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On May 18 2014 09:30 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 08:29 Waise wrote:
is conspiring to fix an online esports match something korean authorities would even take seriously? how common is this, really, and is there any real policing of it?
if it is a serious offense in korea, can't solar just show the facebook message to the authorities and let them take it from there? and if it is not taken seriously, there's nothing we can do unless the imposter reveals himself somehow (which is likely, as people who do this sort of thing often brag/want attention and fame) "Is match fixing a serious thing in Korea?" Say what?
?? is there a problem with my question? i am an american-canadian starcraft fan. i've heard of savior and things like that, but i don't live in korea or know much about their culture, their laws or how these incidents are handled. perhaps you misread me? i am not speaking of fans and tournaments taking match fixing seriously, i am talking about prosecution under the law and what is necessary for legal authorities to prove match fixing and how it is prosecuted.
sorry, i'm not some geeky esports super-fan who clips newspaper articles about starcraft matchfixing. it was a perfectly reasonable question on my part...
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On May 18 2014 04:22 yido wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 01:18 miniskirt wrote:
what would firecake even gain from this game? Exposure? Even if he can't muster a single win, he gets his name out there. *I'm assuming you are taking about their showmatch.
no, i'm saying what would firecake gain from having solar drop a match against vortix
it's stupid to even consider he would be implicated in fixing a match he has no interest in
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Canada16217 Posts
On May 18 2014 09:41 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 09:30 neptunusfisk wrote:On May 18 2014 08:29 Waise wrote:
is conspiring to fix an online esports match something korean authorities would even take seriously? how common is this, really, and is there any real policing of it?
if it is a serious offense in korea, can't solar just show the facebook message to the authorities and let them take it from there? and if it is not taken seriously, there's nothing we can do unless the imposter reveals himself somehow (which is likely, as people who do this sort of thing often brag/want attention and fame) "Is match fixing a serious thing in Korea?" Say what? ?? is there a problem with my question? i am an american-canadian starcraft fan. i've heard of savior and things like that, but i don't live in korea or know much about their culture, their laws or how these incidents are handled. perhaps you misread me? i am not speaking of fans and tournaments taking match fixing seriously, i am talking about prosecution under the law and what is necessary for legal authorities to prove match fixing and how it is prosecuted. sorry, i'm not some geeky esports super-fan who clips newspaper articles about starcraft matchfixing. it was a perfectly reasonable question on my part...
the answer to your question is yes it's taken seriously, and is punishable under korean law.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/community-news-archive/162856-bw-matchfixing-sentencing
you can read the whole thing here
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On May 18 2014 08:29 Waise wrote:
is conspiring to fix an online esports match something korean authorities would even take seriously? how common is this, really, and is there any real policing of it?
if it is a serious offense in korea, can't solar just show the facebook message to the authorities and let them take it from there? and if it is not taken seriously, there's nothing we can do unless the imposter reveals himself somehow (which is likely, as people who do this sort of thing often brag/want attention and fame)
Yes, it is. Is anyone going to start an international manhunt for this person to arrest and prosecute? No. It was an offer with a categorical refusal. There's nothing there except a bad joke or a bonehead. If this happens with regularity and someone is making money from gamers taking a dive, then you have a problem.
IMO this seems to be like Romney making a $50000 bet during a debate. He wasn't serious, but the amount seemed plausible enough to cause trouble. I think this might be a similar kind of joke.
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On May 18 2014 09:50 miniskirt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 04:22 yido wrote:On May 18 2014 01:18 miniskirt wrote:
what would firecake even gain from this game? Exposure? Even if he can't muster a single win, he gets his name out there. *I'm assuming you are taking about their showmatch. no, i'm saying what would firecake gain from having solar drop a match against vortix it's stupid to even consider he would be implicated in fixing a match he has no interest in
Matchfixers earn by placing huge bets against the player who is throwing on betting sites. Of course, it's not firecake in this case, but hypothetically, that's how he would gain.
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In the OP, I think you mean "imprudently" not "impudently".
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On May 18 2014 10:21 Jerubaal wrote:
In the OP, I think you mean "imprudently" not "impudently".
That's what I thought haha.
I hope the bo9 with Firecake and Solar goes well, this whole thing could go from a bad situation to a good outcome  .
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Is the show match because he didn't do it but it just their two names or because he did it but didn't mean it to be serious?
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Sport (and e-sport) died the day you could bet 1$ on it. The "real" results in sport are a far away dream ... i don't know the situation in e-sport but it's only a question of time before things get completely spoiled. The good part is that most of the people won't realize that so everything will continue to appear right and clear.
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On May 18 2014 08:39 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 19:25 Perfi wrote:On May 17 2014 19:07 FireCake wrote:
Hi guys,
My first reaction to this drama was "lol".
But I fear that if Stabillo (my manager at PunchLine) took the time to wake up me this morning he expects that I develop a little more ...
I never tried to matchfix one my games and I will never do such a thing. I play sc2 because I love this game, I love practice and give the best of myself. I guess the reason mentioned for this matchfix is money. Honestly, if I played this game solely for money I think i would have have stopped this game a long time ago and I would focus all my energy on my engineering studies.
I don't know what else can i say, i proposed a showmatch between Solar and me to end this drama, i think that could be funny :D Now that's a great idea! A BO9 FireCake vs Solar showmatch should silence all the drama around here for a week or so. For a week unless NaNiwa strikes back EDIT: Interesting situation and development. I wonder how frequent such occurences are - the fact that the number is increasing is no indicator.
It is interesting but it doesn't make any sense to me. In this case the person who made contact offered $2000. Let's say that the odds for Vortix winning was 2.0 (probably slightly lower but it makes for easy math). Then he had to put $6000 in total on the line to make a $2000 profit, but with no guarantee of Solar actually going through with it. Betting on yourself or cooperating with friends I can get, but not strangers making contact on the internet.
So to me this is about trying to get players off their game or a twisted view of internet fun time
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On May 18 2014 09:41 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 09:30 neptunusfisk wrote:On May 18 2014 08:29 Waise wrote:
is conspiring to fix an online esports match something korean authorities would even take seriously? how common is this, really, and is there any real policing of it?
if it is a serious offense in korea, can't solar just show the facebook message to the authorities and let them take it from there? and if it is not taken seriously, there's nothing we can do unless the imposter reveals himself somehow (which is likely, as people who do this sort of thing often brag/want attention and fame) "Is match fixing a serious thing in Korea?" Say what? ?? is there a problem with my question? i am an american-canadian starcraft fan. i've heard of savior and things like that, but i don't live in korea or know much about their culture, their laws or how these incidents are handled. perhaps you misread me? i am not speaking of fans and tournaments taking match fixing seriously, i am talking about prosecution under the law and what is necessary for legal authorities to prove match fixing and how it is prosecuted. sorry, i'm not some geeky esports super-fan who clips newspaper articles about starcraft matchfixing. it was a perfectly reasonable question on my part...
I'm sorry. The match fixing scandal was about the biggest tragedy to ever hit starcraft. Several teams had to close due to sponsors backing out and so on.
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First post on TL! :D
Props to Solar for acting like that! You have 1 more fan!
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Poland3774 Posts
On May 18 2014 18:50 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 09:41 Waise wrote:On May 18 2014 09:30 neptunusfisk wrote:On May 18 2014 08:29 Waise wrote:
is conspiring to fix an online esports match something korean authorities would even take seriously? how common is this, really, and is there any real policing of it?
if it is a serious offense in korea, can't solar just show the facebook message to the authorities and let them take it from there? and if it is not taken seriously, there's nothing we can do unless the imposter reveals himself somehow (which is likely, as people who do this sort of thing often brag/want attention and fame) "Is match fixing a serious thing in Korea?" Say what? ?? is there a problem with my question? i am an american-canadian starcraft fan. i've heard of savior and things like that, but i don't live in korea or know much about their culture, their laws or how these incidents are handled. perhaps you misread me? i am not speaking of fans and tournaments taking match fixing seriously, i am talking about prosecution under the law and what is necessary for legal authorities to prove match fixing and how it is prosecuted. sorry, i'm not some geeky esports super-fan who clips newspaper articles about starcraft matchfixing. it was a perfectly reasonable question on my part... I'm sorry. The match fixing scandal was about the biggest tragedy to ever hit starcraft. Several teams had to close due to sponsors backing out and so on.
Also it's worth to point out that match fixing is a crime also in Canada and USA.
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It would be kinda awesome if this was FireCake's plan since the beginning.
1) Send an obvious compromising message from his real name.
2) Everybody goes: "Firecake too smart for that, it's not him"
3) FireCake: "Let me organize some show match now that everyone is talking about me."
4) ...
5) ... (Swarmhost games take quite long)
6) Profit.
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Props to Solar for turning it down. He shows what it is to be a professional esports athlete!
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I have some infos about the potential culprit, won't say more till I don't have concrete evidence.
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On May 18 2014 23:33 ZenithM wrote:
It would be kinda awesome if this was FireCake's plan since the beginning.
1) Send an obvious compromising message from his real name.
2) Everybody goes: "Firecake too smart for that, it's not him"
3) FireCake: "Let me organize some show match now that everyone is talking about me."
4) ...
5) ... (Swarmhost games take quite long)
6) Profit.
"Profit" being an 0-5 loss against #1 Samsung Zerg?
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On May 19 2014 01:47 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 23:33 ZenithM wrote:
It would be kinda awesome if this was FireCake's plan since the beginning.
1) Send an obvious compromising message from his real name.
2) Everybody goes: "Firecake too smart for that, it's not him"
3) FireCake: "Let me organize some show match now that everyone is talking about me."
4) ...
5) ... (Swarmhost games take quite long)
6) Profit. "Profit" being an 0-5 loss against #1 Samsung Zerg?
If he successfully goes swarm hosts, he can use that time between the spawn and his loss and suck the youth out of the wasted time of viewers.
Or so I hear. 
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On May 19 2014 01:47 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 23:33 ZenithM wrote:
It would be kinda awesome if this was FireCake's plan since the beginning.
1) Send an obvious compromising message from his real name.
2) Everybody goes: "Firecake too smart for that, it's not him"
3) FireCake: "Let me organize some show match now that everyone is talking about me."
4) ...
5) ... (Swarmhost games take quite long)
6) Profit. "Profit" being an 0-5 loss against #1 Samsung Zerg?
Nah, the profit is for us. I'm running out of locusts these days, gotta replenish my stock.
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I'd much rather not the showmatch take place. The world needs less Firecake games
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