Balance Status Update 4/29/14 - Page 26

On May 01 2014 18:42 SatedSC2 wrote:

And yet when you tell people that they should just EMP Templar so that they can't Storm, everyone loses their minds!

=P

On May 01 2014 18:40 Thezzy wrote:
That might help the lategame production a bit and provide a bit more compositional flexibility.
A Fusion Core would be late enough not to affect the midgame.
It would be best if you could upgrade existing Tech-Labs and Reactors as well otherwise it wouldn't affect much.
Each Tech Lab could for instance be upgraded for 25/25/15 and Reactors for 50/0/15.

On May 01 2014 18:35 Luolis wrote:

Yea its not like toss has dominated for 7 months...

On May 01 2014 19:41 aZealot wrote:


Here, have a hanky.

On May 01 2014 18:32 maartendq wrote:

That might just be a little bit too much for Zerg to handle. 3/3 already shreds through muta/ling/baneling if microes correctly, 4/4 would just make a joke out of it, especially with the way the damage output of a ball of marines scales.

I am still convinced that a lot of Terran woes can be solved by just giving the siege tank its original damage back.

in T v Z the main issue is dealing with Zergs that like to Mass 30+ Muta, definitely feels OP when you have that many on the map. I'm not sure what would help here, but it doesn't seem like the xform change would address much, and Terran is usually getting 3/3 faster than Zerg anyway. Still, I welcome the xform change even if it doesn't address the issues, because it encourages more use of the ability.

On May 01 2014 21:06 MstrJinbo wrote:


30+ mutalisks don't just appear out of nowhere. It's due to favorable engagements in the midgame that lets Zerg take extra bases and build up their muta flock. Mass muta tvz is every bit a midgame problem. If in a game it feels otherwise, you were probably dead at 16 min but it took you 10 min to realize it. So a looking for a buff to the midgame like the transformation servos removal is very appropriate.

On May 01 2014 22:16 Butterednuts wrote:
Blizzard logic.

Terran is really strong because of Hellbats. Let's nerf the Hellbats!
Terran is really weak now because we nerfed Hellbats. Let's try to make mech work.
Mech isn't working and isn't as popular as hoped. Fuck it, have your Hellbats again.

On May 01 2014 21:19 Rollora wrote:

To prevent the 30 Mutalisk flock, you have to constantly engage zerg and force to lose units or at least harass.
If you don't get the zerg to lose mutas he fly's out and regens health, increases number.
You are 100% correct, that it is hard work to get the economy that way and to not lose mutas, but on the other hand the terran has to either make perfect harassement (drops are hard when mutas are out, so is harassement with banshees). What is left is walking parts of the army towards the opponent, which is often, if the moveout scouted, countered before the army gets there, countered on creep. And the longer the zergs eco stays untouched, the game snowballs.

If Zerg has already a number of mutas, lets say 15, he can keep you in your base like forever, so he can freely expand. IF(!) he controls the units right, he won't lose a muta but moreover grow the numbers.

Theorycrafted enough, that is the pessimistic view on zerg out of the terrans vision. But that can be turned around: Terran have their weapons as well, i know.

On May 01 2014 22:52 odem wrote:
Zerg can win lategame ZvT by 1-A deathball (muta,ling,bling,ultralisk,infestor) while only needing 1 control group to easily still use fungal growth.

Terran needs like how many control groups to effectively counter that shit? bio (stim), mines (burrow) vs bling clumps, raven (pdd/hsm) vs muta clumps, ghost (emp) vs infestor... [alternatively replace mines with tanks (siege) vs bling clumps]

--> thats like 4 control groups and absolutely impossible to micro even for the top world korean terrans

--> so u have to choose less caster units and will be in a disadvantage (OR U NEED 2 PLAYERS TO MICRO A TERRAN ARMY IN TVZ)

on the other hand mech just too fucking slow and doesnt really work on big maps

EXACTLY THIS is the reason there has never been successful terran foreigners (compared to zerg ez mode foreigners all over the place) + that is the reason why ZvT will always be fucked up.


not to mention in ZvZ or PvP a foreigner can always beat a korean but in TvT the foreigners get completely annihilated by koreans. guess what, terran takes actual skill to control.

so u either need to ensure terran has a way to effectively (!) counter muta clumps without needing 3 players to micro their army (by nerfig muta or buffing terran counters like dude above just said). or just ensure zerg actually needs to micro their own fucking units (f.e. bling friendly fire) to make it equal hard to play - not even speaking about protoss 1click early game defense.