Welcome to ZParcraft II - Page 67

On July 11 2014 16:38 Inertiaddict wrote:
What a great read. They're all generally great, but I thoroughly enjoyed this one especially.

I was worried about this expansion from the second we began getting information about it.
At the height of my ability at the end of WoL I was a Diamond Terran. Top 8, I was trying very hard to get Master. It never happened and when HotS came out I descended to Gold. I'm "bad", and I'm fine with that, I really don't care, I'm just writing this here to give you the satisfaction of letting you know I'm some mid-level random NA Terran.

This article does a wonderful job of articulating the frustration that I feel about the game. Let me tell you, I love the Terran race. It's pretty exciting to see the professionals play it. They're great at it. It's not always a whole of fun for me to actually play, though. I personally dislike the new Terran army. The reason I dislike it is because it's basically the old Terran army with some Widow Mines sprinkled in and somewhat-quicker Medivacs.

I don't go out of my way to rant about the game. I love the game and though I play it less, I still play it, and I will play LotV when that arrives, too. What I wish I saw, and what breaks my heart, is that the Terran units don't come from a cool enough place. They don't seem to be inspired by the challenges that Terran's face from the other two races.

For example, I don't like the Widow Mine as it is. It's stupid that it's both autonomous yet it costs food. That just doesn't make sense. It's also not a Mine in any sense. It's a burrowed missile deployment system.

I think it'd be as cool idea if the Widow Mine was a researched upgrade to the Siege Tank and that they collaborated together. Imagine a Siege Tank that had a Widow Mine on it that was deployable much like they are now (and maybe they could shoot in the air while docked on the tank so they aren't useless). I would add one other change, too. I would try letting them function like mini-sensor towers (only) when buried, and they would detect burrowed units since they're in the ground.

Ghosts should be able to put personal force fields on other biological units as another way to deal with Banelings and we could say that this is adapted Sentry technology borrowed/stole/reverse-engineered from the Protoss during their WoL clashes.

Humans would do this. They'd behave like this. They'd take what they have and they'd improve upon it or combine it. Protoss have their psionics. Zerg have their bio-mutations. Terran has their resourcefulness and adaptable technology.

I don't know, maybe my ideas aren't good, or they wouldn't hold up to balance testing, but like, this article sums it up when it says that Terran is an expansion behind. I wonder if they're going to go bio?

On July 09 2014 09:31 Pursuit_ wrote:
When I tried teaching my girlfriend Starcraft 2 for awhile, her Zerg APM was about 2x her Terran or Protoss APM simply because of the way production works. She didn't use creep spread / scout with her overlords at all, but clicking 6 f1 v f2 v f3 v then pressing d and holding down z (or whatever hotkey) then ctrl click eggs and add to control group gave her 500+ APM spikes and took her very little time after ~1 week. This used higher APM than the equivalent Terran process, which for my hotkey setup making only marine + mauader / tank / medivac, 6 + y + h X number of times, 7 + u X number of times, 8 + i X number of times, where X = production you have available (could also use tab since all production is hotkeyed to 6 as well to make rally points easier), then move screen to where your rally point is set and add units to correct control groups, remember to click f1 or f2 or f3 to make depots periodically not even worrying about building placement which is a huge deal, remember to be adding production at specific times in places where add-ons can go and wont block units out, when I tried to teach her any build order that included add-on swapping she just stared at me pleadingly.

My Zerg apm might be pretty consistently 30-50% higher than my Terran apm, but I personally feel like Terran production is far, far more demanding mechanically ( edit: ) and requires far more decision making, and takes up far more time.

On July 19 2014 23:41 pimsc2 wrote:


Zerg requires more "apm" overall yes. However these are mindless apm most of the time. You don't need to think that much for 80% of these apm. It's just put more creep, inject more, & produce more drones / army you have chosen. The big engagements themselves are really, really, really straightforward, as lings, banelings, ultras, are melee units with small micro potential. Also you don't need to be as careful as terran with scouting, because there is almost no all ins coming from terran except 2 rax, while terrans have to scout constantly, because even if we see a third, you can still all-in at 7:30…

Terran might require 30% less apm but they are ALL crucial & game changer, from a single supply depot lowered, a fast repair, a drop, base building with addon switching everywhere, scouting with reaper while avoiding queens & lings, preparing small groups of marines in each base against mutas, constant splitting & creep denying, etc etc etc…

On July 08 2014 17:19 neptunusfisk wrote:


TLO switched from terran to zerg when he got the problems iirc

On July 20 2014 03:47 JIJI_ wrote:
a big issue on the ladder is that zerg town halls are also their production, so when a zerg takes a fast 3rd you have to KEEP scouting all the time to see drone saturation because in reality dropping 3 fast hatches is almost like dropping a ton of gateways or rax....production will be boosted a lot, but when u see a bunch of gateways or rax it is much easier to scout than having to constantly monitor zerg production cycles to see what they build

the hellbat buff actually made this worse :x lol now when I see roaches or roach warren it can easily just be a small amount for defense, before zerg never made defensive roaches it def helps them sneak in like a 1/1 roach timing easier without me expecting it

also on a sidenote i think the creep meckanic in sc2 is not done well, spreading creep as a zerg is easy, but it is mundane boring tedious unexciting not to mention fights on creep = very zerg favored, fights off creep = very terran favored

On July 23 2014 14:31 Joedaddy wrote:
Dwf saving e-sports!!! You gotta feel pretty good that less than a month after posting this we have a confirmed Terran buff patch coming!

On July 24 2014 00:54 FLORIDACOMPACT wrote:



yeah, we should be really thankful. it's sad that it has come this far in the first place though.