• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:28
CEST 06:28
KST 13:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners5Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Douyu Cup 2026 Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
Data needed Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread PC Games Sales Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streaming Impacts Game P…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6971 users

Balance Status Update 4/29/14 - Page 25

Forum Index > SC2 General
697 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 35 Next All
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
May 01 2014 04:42 GMT
#481
Blizzard's First Aid profession must be at Zen Master proficiency, because they've been throwing band aids at this game since WOL Beta.

The Hellbat change is pretty interesting, but you know it's not going to have any huge effect because Zerg and Protoss aren't up in arms about it. Meanwhile MSC still has the two worst spells in the game both on the same unit, mech is still useless in TvP, Swarm Hosts still exist, and four Terrans made it into Code S this season by the skin of their teeth.

But by all means, keep removing upgrades from this game, because if nothing else, pros abusing timing windows like their careers depend on it makes the game look balanced.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 05:26:53
May 01 2014 05:23 GMT
#482
On April 30 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 21:20 shivver wrote:
haha I was "temporarily suspended" on the bnet forums for 4,166 days for "harassment" for stating that the best balance update that can happen to sc2 is the removal of david kim from the balance team just as diablo 3 did for jay wilson.

truth hurts and I guess I hit a sweet spot

nofuksgiven/

It just makes you a respectless pos, wouldn't be too proud of that.


I'll never understand why some people don't think respect is earned.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
May 01 2014 05:32 GMT
#483
On May 01 2014 14:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:
On April 30 2014 21:20 shivver wrote:
haha I was "temporarily suspended" on the bnet forums for 4,166 days for "harassment" for stating that the best balance update that can happen to sc2 is the removal of david kim from the balance team just as diablo 3 did for jay wilson.

truth hurts and I guess I hit a sweet spot

nofuksgiven/

It just makes you a respectless pos, wouldn't be too proud of that.


I'll never understand why some people don't think respect is earned.


It's a two way road.
CutTheEnemy
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada373 Posts
May 01 2014 05:56 GMT
#484
I haven't watched every game in korea, but I watch a lot, and I haven't watched a lategame TvP in months that ended in a terran victory. MMA beat Zest in a macro game, but it was a slight snowball from earlier good play where the toss was at a disadvantage.

Honestly, I think that this is the problem: Terran has no tier 3 bio, and terran is super weak pre-10 minutes.

Terran reaches max strength at the midgame as shields, stim, medivacs and 2/2 hit. Widow mines and hellbats are available at this time too, but that's about it. 3/3 is a boost, but they have no lategame army composition except the addition of a few ghosts/vikings to counter specific threats. They don't have anything of their own to transition into.

By comparison, protoss has tempests, storms, colossus, archons, carriers (sos vs jjakji), immortals, and massive massive warpins become available over time. Zerg has broodlords and ultralisks, infestors, vipers, swarmhosts, muta switches and baneling mines.

Terran can transition into what, ravens? Lategame mech transition? They max out around 12-16 minutes in strength except for a second answer to a second toss AOE source, and then they either win in that window or die after it.

TLDR: terrans need an early game buff that kicks in before 10 minutes and a lategame tier 3 unit that's viable to add in. And lets not encourage mass ravens- Avilo has shown us what that looks like.
Can we help spread the word and create pressure to get Rob Pardo to replace Browder as head of Sc2? Pardo led the team for broodwar, frozen throne, and wow/BC. We need to make this a thing before LotV development starts. Think about it.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
May 01 2014 06:28 GMT
#485
Terran needs a whining buff. The amount of nerfs they get and how badly they perform clearly points out to the real problem: very poor whining skills.

Alternatively they could build more ravens.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8066 Posts
May 01 2014 07:54 GMT
#486
Siege tanks moving while sieged. Only solution 8)
PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
May 01 2014 08:03 GMT
#487
On May 01 2014 16:54 Vasoline73 wrote:
Siege tanks moving while sieged. Only solution 8)


would make mech viable :D
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
May 01 2014 08:08 GMT
#488
On May 01 2014 15:28 scypio wrote:
Terran needs a whining buff. The amount of nerfs they get and how badly they perform clearly points out to the real problem: very poor whining skills.

Alternatively they could build more ravens.

Maybe you could write Mr. Chae, he shall then spread the word of the forgotten terran unit, the raven. The metagame will change for sure!
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
May 01 2014 08:49 GMT
#489
On May 01 2014 15:28 scypio wrote:
Terran needs a whining buff. The amount of nerfs they get and how badly they perform clearly points out to the real problem: very poor whining skills.

Alternatively they could build more ravens.


I am sure raven is the answer versus muta/ling/bane and high templars.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
May 01 2014 08:52 GMT
#490
If only Ravens didn't require a whole Tech-Lab Starport and take a whole minute to produce at 200 gas each so you could actually get a few of them at the same time.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
ElvenAshwin
Profile Joined October 2013
169 Posts
May 01 2014 08:53 GMT
#491
I thought zergs were whiny when they were complaining about the widow mine after the overseer buff, but jesus people are all up in arms about terran being UP.
In Jaedong we trust
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
May 01 2014 08:53 GMT
#492
On May 01 2014 17:49 Frex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 15:28 scypio wrote:
Terran needs a whining buff. The amount of nerfs they get and how badly they perform clearly points out to the real problem: very poor whining skills.

Alternatively they could build more ravens.


I am sure raven is the answer versus muta/ling/bane and high templars.

raven 10 times the caster high templar can ever be! Takes great effort to split your 10 templars so they don't all die to one HSM (or two?).
Michael Probu
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
May 01 2014 08:57 GMT
#493
On May 01 2014 17:53 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 17:49 Frex wrote:
On May 01 2014 15:28 scypio wrote:
Terran needs a whining buff. The amount of nerfs they get and how badly they perform clearly points out to the real problem: very poor whining skills.

Alternatively they could build more ravens.


I am sure raven is the answer versus muta/ling/bane and high templars.

raven 10 times the caster high templar can ever be! Takes great effort to split your 10 templars so they don't all die to one HSM (or two?).


What, you just feedback them so they can not HSM.
desertfrog817
Profile Joined June 2013
United States16 Posts
May 01 2014 09:07 GMT
#494
Just give us a level 4 infantry for late game we do good fine in early and mid for terran, its the late game that been a hassle with zerg and protoss doing tech switch
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 09:18:04
May 01 2014 09:17 GMT
#495
On May 01 2014 18:07 desertfrog817 wrote:
Just give us a level 4 infantry for late game we do good fine in early and mid for terran, its the late game that been a hassle with zerg and protoss doing tech switch


They would never do it in balance patch, too dramatic change. I can imagine them doing something like this in expansion.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
May 01 2014 09:32 GMT
#496
On May 01 2014 18:07 desertfrog817 wrote:
Just give us a level 4 infantry for late game we do good fine in early and mid for terran, its the late game that been a hassle with zerg and protoss doing tech switch

That might just be a little bit too much for Zerg to handle. 3/3 already shreds through muta/ling/baneling if microes correctly, 4/4 would just make a joke out of it, especially with the way the damage output of a ball of marines scales.

I am still convinced that a lot of Terran woes can be solved by just giving the siege tank its original damage back.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7176 Posts
May 01 2014 09:35 GMT
#497
On April 30 2014 10:39 aZealot wrote:
Good god, leave the game alone for a few months. The last patch was just over a month ago.

Fucking QQ always gets its way.

Yea its not like toss has dominated for 7 months...
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
submarine
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany290 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 09:52:22
May 01 2014 09:36 GMT
#498
On May 01 2014 14:56 CutTheEnemy wrote:
I haven't watched every game in korea, but I watch a lot, and I haven't watched a lategame TvP in months that ended in a terran victory. MMA beat Zest in a macro game, but it was a slight snowball from earlier good play where the toss was at a disadvantage.

Honestly, I think that this is the problem: Terran has no tier 3 bio, and terran is super weak pre-10 minutes.

Terran reaches max strength at the midgame as shields, stim, medivacs and 2/2 hit. Widow mines and hellbats are available at this time too, but that's about it. 3/3 is a boost, but they have no lategame army composition except the addition of a few ghosts/vikings to counter specific threats. They don't have anything of their own to transition into.

By comparison, protoss has tempests, storms, colossus, archons, carriers (sos vs jjakji), immortals, and massive massive warpins become available over time. Zerg has broodlords and ultralisks, infestors, vipers, swarmhosts, muta switches and baneling mines.

Terran can transition into what, ravens? Lategame mech transition? They max out around 12-16 minutes in strength except for a second answer to a second toss AOE source, and then they either win in that window or die after it.

TLDR: terrans need an early game buff that kicks in before 10 minutes and a lategame tier 3 unit that's viable to add in. And lets not encourage mass ravens- Avilo has shown us what that looks like.


What about a Techreactor for 50/50/25 as soon fusion core finishes? Both techlabs and reactors could be upgraded. This would help a lot with tech transitions and remaxing in late game situations.

This would basically remove the infrastructure bottleneck from terran once they are in place. Transitions to high tech units and battlecruiser in particular would be a lot smoother.

Maybe in LotV :D
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
May 01 2014 09:40 GMT
#499
That might help the lategame production a bit and provide a bit more compositional flexibility.
A Fusion Core would be late enough not to affect the midgame.
It would be best if you could upgrade existing Tech-Labs and Reactors as well otherwise it wouldn't affect much.
Each Tech Lab could for instance be upgraded for 25/25/15 and Reactors for 50/0/15.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
May 01 2014 09:42 GMT
#500
--- Nuked ---
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
StarCraft Evolution League #22
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
22:30
OSC Elite Rising Star #19
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 123
FoxeR 83
ProTech77
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3762
GuemChi 3269
Rain 2885
Aegong 46
Mind 40
ZergMaN 25
Terrorterran 22
Bale 20
Noble 16
JulyZerg 6
[ Show more ]
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm147
League of Legends
JimRising 791
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv731
Other Games
summit1g8674
C9.Mang0585
WinterStarcraft294
ViBE96
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV188
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP103
• practicex 36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1013
• RayReign65
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 32m
Maestros of the Game
9h 32m
Classic vs Maru
Serral vs herO
TBD vs Clem
Replay Cast
19h 32m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 5h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 10h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 14h
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.