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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26238 Posts
May 07 2014 16:07 GMT
#61
I liked the older system that Bnet 1.0 used, unique names etc. I think that would have been problematic with trolls reserving pro nicknames and whatnot though
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 16:26:40
May 07 2014 16:19 GMT
#62
On May 07 2014 21:48 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 17:40 Eluadyl wrote:
I don't think anyone understands what the OP means by changing the name to 'Player' in game. It doesn't even have to be Player. It can be lllllllllllll too. The idea is just to hide your actual account name during a match.

What is suggested is not to hide the name entirely, only during a match so your opponent won't know who you are. Therefore you can use your actual account in the ladder. That way we won't see barcodes on the rankings list. The only thing this option will help is cleaning up the rankings list.


Yes, that is how I understood it as well, and I am equally confused by what most of the other posters are talking about.

And I think it is a neat little idea that could turn the top GM from "|||||||||||||||||, ||||||||||||||||||, ||||||||||||||||||||||, smurfLULZ, ||||||||||||||||||, otherSmurf" into "EG.jaedong, Liquid'Snute, SLK_Cascade, ...".* The top names will there with the highest ranking, but no one will recognise the accounts in game, and there is no history to be analysed.

*Some IDs may be more realistic than others.


Exactly my response. It seems as though people don't grasp what the OP is saying (seemed pretty straight forward to me) - or are just being negative for some reason that doesnt seem to make much sense (as OP has covered their issues in the original post...)

On May 07 2014 19:28 mechengineer123 wrote:
Why are people so bothered by barcodes. Most of you are gold or whatever so you rarely see them in your ladder games anyway, and the people who actually are high ranked are people who aren't bothered by insignificant things and either want to use barcodes or don't care about them at all. Maybe you should reflect on your egocentricity if you think your irrational desire to see a random name rather than a few stripes is so important.


Because people are curious as to who the top 200 players are in each region... why is that difficult to grasp?
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Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 16:44:53
May 07 2014 16:43 GMT
#63
On May 08 2014 00:44 Stabley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 00:41 Amazonic wrote:
Can somebody please, PLEASE explain to me why this is even an issue? Why does there even need to be a thread about this?



It's not an issue, it is something that can be improved upon . I fail to see why bringing up the discussion of something is problematic.


You say that it's something that can be improved upon, which means that it's not good right now, which means it's an issue somehow. I just cannot fathom why anybody would not want people to barcode, I just don't understand the thinking behind it.

I feel it's an absurd thing to make a thread about yet people somehow think it's something worth talking about, it's a complete non-issue to my mind and I was hoping someone could shed some light on why people care.

On May 07 2014 19:28 mechengineer123 wrote:
Why are people so bothered by barcodes. Most of you are gold or whatever so you rarely see them in your ladder games anyway, and the people who actually are high ranked are people who aren't bothered by insignificant things and either want to use barcodes or don't care about them at all. Maybe you should reflect on your egocentricity if you think your irrational desire to see a random name rather than a few stripes is so important.


Because people are curious as to who the top 200 players are in each region... why is that difficult to grasp?[/QUOTE]

Imo that's none of your damn business. You see who the best players are at tournaments, the ladder is strictly a practice environment. However I wanna be clear with the fact that this is just my opinion, I'm uneducated in the matter and I don't understand the opposing side.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26238 Posts
May 07 2014 16:59 GMT
#64
Plenty of people have shed some light, you're just being obtuse. Indeed in your post you're acknowledging what others see as the issue, you don't happen to share it but don't act like it's some mystery that nobody has filled you in on.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
May 07 2014 17:21 GMT
#65
On May 08 2014 01:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Plenty of people have shed some light, you're just being obtuse. Indeed in your post you're acknowledging what others see as the issue, you don't happen to share it but don't act like it's some mystery that nobody has filled you in on.


So the whole issue is you're not given information you have no right to in the first place?
"Amazing how something so simple as a fat person and gravity can be so amusing. Classic!"
Stabley
Profile Joined July 2011
United States90 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 17:30:35
May 07 2014 17:30 GMT
#66
On May 08 2014 01:43 Amazonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 00:44 Stabley wrote:
On May 08 2014 00:41 Amazonic wrote:
Can somebody please, PLEASE explain to me why this is even an issue? Why does there even need to be a thread about this?



It's not an issue, it is something that can be improved upon . I fail to see why bringing up the discussion of something is problematic.


You say that it's something that can be improved upon, which means that it's not good right now, which means it's an issue somehow. I just cannot fathom why anybody would not want people to barcode, I just don't understand the thinking behind it.

I feel it's an absurd thing to make a thread about yet people somehow think it's something worth talking about, it's a complete non-issue to my mind and I was hoping someone could shed some light on why people care.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 19:28 mechengineer123 wrote:
Why are people so bothered by barcodes. Most of you are gold or whatever so you rarely see them in your ladder games anyway, and the people who actually are high ranked are people who aren't bothered by insignificant things and either want to use barcodes or don't care about them at all. Maybe you should reflect on your egocentricity if you think your irrational desire to see a random name rather than a few stripes is so important.


Because people are curious as to who the top 200 players are in each region... why is that difficult to grasp?


Imo that's none of your damn business. You see who the best players are at tournaments, the ladder is strictly a practice environment. However I wanna be clear with the fact that this is just my opinion, I'm uneducated in the matter and I don't understand the opposing side.




It might be of your opinion that this is non issue, and that the GM rankings mean nothing, but for myself including many other players, the gm positions are kind of a spot of desire, and seeing barcodes in it is disheartening.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26238 Posts
May 07 2014 17:57 GMT
#67
On May 08 2014 02:21 Amazonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 01:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Plenty of people have shed some light, you're just being obtuse. Indeed in your post you're acknowledging what others see as the issue, you don't happen to share it but don't act like it's some mystery that nobody has filled you in on.


So the whole issue is you're not given information you have no right to in the first place?

No my issue is you acting as if people are demanding something with no rationale out forward, when it's clearly in many posts in the thread.

I don't particularly care either way, it's not breaking my experience of the game but the OP does outline some decent ideas
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leova
Profile Joined April 2011
266 Posts
May 07 2014 18:07 GMT
#68
barcodes are for cowards
good riddance
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 18:08:13
May 07 2014 18:07 GMT
#69
Edit - Doublepost
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Stabley
Profile Joined July 2011
United States90 Posts
May 07 2014 18:13 GMT
#70
On May 08 2014 02:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 02:21 Amazonic wrote:
On May 08 2014 01:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Plenty of people have shed some light, you're just being obtuse. Indeed in your post you're acknowledging what others see as the issue, you don't happen to share it but don't act like it's some mystery that nobody has filled you in on.


So the whole issue is you're not given information you have no right to in the first place?

No my issue is you acting as if people are demanding something with no rationale out forward, when it's clearly in many posts in the thread.

I don't particularly care either way, it's not breaking my experience of the game but the OP does outline some decent ideas




I appreciate your responses Wombat.
Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
May 07 2014 18:14 GMT
#71
On May 08 2014 02:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 02:21 Amazonic wrote:
On May 08 2014 01:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Plenty of people have shed some light, you're just being obtuse. Indeed in your post you're acknowledging what others see as the issue, you don't happen to share it but don't act like it's some mystery that nobody has filled you in on.


So the whole issue is you're not given information you have no right to in the first place?

No my issue is you acting as if people are demanding something with no rationale out forward, when it's clearly in many posts in the thread.

I don't particularly care either way, it's not breaking my experience of the game but the OP does outline some decent ideas


Yeah I see what you're saying, I agree I came across that way, I do apologize.
"Amazing how something so simple as a fat person and gravity can be so amusing. Classic!"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26238 Posts
May 07 2014 18:17 GMT
#72
No problem folks, frankly seeing barcodes is solely annoying at my level because there is no point adding them as friends after games, gl navigating your friendlist without Real ID :p
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
May 07 2014 18:19 GMT
#73
Besides any technical aspect this may bring up, this sounds like an excellent idea! I suspect they would have to show the name after the game so any kind of contact/reporting can be still be effective.
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Stabley
Profile Joined July 2011
United States90 Posts
May 07 2014 18:31 GMT
#74
On May 08 2014 03:19 Butterednuts wrote:
Besides any technical aspect this may bring up, this sounds like an excellent idea! I suspect they would have to show the name after the game so any kind of contact/reporting can be still be effective.



The problem with that, is they could just check afterwards in the replay after they find your name out.

I think this would best work if it kept your name hidden all times while activated, and stayed on for match history/replays..

Then you could disable it and it would show your name again. Sort of like an incognito mode.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 18:42:51
May 07 2014 18:41 GMT
#75
Both ideas suggested in the original post are bad ideas. Ladder system is only legit if match histories are available & players can be tracked. Hiding player names and / or match history would only be beneficial for abusers. It would be harder to be caught from hacking, cheating, MMR abusing, etc when the opponents could not track player's data / match history to verify the abuse & report him.

Hiding match history regarding ladder matches is not a solution (I would be pleased to see more information on match history of current web profiles). At the moment players already can hide their custom games from the match history if they want. One thing that could be considered is to have a privacy setting to hide build order tables from the match history, but not the match itself.


The current ladder system makes it also hard to deduce player MMRs. The visible ladder points & division ranks often do not reflect the MMR. At the moment there are ways to calculate close estimates of the MMR (see for example implementation of the MMR tool), but if ladder histories & player names would be hidden, it would not be possible in many cases.
Stabley
Profile Joined July 2011
United States90 Posts
May 07 2014 18:44 GMT
#76
On May 08 2014 03:41 korona wrote:
Both ideas suggested in the original post are bad ideas. Ladder system is only legit if match histories are available & players can be tracked. Hiding player names and / or match history would only be beneficial for abusers. It would be harder to be caught from hacking, cheating, MMR abusing, etc when the opponents could not track player's data / match history to verify the abuse & report him.

Hiding match history regarding ladder matches is not a solution (I would be pleased to see more information on match history of current web profiles). At the moment players already can hide their custom games from the match history if they want. One thing that could be considered is to have a privacy setting to hide build order tables from the match history, but not the match itself.


The current ladder system makes it also hard to deduce player MMRs. The visible ladder points & division ranks often do not reflect the MMR. At the moment there are ways to calculate close estimates of the MMR (see for example implementation of the MMR tool), but if ladder histories & player names would be hidden, it would not be possible in many cases.


Okay, well make it so the information is still presentable and trackable on the ladder, but prevent players from checking out match details like player names & BOs


Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 18:57:35
May 07 2014 18:49 GMT
#77
The issue isn't with barcode names, but simply any name that is the same as another.
In fact I always thought it was strange/stupid that people "settled" on barcode names, since they can vary in length and the character(s) used, making it a far more unique identifier than it could otherwise be. People should just name themselves "zerg", "player", "anonymous" or something else generic, including existing popular names such as chris or john.

I think the idea that was given was good, but it seems like it would be problematic for reporting harassment or hate speech or hacking/abuse, or anything else.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 07 2014 18:59 GMT
#78
Explain why the hell it matters what their name is and why you care?

You don't know them anyway. Rename everyone poopfeast420, same situation.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 07 2014 19:01 GMT
#79
On May 08 2014 03:59 Capped wrote:
Explain why the hell it matters what their name is and why you care?

You don't know them anyway. Rename everyone poopfeast420, same situation.

I think you missed the point.

Keep them as barcodes if you want, just show their real names on ladder.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
May 07 2014 19:11 GMT
#80
100% sir,
Just disgusting that other can see your history.

On May 08 2014 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Keep them as barcodes if you want, just show their real names on ladder.

Why? Such barcode players don't want show real names on ladder. They even dont care about GM or TopMaster.

On May 08 2014 02:30 Stabley wrote:
It might be of your opinion that this is non issue, and that the GM rankings mean nothing, but for myself including many other players, the gm positions are kind of a spot of desire, and seeing barcodes in it is disheartening.

I am sure they don't care appreciation by other people about ladder rank/results.
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