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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On April 19 2014 23:44 ZodaSoda wrote: This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates... Is there a counter to swarmhost zvz? I havn't seen any game go to swarmhost vs swarmhost and thus never seen the transition. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
It's like PF spam in TvZ mech vs SH, the Reality vs whoever game was a fun one timer but what if it happened often? Would we watch ravens and floating buildings and waves of locusts do nothing for 1H30? | ||
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VegaMatt
United Kingdom11 Posts
On April 19 2014 23:44 ZodaSoda wrote: This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates... there is no counter in zvz to swarmhost | ||
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
How about transitioning into air? Or abusing the lack of mobility of SH by running zerglings into his base? There's a reason why we don't see SH vs SH in high level games (Proleague); because SH is not really a good unit in ZvZ. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
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pajoondies
United States316 Posts
all it takes is for just ONE extremely long match like this to ruin a LAN's schedule (people begin to leave because the game is boring, taking too long, getting late, etc), imagine if they have more than one? LAN would never end | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3489 Posts
Though this is obviously really sad and something needs to be done to the Swarm Host and even though both are treated the same, one player might've just invested twice as much practice in using Swarm Hosts than the other player... | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
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ZodaSoda
Australia1191 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On April 19 2014 23:48 Pangpootata wrote: How about transitioning into air? Or abusing the lack of mobility of SH by running zerglings into his base? There's a reason why we don't see SH vs SH in high level games (Proleague); because SH is not really a good unit in ZvZ. Very map dependent. On certain maps, what you describe is absolutely doable. On others, there really is no way to break entrenched SH turtles. Zerg air just gets murdered by spores and vipers. The reason you don't see SH in ZvZ at that level is because of a different meta compared to EU, and also because if you scout your opponent rushing to SH you can often just go and kill him. Once it's established, it's virtually unbreakable. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
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madals
United Kingdom624 Posts
 #ManaFireCakeNeverForgetOn a serious note though, there WAS a remake before they made this ruling. The first game went for 2hr+ before a remake was called, after an hour in the remake the EXACT same situation occurred. | ||
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AnonymousSC2
United States189 Posts
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ETisME
12703 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
I know, how about we give BLs pre tempest nerf range upgrade. And instead of broodlings, it shoots warhounds. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On April 19 2014 23:53 madals wrote: Why is it always when PengWin and I are casting together, this shit happens #ManaFireCakeNeverForgetOn a serious note though, there WAS a remake before they made this ruling. The first game went for 2hr+ before a remake was called, after an hour in the remake the EXACT same situation occurred. so the correlation of pengwin+madals and horrible games is 1.0 ... I think madals and pengwin should've been banned rather than swarmhosts | ||
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Ourk
United Kingdom298 Posts
4.11. Draws & Stalemates If a player deliberately plays for a stalemate, administrators hold the right to decide the outcome of the game. If there is a natural stalemate the game will be replayed. he was deliberately trying to cause a stalemate both games, he could never win game 1 or game 2 but i was still mining and trying my best to stop him from doing this but nothing worked, he had a chance the first game and it was a rematch but he did the same game 2 i think it was fair what they did. | ||
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VTJRaen
United Kingdom238 Posts
Just to note, Swarmhosts were not banned, and are not banned at iSeries. An administrative decision was made after a re-game due to a natural stalemate, that in the second game Miniraser was in a position where he was playing for another re-game and, given the stated rules regarding such actions (especially with specific time restraints) that the map win would be awarded to his opponent. Miniraser was understandably frustrated, and took those frustrations first to the admins and then to Twitter. | ||
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