EPTWCS points for top Proleague performers? - Page 3
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:27 caznitch wrote: Would support this for sure. That said I'd support anything to get Flash to Blizzcon, including a rule that states, "Flash is guaranteed a spot in Blizzcon despite performance" Amen. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
We have Zest, Life, herO, sOs, soO and Rain in the top 16. Giving PL players points will turn WCS into a PL only tournament. We already have that, it's called GSL. Just because Flash keeps losing terribly at GSL doesn't mean he should be given sympathy points. The reason KeSPA players don't travel more is because they need to keep in shape and maintain/build up team league strategies. That's their job, and all of the other stuff are perks. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On June 10 2014 03:43 Dingodile wrote: Here we go what I said last year. Stop this silly (WCS Points) dependence of tournaments outside WCS. ProLeague, DH, Redbull, HSC, etc dont need to give WCs points. Only within WCS, nothing else. well thats how you push every tournament out of the scene if you focus everything on WCS. If no tournament outside of the WCS system really matters, players wont travel there anymore, viewers wont watch it and tournament organizers pull out. you get a situation like in League of Legends with LCS. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On June 10 2014 07:57 SpikeStarcraft wrote: well thats how you push every tournament out of the scene if you focus everything on WCS. If no tournament outside of the WCS system really matters, players wont travel there anymore, viewers wont watch it and tournament organizers pull out. you get a situation like in League of Legends with LCS. except that those tournaments provide $$$ | ||
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Penguinator
United States837 Posts
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On June 10 2014 05:30 sAsImre wrote: or because his team disbanded due to the fact STX had financial problems? Rewriting history is a cool hobby tho. And that is why he end up with SKT1 like Soulkey and classic, or Jin air like sOs or IM like Trap ? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On June 10 2014 08:35 Philozovic wrote: And that is why he end up with SKT1 like Soulkey and classic, or Jin air like sOs or IM like Trap ? or teamless like hyvaa. He is still in korea so it wasn't just for the freebies, else he'd be raping the WCS Eu. Who knows what's the deal with acer in terms of salary and co. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26771 Posts
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Zimbu
Finland2 Posts
On June 10 2014 03:50 DifuntO wrote: No because it's like an invite only tournament(in a way),most players cannot participate which means it cannot give any WCS points. Tournament invites are already helping out the non-KeSPA Koreans so much that a few points from a KeSPA-only tournament seems only fair. Asus RoG and HSC are 80% invite only and they mosly invite non-KeSPA (Solar in RoG is the only exception this year). The invites are also going to the same players every time. HerO, for example, hasn't gone through qualifiers to play in a major tournament since IPL 5. On June 10 2014 03:29 Ace Frehley wrote: Next they will want the same for ATC If ATC had 10X the prize pool and was an offline tournament from the beginning, then I would support WCS points for ATC as well. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7886 Posts
On June 10 2014 06:19 sM.Zik wrote: I think most want the top 16 best sc2 players, and yes that would most likely mean almost 16 koreans. Honestly I give no fuck about nationality of a player, I want to watch the best. This pretty much. Why shouldn't PL players get points? Some of the highest level of play... | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
Aren't there going to be enough Koreans at Blizzcon anyways? Much like last year? | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:55 Musicus wrote: No, the players don't even have a say in who gets to play. What about the b-teamers? WCS tournaments have to be open to everyone. Proleague is a closed system where the coaches decide who gets to play. I'd rather see WCS points gone from all the other tournaments like DH and IEM. Not to mention, not all players can even choose to be in PL. It just takes what is a distorted environment, because none of them will ever be perfect, and distorts it further and makes it harder for up and comers to break through. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
I assume we all think Proleague should be a competition where decisions by coaches are made that have the teams' best interest in mind. However what happens if a player who is underperforming for the past three months is really close to having enough points for the WCS Globan Finals and they decide to line him up in order to get some more WCS points? Do we want WCS points to have influence over who gets lined up based on their ranking instead of the merits of their skill? I am not sure if this is a feasible idea. Does anyone have a solution for this problem? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 10 2014 23:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: While I do think these guys deserve WCS points both skill wise as well as competitive wise I'm not sure if this can work. I assume we all think Proleague should be a competition where decisions by coaches are made that have the teams' best interest in mind. However what happens if a player who is underperforming for the past three months is really close to having enough points for the WCS Globan Finals and they decide to line him up in order to get some more WCS points? Do we want WCS points to have influence over who gets lined up based on their ranking instead of the merits of their skill? I am not sure if this is a feasible idea. Does anyone have a solution for this problem? The only remotely feasible thing to do would be to give points to the teams according to their performance, not to individual players. Then each player of the team who is a WCS finals contender would get a bonus added to his pool based on his team (with clear rules about changing teams). It would of course have to be a fairly small amount of points in order not to completely screw up the standings with people who haven't accomplished anything at all. (And me saying this doesn't change the fact that I am against giving any weight to PL at all, because I don't think it really correlates with individual player skill that much.) | ||
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Nine Gates
Finland198 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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