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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On June 10 2014 03:29 AWalker9 wrote: I think maybe one solution would be to give more points to the GSL that allows for Kespa players to build up more over the course of the year. I also think this would be a far better solution. Also, I'd push for non-wcs tournaments to start giving fewer points. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On August 26 2014 01:52 y0su wrote: I also think this would be a far better solution. Also, I'd push for non-wcs tournaments to start giving fewer points. First priority has to be getting rid of WCS points for invites. That makes a farce of any competitive integrity of WCS. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Can't really understand why people want to support Kespa anyway if they want to see the best of the best. They lock themself of and prevent exchange between them and the rest of the world. For me the game evolves a bit slower since Kespa took over Korea. So I am really against supporting an organization that holds back the evolution of the game. Especially because Kespa vs non Kespa looks like current TvT ~.~ . "Who whats that play ? ooops I am dead." | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On August 26 2014 02:16 FeyFey wrote: Well since they may open proleague to everyone one reasoning against it would drop. But it will still deny what people want to get out of this. If PL gets them there is no way to deny other teamleagues those points and boom even more WCS points oversea. Especially since it gets easier to attract teams for a teamleague if WCS points are for grabs, so we might see the birth of a few more oversea. Can't really understand why people want to support Kespa anyway if they want to see the best of the best. They lock themself of and prevent exchange between them and the rest of the world. For me the game evolves a bit slower since Kespa took over Korea. So I am really against supporting an organization that holds back the evolution of the game. Especially because Kespa vs non Kespa looks like current TvT ~.~ . "Who whats that play ? ooops I am dead." WTF? Kespa players have pushed and evolved the game a shit ton, the game would look totally different without them. In fact without the Kespa players Maru would probably be a bonjwa and everyone would be whining about how OP Terran is. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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RoyAlex
Norway420 Posts
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Dingodile
4135 Posts
OSL Spring and Autmn, everyone can attend. Foreigners (except some) won't attend it because of obvious reasons. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Kespa could do more Cups ( like the upcoming Kespa Cup ) or partner up with IEM and get a IEM Seoul. But hey, Intel is a enemy of Samsung, so why get them to Korea? Kespa could reorganize the ProLeague, having it from Jen. to Okt. with breaks between the "Seasons" and talk with Dreamhack, IEM and R.B. about having their tournaments in these breaks. After giving free points for the invite only Team League SPL, we should next give points to INnoVation cause of his show skills in the ATC ( and ATC is at least not invite only ) and then start giving points for Zotacs, Go4s and other weeklys cause bullshit. And for the Invites: Tournaments cannot afford tickets for the participating players, at least not for all. Lets take the critizesd HSC: They just cannot pay for all players travels, if they would have 32 quali spots and no invites, 25/32 qualifiers would just say "ah no sorry, no money for flight". Qualifies would be so usless in these tournaments, because large amount of quallified players would just not attend even they have the spot. Thinking of Maru last year, being quallified but did not attend, thinking of the HSC NA Quali this year: Polt and Violet got the spot, both did not attend. These tournaments have to invite large part of the roaster not because they think "fuck quallifier, we want MC and Jaedong" but because MC and Jaedong travel there at their own costs. | ||
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
they carried over a team league from the BW days, in the BW days proleague was the only and best thing, nothing happen outside of korea. not anymore, its still a good tournament, but there are a million more good out there, there is alot happening outside of korea. kespa never intended to change proleague so the players can also play other tournaments, or even that tournament series can come to korea. so why even supporting that and make it even easier for kespa to not adjust to the rest of the world, in giving them extra points? so they can stay in the stoneage and jail their players forever? | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
Really, if Flash had wanted to go to blizzcon then he would have started to focus on GSL more instead of being eliminated so early in seasons 1 and 2... And in the end what does KESPA want? it's their move to send their players to foreign tournaments to earn WCS points. And if they wanted to be represented in WCS grandfinals that's what they would have done in the first place. So even if as a fan it would be better to see all the best players in grandfinals, we just have to wait for Kespa to decide it's good to go there and then they'll make sure their best players earn enough WCS points before the end of the year... hopefully in 2015.... | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
I do think GSL should reward *a lot* more points due to the much higher level of competition. | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
On August 26 2014 05:52 Gwavajuice wrote: I love proleague and it gave me some of my best sc2 moments this year, but I just don't see how the PL format would fit the WCS "spirit" : how would you allocate the points? how would this be fair when you consider that only 4 players in each team are given a spot every week? would it be fair to give a wcs point jackpot to people like life or TL.Hero that have been given a seat in the competition? why give a bunch of WCS point to kespa palyers only? and so on... Really, if Flash had wanted to go to blizzcon then he would have started to focus on GSL more instead of being eliminated so early in seasons 1 and 2... And in the end what does KESPA want? it's their move to send their players to foreign tournaments to earn WCS points. And if they wanted to be represented in WCS grandfinals that's what they would have done in the first place. So even if as a fan it would be better to see all the best players in grandfinals, we just have to wait for Kespa to decide it's good to go there and then they'll make sure their best players earn enough WCS points before the end of the year... hopefully in 2015.... Totally agreed. | ||
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
i get that some people here are sad that their favourite players cant come to blizzcon, but its no solution to just give them points while other players work their asses of and play 15 tournaments a year... in football its the same spain league is maybe harder than the english league, though that doesnt mean they get some sort of bonus for the championsleague .. and here its the same, you cant just give korea more points cause they have at the moment the strongest league. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
The best solution is already being developed with the KeSPA Cup. Add two or three more events in Korea next year and things should balance out. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On August 26 2014 05:40 SatedSC2 wrote: Would make SC2 more Korea-centric. I don't want that. I want the global scene to develop. WCS points being more evenly spread around the world is better for global development of the game. So no thanks. This game's entire scene can be described as Korean-centric. It's been shown that if you spread out the prize pool across the regions other Koreans will go to those regions and win those tournaments e.g. Polt, StarDust, MC, Bomber | ||
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cpower
228 Posts
On August 26 2014 05:52 Gwavajuice wrote: I love proleague and it gave me some of my best sc2 moments this year, but I just don't see how the PL format would fit the WCS "spirit" : how would you allocate the points? how would this be fair when you consider that only 4 players in each team are given a spot every week? would it be fair to give a wcs point jackpot to people like life or TL.Hero that have been given a seat in the competition? why give a bunch of WCS point to kespa palyers only? and so on... Really, if Flash had wanted to go to blizzcon then he would have started to focus on GSL more instead of being eliminated so early in seasons 1 and 2... And in the end what does KESPA want? it's their move to send their players to foreign tournaments to earn WCS points. And if they wanted to be represented in WCS grandfinals that's what they would have done in the first place. So even if as a fan it would be better to see all the best players in grandfinals, we just have to wait for Kespa to decide it's good to go there and then they'll make sure their best players earn enough WCS points before the end of the year... hopefully in 2015.... it doesnt help when some guys like MC/Hyun can cakewalk the AM/EU qualifiers and Kespa players going through GSL level qualifiers for one spot. it doesnt help when taeja/JD gets free"wild card" invitation when Kespa players have to fight for their chances. WCS is flawed like hell. I think it's better for blizzard just PICK their 16 players for the blizzcons, why bother using the wcs points? | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On August 26 2014 06:24 phil.ipp wrote:spain league is maybe harder than the english league, though that doesnt mean they get some sort of bonus for the championsleague ... They do actually get a bonus. For example England gets four teams through whereas mine only gets one. On August 26 2014 06:45 cpower wrote: I think it's better for blizzard just PICK their 16 players for the blizzcons, why bother using the wcs points? I don't think that's really possible for Starcraft. Who would you include in the top 16? No matter what you do your going to get shit from people saying that player X has won more tournaments in this year, but player Y won more difficult ones. | ||
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Pino
1032 Posts
On August 26 2014 04:26 Clonester wrote: Kespa does not care about individual tournaments outside of Korea, why should Blizzard do it? Kespa could do more Cups ( like the upcoming Kespa Cup ) or partner up with IEM and get a IEM Seoul. But hey, Intel is a enemy of Samsung, so why get them to Korea? Kespa could reorganize the ProLeague, having it from Jen. to Okt. with breaks between the "Seasons" and talk with Dreamhack, IEM and R.B. about having their tournaments in these breaks. After giving free points for the invite only Team League SPL, we should next give points to INnoVation cause of his show skills in the ATC ( and ATC is at least not invite only ) and then start giving points for Zotacs, Go4s and other weeklys cause bullshit. And for the Invites: Tournaments cannot afford tickets for the participating players, at least not for all. Lets take the critizesd HSC: They just cannot pay for all players travels, if they would have 32 quali spots and no invites, 25/32 qualifiers would just say "ah no sorry, no money for flight". Qualifies would be so usless in these tournaments, because large amount of quallified players would just not attend even they have the spot. Thinking of Maru last year, being quallified but did not attend, thinking of the HSC NA Quali this year: Polt and Violet got the spot, both did not attend. These tournaments have to invite large part of the roaster not because they think "fuck quallifier, we want MC and Jaedong" but because MC and Jaedong travel there at their own costs. I agreed with pretty much all of it. If we really want to give more points to Kespa koreans, the only solution is to have a second main tournament in Korea, like MSL was on the side of OSL. | ||
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