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SkaPunk
United States471 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:22 Bratsche wrote: Abduct works on Spore/Spine Crawlers, rips 'em right out. Solved. That would be fantastic. Spores and Spines can move like units, why shouldn't they be treated like units? ITS NOT FAIR! But in all seriousness, its a good idea. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:23 effecto wrote: Sh... what a mistake David, you either lack of motivation or passion. Let's hope you can overcome it. Look, that post was pretty good. Then this came. Stop insulting the man personally! | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:26 SC2Toastie wrote: There's been word about changing them to be faster, give Locust a lower lifetime, a melee attack and more movement speed. They'd become really active units that way! I wouldn't be against trying out a lower life time for locusts so that there is at least a small period of downtime between wave spawns to try and make some move | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:26 SkaPunk wrote: That would be fantastic. Spores and Spines can move like units, why shouldn't they be treated like units? ITS NOT FAIR! But in all seriousness, its a good idea. Following that logic; Terran Structures can move ...  ? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:25 SC2Toastie wrote: By releasing 'quality of life' patches every now and then, which completely destabilize the metagame for weeks on end having a terrible effect on the Pro scene. The terrible effect on the pro scene helps the game feel fresh and entertaining for the viewers. One of the main issue of Blizzard's handling of the game is how scared they are to change stuff. If players can't adapt, it's really only their fault. And if patch come out often enough for it to not become stale, then there isn't any issue of " healthy pro scene ". | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:27 Shellshock wrote: I wouldn't be against trying out a lower life time for locusts so that there is at least a small period of downtime between wave spawns to try and make some move Downtime increase and mobility increase are what I would look at. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:26 SkaPunk wrote: That would be fantastic. Spores and Spines can move like units, why shouldn't they be treated like units? ITS NOT FAIR! But in all seriousness, its a good idea. By the same logic though all floating terran structures should then be able to be abducted because Vipers can currently abduct massive units | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:22 Plansix wrote: By patching the exact same way dota 2 is patched? By buffing the ways to deal with the problem, rather then nerfing it into the ground? The unit shouldn't be nerfed per say, but it should be redesigned to promote the multipronged SH style with constant repositioning. The change to the spore crawler and the Hydra is needed though. | ||
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Pino
1032 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9366 Posts
o There are downsides -- Abduct is a really cool ability, and it is something Zerg needs vs. Colossi in PvZ. Abilities with no remicro options are cool ???? I guess that's why David Kim is also a big fan of Force Fields. | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
Does blinding cloud negate swarm host attacks? That could work because it would reduce their usage in battle and would force players to continuously re mobilize them around the map in order to harass and snipe bases. Not sure if these ideas are any good as I only watch SC in my free time but never play anymore | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:28 Noocta wrote: The terrible effect on the pro scene helps the game feel fresh and entertaining for the viewers. One of the main issue of Blizzard's handling of the game is how scared they are to change stuff. If players can't adapt, it's really only their fault. And if patch come out often enough for it to not become stale, then there isn't any issue of " healthy pro scene ". No. It makes the game feel stupid because winners are determined by which race figures Patch 178.7.10 out faster than the opposition. That's dumb. I'll quickly stop watching if that becomes the case. You can't blame the players when they have to deal with a changing environment constantly. The difference between RTS and DotA is that the former requires development and actual strategies, well thought-out moves etcetera. The latter is mostly about communication and clutch actions in the 15 seconds of fame. Lastly, if the patches come that fast, there is no proscene to have issues. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:28 Incognoto wrote: I find it funny that the swarmhost get this sort of treatment from blizzard whereas protoss have their gateway units be complete crap to compensate for two arguably broken abilities in forcefields and warp gates. Because the Protoss issue goes much deeper and forces rebalancing of half the matchups in the game. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:22 SC2Toastie wrote: And where exactly is your suggestion? I still say the impact on ZvP and ZvT is not yet determinable. As for the rest; Ok. My suggestion? These are not the Bnet forums lol I can tell you a particular F1 car is not good enough, i can't tell you how to actually build a better one. One is capable of identifying problems without also bringing solutions. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:21 neptunusfisk wrote: Yeah, we can't give terran any stupid hopes about succeding beyond the midgame Huh? Please tell me how zerg fights skyterran without abduct. For reference, watch the game Impact just played vs Trimaster in the ATC. Now imagine that game without abduct on the BCs. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:29 Shellshock wrote: By the same logic though all floating terran structures should then be able to be abducted because Vipers can currently abduct massive units Would be a fix to the Avilo trolls that go mass raven viking PDD and lift off to a corner :D | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:29 ANLProbe wrote: The unit shouldn't be nerfed per say, but it should be redesigned to promote the multipronged SH style with constant repositioning. The change to the spore crawler and the Hydra is needed though. Suggestions? | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On May 07 2014 02:35 myRZeth wrote: yet again they ignore the real problem: the swarmhost Wtf did you read a single word of the op? | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:30 astray71 wrote: One idea could be limiting the amount of swarm hosts a player can make - therefore the remaining ~50? supply would be replaced by a secondary attack force. Does blinding cloud negate swarm host attacks? That could work because it would reduce their usage in battle and would force players to continuously re mobilize them around the map in order to harass and snipe bases. Not sure if these ideas are any good as I only watch SC in my free time but never play anymore 50 supply would be a bad number. Also, that kind of limit makes no sense whatsoever. For the MSC, having 1, makes reasonable sense. What do we set the limit at? Why? How? | ||
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