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Terence Chill
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany112 Posts
October 04 2014 13:39 GMT
#1341
are you guys happy now? dont forget to push this thread if terran loses a game!!!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 13:46:56
October 04 2014 13:42 GMT
#1342
How could they be happy ? Zest, that patchtoss, can still win a premier tournament. It clearly proves that P is still OP, the 11 other events won by (mostly) T and Z can be considered irrelevant.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 04 2014 14:05 GMT
#1343
someone should go bump the sad zealot fan club
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Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
October 04 2014 14:06 GMT
#1344
On October 04 2014 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:
How could they be happy ? Zest, that patchtoss, can still win a premier tournament. It clearly proves that P is still OP, the 11 other events won by (mostly) T and Z can be considered irrelevant.


Well TvZ GSL finals so protoss is OP!!! :D :D
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 14:27:44
October 04 2014 14:26 GMT
#1345
On October 04 2014 23:05 Shellshock wrote:
someone should go bump the sad zealot fan club


Yeah it's about time !!! (to be clear I'm joking, P is clearly not UP atm, I love the current state of the game)
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 04 2014 14:28 GMT
#1346
On October 04 2014 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 23:05 Shellshock wrote:
someone should go bump the sad zealot fan club


Yeah it's about time !!! (to be clear I'm joking, P is clearly not UP atm, I love the current state of the game)

I was just joking too. it's usually funny when things like that get bumped. like they used to do with the elephant in the room article every once in a while last year
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
August 17 2016 14:11 GMT
#1347
I hope the mods dont get mad at me for this, but i believe this article is one of the most important things written in SC2's History.

The reason i'm bumping this is because of current PvT in Korea having shocking similarity's to the 2014 blink era. My points are as follows:

* An early attack pins the other player in his base and makes him invest in tanks and static defense to survive.

* The attack use's units that can quickly get from one place to another

* normally accompanied by a warp prism

* The attack can end the game instantly, and the other player cant counter attack or get a build order win to punish the aggressive protoss player.

* The protoss can fake the attack, take an economic lead and then transition into a mid and lategame, getting an army that's too big for the terran player to counter and win.


When i look at these similarity's i see that the 2 build orders function nearly identically.

After this brilliant article was created, blizzard implemented the widow mine change, that allowed it to act as a counter to a blink all in, by killing a protoss players economy.

Since then Photon overcharge has changed to pylons and when 2 are cast, they can snipe widow mines before they burrow, effectively killing this as a strategy and a counter to Adepts.

I was hoping that by bumping this thread we can have a discussion on this aspect of TvP, as well as let newer players that havn't read this amazing article a chance at reading it.

Thanks in advance
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 17 2016 16:27 GMT
#1348
TY is still flying that banner boys.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
August 17 2016 16:35 GMT
#1349
@Bodzilla, look at the massive list of upcoming balance changes that are announced. Discussing the balance of the current game isn't very relevant.
evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
August 17 2016 16:36 GMT
#1350
what a joke of an article. cant believe TL posts such a biased, opinionated and stacked with false information / false interpretation of information pile of garbage as an official article. should be a post on battle net forums instead.

User was warned for this post
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 17 2016 16:44 GMT
#1351
Well just got up, I guess Maru loss.

Yep indeed.
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-17 17:34:33
August 17 2016 17:33 GMT
#1352
On August 18 2016 01:36 evolsiefil wrote:
what a joke of an article. cant believe TL posts such a biased, opinionated and stacked with false information / false interpretation of information pile of garbage as an official article. should be a post on battle net forums instead.



This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf).

It's an opinion piece from 2014. If anything here is Bnet level it's your kneejerk reaction.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Primelot
Profile Joined January 2014
51 Posts
August 17 2016 18:01 GMT
#1353
Nah cmon SCV Pulls fucked me so much in Hots and also i saw quite alot of Tosses lose to that
YenFu
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada6 Posts
January 28 2017 21:34 GMT
#1354
BUMP.

Although the circumstances are different, I think we can all agree we're back to ZParcraft.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
January 28 2017 21:46 GMT
#1355
On January 29 2017 06:34 YenFu wrote:
BUMP.

Although the circumstances are different, I think we can all agree we're back to ZParcraft.

...how exactly?

ZvT is at 50%, TvP at 60%. and Terran is the worst one?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-28 21:54:18
January 28 2017 21:53 GMT
#1356
On January 29 2017 06:34 YenFu wrote:
BUMP.

Although the circumstances are different, I think we can all agree we're back to ZParcraft.

What?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
January 28 2017 21:54 GMT
#1357
On January 29 2017 06:34 YenFu wrote:
BUMP.

Although the circumstances are different, I think we can all agree we're back to ZParcraft.


Yeah, nah.
sketch90
Profile Joined November 2015
4 Posts
January 28 2017 21:58 GMT
#1358
Zparcraft never changes. Innovation mech in late HOTS? Mech is broken, nerf please.
Zest is out of code S, TY finally won something? Terran too strong obv.
And they announce another nerf right before Stats and Classic games in GSL...
CharAznable2
Profile Joined July 2015
26 Posts
January 28 2017 22:26 GMT
#1359
Blizzard is just fast to nerf terran (remember thorzain`s build? mine nerf in this post?) and slow to nerf zerg (lings of liberty) and protoss (blink era).
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
January 28 2017 23:36 GMT
#1360
the most effort ive seen in a balance whine in a long time..

in all seriousness nice article it was a fun read, even from a zerg player
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