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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
June 09 2014 19:59 GMT
#21
I really feel like they should be. WCS points should be a way to measure player skill and I really think there should be alternative ways to earn points. Hell, I would even say that players should be able to earn points from laddering (assuming it will be balanced out).
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 20:02:24
June 09 2014 20:01 GMT
#22
On June 10 2014 04:05 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 03:50 DifuntO wrote:
No because it's like an invite only tournament(in a way),most players cannot participate which means it cannot give any WCS points.


the hypocrisy that consist to ignore the cost of going to a dh/IEM is pretty huge imo. You cannot stay it's totally free of access if you consider that it can cost more than 1k$ depending from where you live.


Cost is irrelevant.You can participate no matter where you live,there are no restrictions.If you can't go that's your problem.

If Koreans want to,they should host a tournament in Korea,open to everybody in other regions and i'm sure Blizz will give them the same amount of wcs points as DH/IEM.
All I do is Stim.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 09 2014 20:08 GMT
#23
On June 10 2014 05:01 DifuntO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 04:05 sAsImre wrote:
On June 10 2014 03:50 DifuntO wrote:
No because it's like an invite only tournament(in a way),most players cannot participate which means it cannot give any WCS points.


the hypocrisy that consist to ignore the cost of going to a dh/IEM is pretty huge imo. You cannot stay it's totally free of access if you consider that it can cost more than 1k$ depending from where you live.


Cost is irrelevant.You can participate no matter where you live,there are no restrictions.If you can't go that's your problem.

If Koreans want to,they should host a tournament in Korea,open to everybody in other regions and i'm sure Blizz will give them the same amount of wcs points as DH/IEM.


reality is irrelevant only theory matters.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
June 09 2014 20:12 GMT
#24
KeSPA is sending top PL performers to foreign tournaments. They'll be fine.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 20:14:33
June 09 2014 20:13 GMT
#25
On June 10 2014 04:56 sAsImre wrote:
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On June 10 2014 04:55 Musicus wrote:
No, the players don't even have a say in who gets to play. What about the b-teamers? WCS tournaments have to be open to everyone. Proleague is a closed system where the coaches decide who gets to play. I'd rather see WCS points gone from all the other tournaments like DH and IEM.


the openess is a joke considering the costs involved and the strain travelling put on actual practice.


Yep I agree, but giving WCS points for Proleague is no solution imo. Restrict WCS points to WCS/GSL. I dislike how IEM/DH etc. have become qualifiers for Blizzcon anyway, they have their own championships.

The other solution would be more open tournaments on Korean soil, but that's unrealistic. There will at least be the one Kespa tournament later this year with the top2 from each region plus Proleague and open qualifiers I think.

On June 10 2014 05:12 digmouse wrote:
KeSPA is sending top PL performers to foreign tournaments. They'll be fine.


That's true.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 20:16:44
June 09 2014 20:15 GMT
#26
Just change the points in the GSL to:

Code S: 1st - 2500
2nd - 1500
3-4 - 1000
4-8 - 750
9-12 - 500
13-16 - 400
17-24 - 300
25-32 - 200

Code A 25-48: 100

That way those who play in the GSL benefit which is mostly Kespa players.

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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 09 2014 20:17 GMT
#27
On June 10 2014 05:12 digmouse wrote:
KeSPA is sending top PL performers to foreign tournaments. They'll be fine.


yeah the burden is more for those who'll get a/some good wcs performance and nothing else (paralyze, classic...)
Zest fanboy.
Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
June 09 2014 20:21 GMT
#28
On June 10 2014 03:23 Ribbon wrote:
Rain, Soo, Sos, (CJ) Hero, and Zest are all currently Kespa players in the top 16 right now. Maru is close to top 16 as well.

KeSPA players shouldn't get sympathy points because they don't feel like playing in singles tournaments.


Um your statement makes no sense whatsoever. Why would the players that you mentioned NOT want to play in singles tournaments? LOL... It's advantageous to them because they're better than most of their competition = free money and fame. It's that they CAN'T compete due to tight rules with the team and proleague. Why do you think players like innovation left a korean team? It's to be able to play more singles tournaments.
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
June 09 2014 20:30 GMT
#29
On June 10 2014 05:15 AWalker9 wrote:
Just change the points in the GSL to:

Code S: 1st - 2500
2nd - 1500
3-4 - 1000
4-8 - 750
9-12 - 500
13-16 - 400
17-24 - 300
25-32 - 200

Code A 25-48: 100

That way those who play in the GSL benefit which is mostly Kespa players.



This way we can basically lock down 3 spots for blizzcon for each GSL winners. Not the best option imo
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 09 2014 20:30 GMT
#30
On June 10 2014 05:21 Fall.182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 03:23 Ribbon wrote:
Rain, Soo, Sos, (CJ) Hero, and Zest are all currently Kespa players in the top 16 right now. Maru is close to top 16 as well.

KeSPA players shouldn't get sympathy points because they don't feel like playing in singles tournaments.


Um your statement makes no sense whatsoever. Why would the players that you mentioned NOT want to play in singles tournaments? LOL... It's advantageous to them because they're better than most of their competition = free money and fame. It's that they CAN'T compete due to tight rules with the team and proleague. Why do you think players like innovation left a korean team? It's to be able to play more singles tournaments.


or because his team disbanded due to the fact STX had financial problems? Rewriting history is a cool hobby tho.
Zest fanboy.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 20:33:13
June 09 2014 20:31 GMT
#31
Err lol. Maybe award some WCS points to Looping Louie too!
Teamleauges are different. Stop mixing them with single performances.
(Can I remind you Sirs how big the uproar was when it was revealed that WCS KR/EU/NA had different group-formats etc.)
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 09 2014 20:36 GMT
#32
Wouldn't that like completely miss the whole point of the WCS? The whole system is purportedly skewed towards non-Korean events so that SC2 doesn't end up being a Korea-only affair like BW. It is just because of the WCS design that we see so many good Koreans outside Korea and the scenes aren't completely disconected.

Also, so, SO many people who do good in PL fail hilariously in individual leagues and vice versa, it just doesn't make sense even when you don't include the outside-of-the-game politics.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
June 09 2014 20:44 GMT
#33
As ProLeague is the most important and most regular league in SC2, they should get WCS points, yes. Not many, but some.
There are so many (offline!!!) PL matches, it is almost impossible for the good players to visit all the events in Europe etc.
rast
Profile Joined July 2012
Poland44 Posts
June 09 2014 21:03 GMT
#34
You either want to participate in a team league or play at Blizconn. Decision is up to you.

Simply - no.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
June 09 2014 21:15 GMT
#35
so you just wanna get sure it will be 16 koreans ? isnt that fair cause its a korean only tournament (since there are the korean teams in it) its like having a local teamleague in usa and use it ... nono i rly would dislike it and i am 100% sure it wont happen
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
June 09 2014 21:18 GMT
#36
I see through your plan to get Flash in the running for blizzcon
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
June 09 2014 21:19 GMT
#37
On June 10 2014 06:15 Drake wrote:
so you just wanna get sure it will be 16 koreans ? isnt that fair cause its a korean only tournament (since there are the korean teams in it) its like having a local teamleague in usa and use it ... nono i rly would dislike it and i am 100% sure it wont happen


I think most want the top 16 best sc2 players, and yes that would most likely mean almost 16 koreans. Honestly I give no fuck about nationality of a player, I want to watch the best.
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Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
June 09 2014 21:21 GMT
#38
I disagree. If a team wishes to participate seriously in proleague, and they do this by not allowing their players to go to foreign events, then that's the team's decision, KESPA koreans should not get special treatment solely because their team takes proleague more seriously than Blizzcon.
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 21:50:24
June 09 2014 21:48 GMT
#39
Also,
There will be a taiwan tournament with wcs points, too, and a good prize money.
Really, if kespa doesn't bother to play in this one, they really don't care
A flight from korea to taiwan can't be that expensive


Of course, there's also the kespa tounament they will do later on
...
Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
June 09 2014 22:25 GMT
#40
Weither they earned WCS points in proleague or in any individual tournaments, I just want to see the top of the top players playing at Blizzcon. Even if it has to be full koreans. I watch SCII for the show, not for cheering for a foreigner.
But this is only my point and I perfectly understand that some people want to support the foreigners ^_^
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