is fixed" and actualy takes the scalpel and does a proper surgery to save the Terran.
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Thank you for the topic TheDwf, i had a good read. Lets hope well get the balance get back to a better state.
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I was hoping for another article by Ver :p
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Why all Protoss players says that the game is balanced? I am not on that level to whine, but when I watch some pro Protosses they sometimes say that the game is balanced they just made some mistakes?
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On June 29 2014 20:49 PPN wrote:
While I share the opinion (and I think nobody can disagree with it) that there is an issue with Terran at pro level, I'm definitely baffled by some of your arguments and skewed numbers just to prove your points. I am too lazy to list them in a neat way and I think you are perfectly aware of what you are doing. There is really no need to do that to make your statement.
You are neither helping the cause (something must definitely be done for Terran, and I personally don't believe boring campfest mech is the key) nor promoting a healthy behaviour on forums and ladder. So many players already assume they lose because their race is weak, not because they are terrible at SC2 (regardless of whether it be true or not, it is just not the right mindset).
I'm enjoying less and less playing ladder and reading forum, twitter and stuff about SC2, not because the game is not fun anymore, but because the number of bad mannered jerks increased. It's becoming irationnal and this is fueling their self-entitlement.
And this guy says what a good portion of readers feel after reading this blatantly biased editorial, and about the SC2 scene in general. People whine at pros for being unprofessional when they leave without gg or complain about balance, and yet the community does the exact same thing, if not much worse.
Also has TL really succumbed to promoting such obviously distorted-in-one-side's-favor editorials? The Protoss Book of BS was at least funny and with real content. I honestly don't know what this editorial hopes to establish
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I mean, everything stated in this article has been pretty obvious to anyone who followed the Korean scene for a couple years.
Thanks for the write-up.
On June 29 2014 21:36 Picasso wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 20:49 PPN wrote:
While I share the opinion (and I think nobody can disagree with it) that there is an issue with Terran at pro level, I'm definitely baffled by some of your arguments and skewed numbers just to prove your points. I am too lazy to list them in a neat way and I think you are perfectly aware of what you are doing. There is really no need to do that to make your statement.
You are neither helping the cause (something must definitely be done for Terran, and I personally don't believe boring campfest mech is the key) nor promoting a healthy behaviour on forums and ladder. So many players already assume they lose because their race is weak, not because they are terrible at SC2 (regardless of whether it be true or not, it is just not the right mindset).
I'm enjoying less and less playing ladder and reading forum, twitter and stuff about SC2, not because the game is not fun anymore, but because the number of bad mannered jerks increased. It's becoming irationnal and this is fueling their self-entitlement. Also has TL really succumbed to promoting such obviously distorted-in-one-side's-favor editorials? The Protoss Book of BS was at least funny and with real content. I honestly don't know what this editorial hopes to establish
Maybe some TL writers don't believe the game is balanced? If you don't like it, make your own website.
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wow u put so much effort in this 
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