On May 08 2014 00:41 Amazonic wrote: Can somebody please, PLEASE explain to me why this is even an issue? Why does there even need to be a thread about this?
It's not an issue, it is something that can be improved upon . I fail to see why bringing up the discussion of something is problematic.
Read the thread title, "Potential Barcode Solution" using the word solution implies that there is a problem. Maybe that's why people keep asking the same question over and over?
I think its safe to say most of them are reading the thread title, and (at best) maybe a line or two.. then posting their opinion.
On May 09 2014 00:30 Wombat_NI wrote: It's not about the in-game experience, but enabling pros to hide their identity in-game without having a ladder full of barcodes. Is it that hard to actually read the thread?
So... What is it to you? Are you a pro? Why would you waste time/energy worrying about something that doesn't effect you? How do you know the pros have a problem with barcodes?
Why the hell is there so many people focusing on being a pro in order to care about this?
That completely baffles me. Your level of play is next to irrelevant in whether or not you would agree with these suggestions to 'fix/modify' the barcode situation. Everyone from GM to Bronze will have an opinion on this for whatever reason - but saying you need to be a pro/GM in order for this to effect you is just stupid.
I'm gold league at best, and because of barcoding, I never even bother checking the GM rankings of servers cause I know there will be random smurf names and barcodes there. So it means absolutely nothing to me. The fact I will never play against them has nothing to do with my current interest level in the GM ladder.
If I could look at the KR ladder, and say... 80% of them are using their real name/account - it'd be interesting to see who are in the top spots, and the fluctuations throughout the season.
EG: if someone like Symbol doesnt make it in Ro16 GSL, then it'd be interesting to see if he suddenly becomes #1 on the ladder due to practicing on there a shitload (as having no team to practice with/team league with may give him much more time to do that)
This is a very cancerous approach. You shouldn't judge by results (particularly meaningless bo1s) but by how well someone plays.
On May 09 2014 00:30 Wombat_NI wrote: It's not about the in-game experience, but enabling pros to hide their identity in-game without having a ladder full of barcodes. Is it that hard to actually read the thread?
So... What is it to you? Are you a pro? Why would you waste time/energy worrying about something that doesn't effect you? How do you know the pros have a problem with barcodes?
Why the hell is there so many people focusing on being a pro in order to care about this?
That completely baffles me. Your level of play is next to irrelevant in whether or not you would agree with these suggestions to 'fix/modify' the barcode situation. Everyone from GM to Bronze will have an opinion on this for whatever reason - but saying you need to be a pro/GM in order for this to effect you is just stupid.
I'm gold league at best, and because of barcoding, I never even bother checking the GM rankings of servers cause I know there will be random smurf names and barcodes there. So it means absolutely nothing to me. The fact I will never play against them has nothing to do with my current interest level in the GM ladder.
If I could look at the KR ladder, and say... 80% of them are using their real name/account - it'd be interesting to see who are in the top spots, and the fluctuations throughout the season.
EG: if someone like Symbol doesnt make it in Ro16 GSL, then it'd be interesting to see if he suddenly becomes #1 on the ladder due to practicing on there a shitload (as having no team to practice with/team league with may give him much more time to do that)
This is a very cancerous approach. You shouldn't judge by results (particularly meaningless bo1s) but by how well someone plays.
All I said is that it would be interesting... noone is saying the #1 KR Ladder player is the best player in the world. It just means they are playing on the ladder a lot... obviously.
It just adds further interest to the game, at no 'cost/disadvantage' to anyone (that I can see) - and generating interest in the game would be a good thing.
I don't agree with giving players the option to disable match history, to me that is worse than seeing a barcode. You could have a player doing 2 gate proxies every game, cannon rushing, 5 raxing, 10 pooling, smurfing etc...
On May 09 2014 02:48 GiveMeCake wrote: I don't agree with giving players the option to disable match history, to me that is worse than seeing a barcode. You could have a player doing 2 gate proxies every game, cannon rushing, 5 raxing, 10 pooling, smurfing etc...
Why do you have to know so much about your opponent? Is there a reason? I truly dont care about my and my opponent's history. History just gives too much (useful for progamers) infos, that's why we have so much barcode players.
On May 07 2014 19:28 mechengineer123 wrote: Why are people so bothered by barcodes.
You don't see it as a problem that the best indication of who the best players in the world are in a low variance environment, namely the Korean ladder, is completely useless to gauge anything from as 80%+ of players are barcodes?
no not at all because being top ladder doesnt mean your the best in the world winning gsl, dreamhack, wcs does tbh ladder really means nothing its just practice.
see the post i made later in the thread. as far as i'm concerned, no tournaments have enough matches to determine anything like that.
As far as match history goes look at dota 2 and steam. They have had "hidden" match history for along time now. It dosnt effect pubs thats much but inhouse training is pretty much under wraps. It would not be hard for blizz to fix this but they have to for before storms is out.
On May 07 2014 19:28 mechengineer123 wrote: Why are people so bothered by barcodes.
You don't see it as a problem that the best indication of who the best players in the world are in a low variance environment, namely the Korean ladder, is completely useless to gauge anything from as 80%+ of players are barcodes?
no not at all because being top ladder doesnt mean your the best in the world winning gsl, dreamhack, wcs does tbh ladder really means nothing its just practice.
see the post i made later in the thread. as far as i'm concerned, no tournaments have enough matches to determine anything like that.
Only a fool would judge how good someone is by their results.
On May 09 2014 02:48 GiveMeCake wrote: I don't agree with giving players the option to disable match history, to me that is worse than seeing a barcode. You could have a player doing 2 gate proxies every game, cannon rushing, 5 raxing, 10 pooling, smurfing etc...
Why do you have to know so much about your opponent? Is there a reason? I truly dont care about my and my opponent's history. History just gives too much (useful for progamers) infos, that's why we have so much barcode players.
I play in a scv rush tournament once a week. I usually look at my opponents match history (game length, build orders, etc,) for a few minutes before starting the match, as do the other players there... so yes it can matter.
On May 07 2014 15:02 dabom88 wrote: I say make it so that everyone has a public, randomly generated, unique Serial Number attached to their account, regardless of what your account name is. That way, you can at least distinguish between which Terran/Protoss/Zerg barcode is on top of the ladder. Like, say, Terran "IIIIIIII" with Serial Number 198239874 is #1 on the ladder, while Zerg "IIIIIIIII" with serial number 857827838 is #2, Protoss "IIIIIIIII" with serial number 349857982 is #3, and Terran "IIIIII" with serial number 3287847 is #4 on the ladder. Meanwhile, Terran "Barcode Killer" with serial number 2343453546 is #5 on the ladder.
At least be able to track which account is which number.
But there is already a public, "randomly" generated, unique serial number for all accounts. For example current #1 EU grandmaster: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3224273/1/llllllllllll/ Terran "llllllllllll" with serial number 3224273 (in EU) is #1.
Making this easily visible on the grandmaster ladder AND in matchwould remove all my gripes with this system. Oh its 3224273 again, not some other Terran barcode. Time to get revenge on that whining cheesing no-gooder.
standard american internet police. barcodes are annoying to you, i fucking love them. imma go start a counter thread to encourage people to use barcodes. holy shit, this is the reason sc2 is in the state that it's in, everyone cares about everything else about it but playing the game.
On May 09 2014 05:05 Kabras wrote: standard american internet police. barcodes are annoying to you, i fucking love them. imma go start a counter thread to encourage people to use barcodes. holy shit, this is the reason sc2 is in the state that it's in, everyone cares about everything else about it but playing the game.
lol wtf are u talking about, can't you find bardcodes annoying while playing?
On May 09 2014 05:05 Kabras wrote: standard american internet police. barcodes are annoying to you, i fucking love them. imma go start a counter thread to encourage people to use barcodes. holy shit, this is the reason sc2 is in the state that it's in, everyone cares about everything else about it but playing the game.
Ok. How about just NOT have a GM ladder, if it's so disagreeable
Tales float around of ladder exploits, MKP getting 1-3 on Kr, Mvp getting in with his off-races etc. If it's infested with barcode why even have the ladder at all?
'I think this is a better solution' = 'American Internet police', wtf?
On May 09 2014 06:27 Incognoto wrote: Some people are going nuts for no reason lol, it's silly.
This is just a discussion about barcodes and people feel the need to get all haughty right off the bat, it's kind of bizarre.
lol, i know, i don't understand it either? i mean it's nothing new that people are angry and confrontational on the internet, but over this?
the only thing i can think of is that barcoding has a connotation that originally started with high level players, i.e. players who are better than "us" (most of us anyway), and when lower level players start doing it too then people's egos get hurt and they become irrationally angry over something meaningless because of insecurity about skill
other than that i can't work out how some people can become so heated and passionate over not allowing people to show up as a bunch of lines while playing a computer game
On May 08 2014 04:29 darkness wrote: If I was Blizzard, I'd force unique usernames. Why hide behind a name so you can execute your cheese/greedy stuff every game in a row? StarCraft is a strategic game. Blind counter is also a strategy. But what if you don't do your usual stuff, while the other guy tries to blind counter? You may actually be ahead. Another strategy. So, yes, don't take strategy away from StarCraft. Encourage variety for players.
so tell me how you're going to prevent people from making their names "abcfdfdsg" and "zyxeuig". what then? are we going to file blizzard reports over people with names that aren't memorable enough? lol
Yes, that's what's happening in this thread. It's more of a HANDS OFF OUR SACRED BARCODES and aggressive posting from those who disagree with the OP, those who like the idea he put forward are pretty relaxed about the whole thing.
It's just, STUPID. It's nothing game-breaking, it's no big deal to have a bunch of ||||||||| instead of 'Blazeit420's' on ladder, but you know what, hey I think barcodes just look stupid, I think seeing barcodes in my Platinum league looks stupid. Big deal, it doesn't even particularly bother me, if there's a better system I show agreement with a system I view as better, namely the OPs
On May 07 2014 12:50 yyfpulls wrote: People have brought this idea up since the beginning of the barcodes. Blizzard is too set in their ways and they'll never implement community driven ideas like this.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ #blizzardpoliticians It's as if they cross potential ideas off their list if they see community members suggest it.
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