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On May 08 2014 04:11 Dingodile wrote:100% sir, Just disgusting that other can see your history. Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Keep them as barcodes if you want, just show their real names on ladder. Why? Such barcode players don't want show real names on ladder. They even dont care about GM or TopMaster.
Right. But everyone else wants to see them. The problem is that when everyone adopts a barcode to hide their identity you get a slew of barcodes and nobody really has any interest in watching who's in GM or which pros/semipros are in their masters divisions.
We're saying, "Don't show who you are when you play. You have that option. You can play people who will not know your match history, or anything about you other than the game they just played against you on ladder and the corresponding replay. There will be no connection to your hidden name and your name in the actual GM spot. They will be unable to find you."
If you played Jaedong, you would never know you played Jaedong, you just know you played a barcode in X divsion. In GM you would know it's one of the 200, but otherwise it would be untraceable.
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On May 08 2014 04:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 04:11 Dingodile wrote:100% sir, Just disgusting that other can see your history. On May 08 2014 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Keep them as barcodes if you want, just show their real names on ladder. Why? Such barcode players don't want show real names on ladder. They even dont care about GM or TopMaster. Right. But everyone else wants to see them. The problem is that when everyone adopts a barcode to hide their identity you get a slew of barcodes and nobody really has any interest in watching who's in GM or which pros/semipros are in their masters divisions. We're saying, "Don't show who you are when you play. You have that option. You can play people who will not know your match history, or anything about you other than the game they just played against you on ladder and the corresponding replay. There will be no connection to your hidden name and your name in the actual GM spot. They will be unable to find you." If you played Jaedong, you would never know you played Jaedong, you just know you played a barcode in X divsion. In GM you would know it's one of the 200, but otherwise it would be untraceable.
Wow your last paragraph hit me. I guess they play with barcodes because everyone can see history (and buildorders!) without playing against that opponent. I think history is the bigger issue than barcode names.
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If I was Blizzard, I'd force unique usernames. Why hide behind a name so you can execute your cheese/greedy stuff every game in a row? StarCraft is a strategic game. Blind counter is also a strategy. But what if you don't do your usual stuff, while the other guy tries to blind counter? You may actually be ahead. Another strategy. So, yes, don't take strategy away from StarCraft. Encourage variety for players.
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On May 08 2014 04:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 04:11 Dingodile wrote:100% sir, Just disgusting that other can see your history. On May 08 2014 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Keep them as barcodes if you want, just show their real names on ladder. Why? Such barcode players don't want show real names on ladder. They even dont care about GM or TopMaster. Right. But everyone else wants to see them. The problem is that when everyone adopts a barcode to hide their identity you get a slew of barcodes and nobody really has any interest in watching who's in GM or which pros/semipros are in their masters divisions. We're saying, "Don't show who you are when you play. You have that option. You can play people who will not know your match history, or anything about you other than the game they just played against you on ladder and the corresponding replay. There will be no connection to your hidden name and your name in the actual GM spot. They will be unable to find you." If you played Jaedong, you would never know you played Jaedong, you just know you played a barcode in X divsion. In GM you would know it's one of the 200, but otherwise it would be untraceable.
when you've the mmr to play JD you start to know which barcode belongs to whom in top gm. The problem would be account switching to be sure you played him.
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I don't see how barcodes are a problem? Who cares about the name of the player you are randomly facing on ladder? Even if you are ranked high enough to consistently play the top pros you will know who they are just from play style/race/build order. And if Blizzard were to implement the two new options the OP talked about, what about replays? You could always figure everything out from that....
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On May 08 2014 04:40 Stress wrote:
I don't see how barcodes are a problem? Who cares about the name of the player you are randomly facing on ladder? Even if you are ranked high enough to consistently play the top pros you will know who they are just from play style/race/build order. And if Blizzard were to implement the two new options the OP talked about, what about replays? You could always figure everything out from that....
replays would be shown hidden names as well
and it is so we can see ranks on gm
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On May 08 2014 05:17 Stabley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 04:40 Stress wrote:
I don't see how barcodes are a problem? Who cares about the name of the player you are randomly facing on ladder? Even if you are ranked high enough to consistently play the top pros you will know who they are just from play style/race/build order. And if Blizzard were to implement the two new options the OP talked about, what about replays? You could always figure everything out from that.... replays would be shown hidden names as well and it is so we can see ranks on gm
Even if the names were hidden in the replay you could still figure out who it was and also have access to the BO. If you could see the name on the ladder page (instead of |||||||||| you have MKP or something) but the ingame name was hidden, wouldn't you be able to tell who it was by viewing their profile after the match? SC2 highlights the name on the ladder page if you view from profile.
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I think there might be a technical roadblock to this idea.
I know for a fact, the name of both players is coded into the replay. If the name was to remain hidden, it would need to be encoded, and if someone's name is encoded it might increase the file size.
Now I don't know the specifics, but this might be an issue because Bliz likes to have the data as small as possible (reduce lag).
And even if it was encoded, smart programmers could find a way through it and determine the player names anyways.
Someone mentioned reporting hackers and cheaters, and this won't effect anything because the code would still have the players real id. You just couldn't out them on public forums like this.
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My philosophy-
Would it be cool to know who is at the top of the KR GM ladder? Absolutely! Lots of speculation has been made about the players who are at the top of the ladder, I think NaNiwa mentioned in his interview with Thorin that a few GSL champions have been #1 on ladder during their run, like Life and Dear, and so that would certainly be neat to be "in the know." But, if we have a good idea of who the up and comers are, it seems like people would begin to say "oh yeah well he's at the top of KR GM ladder so it's not really an underdog story" or "well this isn't surprising because he's been top 5 for a while on ladder". It detracts from storylines like that, the royal roaders and things like that. But, even so, that kind of mystery about the KR ladder primarily is a little bit motivating. Yes, I want to know who those players are, but does it matter to me at all? No, I'm not playing them, so why should I care? One day when I make KR GM, and get top 16 then I can start asking them for their names and I"ll be in the know. But until then, I guess I'll just have to only see lllllllllllll
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On May 07 2014 13:07 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
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On May 08 2014 06:05 banjoetheredskin wrote:
My philosophy-
Would it be cool to know who is at the top of the KR GM ladder? Absolutely! Lots of speculation has been made about the players who are at the top of the ladder, I think NaNiwa mentioned in his interview with Thorin that a few GSL champions have been #1 on ladder during their run, like Life and Dear, and so that would certainly be neat to be "in the know." But, if we have a good idea of who the up and comers are, it seems like people would begin to say "oh yeah well he's at the top of KR GM ladder so it's not really an underdog story" or "well this isn't surprising because he's been top 5 for a while on ladder". It detracts from storylines like that, the royal roaders and things like that. But, even so, that kind of mystery about the KR ladder primarily is a little bit motivating. Yes, I want to know who those players are, but does it matter to me at all? No, I'm not playing them, so why should I care? One day when I make KR GM, and get top 16 then I can start asking them for their names and I"ll be in the know. But until then, I guess I'll just have to only see lllllllllllll
eh.. why does everyone just say you have to be top gm to care about stuff.
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I don't understand what the OP's problem with barcodes is exactly.
My opinion: Barcodes aren't a problem and shouldn't bother you..
/Thread
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On May 08 2014 14:06 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
I don't understand what the OP's problem with barcodes is exactly.
My opinion: Barcodes aren't a problem and shouldn't bother you..
/Thread
I'm sure that your opinion clearly overrides that of everyone elses, and just because you fail to understand mine doesn't mean the topic should stop being discussed.
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On May 08 2014 05:24 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 05:17 Stabley wrote:On May 08 2014 04:40 Stress wrote:
I don't see how barcodes are a problem? Who cares about the name of the player you are randomly facing on ladder? Even if you are ranked high enough to consistently play the top pros you will know who they are just from play style/race/build order. And if Blizzard were to implement the two new options the OP talked about, what about replays? You could always figure everything out from that.... replays would be shown hidden names as well and it is so we can see ranks on gm SC2 highlights the name on the ladder page if you view from profile.
That wouldn't happen.
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People have the freedom to use whatever the name they want (provided length and moral restriction). I don't see any problem with barcode.
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Hey Stabley, I think the issue is the title of your thread.
Using the word 'solution' implies there is a problem in the first place, but mid post you state that barcode isn't a problem.
In a way, you are contradicting yourself, and thus you get many replies of people that don't understand your point of view.
While I agree with your idea, I think you need to express it without any mis-interpretations.
Maybe if your thread title was "Possible Alternative to Barcode" you would get a better response.
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The only problem I see is that you don't like barcode IDs. Barcode IDs do not affect any aspect of the game. Sounds like you just want to know who they are  . Anywho, I disagree.
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Its not barcodes we have a problem with, we just want to know who is truly topping the GM ranks.
It would be fun to know who are all those barcodes in GM.
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On May 08 2014 14:06 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
I don't understand what the OP's problem with barcodes is exactly.
My opinion: Barcodes aren't a problem and shouldn't bother you..
/Thread
You can't /thread a discussion because you think that your opinion is somehow more valid than everyone else's. Especially if you start your post with "I don't understand"
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I always laugh whenever I see a player with a barcode and a clan tag, it's even funnier if you play like 2v2 and they both have a barcode and a clan tag.
I don't think barcodes are a problem, it's really no different than a player just making a smurf name like they did on the BW ladders. It just makes it harder for people to know what that smurf name is from sleuthing (that people on TL used to do) and then when you hit them on ladder, or try to find games, you know who they really are.
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