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On April 19 2014 23:44 ZodaSoda wrote: This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates...
Is there a counter to swarmhost zvz? I havn't seen any game go to swarmhost vs swarmhost and thus never seen the transition.
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Having watched SH vs SH ZvZ on some streams, to be honest this is understandable... If you're organizing a tournament for entertainment purposes and because of one unit it turns into 2h games were nothing happens, what are you supposed to do? Lose viewers and do nothing about it, while delaying the whole tournament? Banning the unit is extreme, but what else can you do? Asking the players to not play SH would be worse than a public ban of the unit in my opinion, and would result in a massive shitfest when it is discovered. It's like PF spam in TvZ mech vs SH, the Reality vs whoever game was a fun one timer but what if it happened often? Would we watch ravens and floating buildings and waves of locusts do nothing for 1H30?
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On April 19 2014 23:44 ZodaSoda wrote: This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates... there is no counter in zvz to swarmhost
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On April 19 2014 23:46 VegaMatt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 23:44 ZodaSoda wrote: This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates... there is no counter in zvz to swarmhost How about transitioning into air? Or abusing the lack of mobility of SH by running zerglings into his base? There's a reason why we don't see SH vs SH in high level games (Proleague); because SH is not really a good unit in ZvZ.
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can't wait for monobattle tournaments!
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GG blizzard, how many times do we have to have idiotic games before they realize the game has problems
all it takes is for just ONE extremely long match like this to ruin a LAN's schedule (people begin to leave because the game is boring, taking too long, getting late, etc), imagine if they have more than one? LAN would never end
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I can see how an 2 hour 10 minute stalemate game can get you behind on schedule. At least both the players were Zerg and both were treated equally. Though this is obviously really sad and something needs to be done to the Swarm Host and even though both are treated the same, one player might've just invested twice as much practice in using Swarm Hosts than the other player...
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a counter would be using vipers to abuse swarmhosts or mutas to disrupt mining, there's is plenty things to do to make a zvz not last 2 hours and if you really think otherwise, you're full of it...
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I'd personally just ban the players out of the tourney.
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On April 19 2014 23:48 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 23:46 VegaMatt wrote:On April 19 2014 23:44 ZodaSoda wrote: This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates... there is no counter in zvz to swarmhost How about transitioning into air? Or abusing the lack of mobility of SH by running zerglings into his base? There's a reason why we don't see SH vs SH in high level games (Proleague); because SH is not really a good unit in ZvZ. Very map dependent. On certain maps, what you describe is absolutely doable. On others, there really is no way to break entrenched SH turtles. Zerg air just gets murdered by spores and vipers.
The reason you don't see SH in ZvZ at that level is because of a different meta compared to EU, and also because if you scout your opponent rushing to SH you can often just go and kill him. Once it's established, it's virtually unbreakable.
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I smell an ESEX article in the making :D
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Why is it always when PengWin and I are casting together, this shit happens #ManaFireCakeNeverForget
On a serious note though, there WAS a remake before they made this ruling. The first game went for 2hr+ before a remake was called, after an hour in the remake the EXACT same situation occurred.
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I approve the tournament's decision. Hey, Blizzard, maybe you should pay attention. When tournaments are banning certain units, you fucked up.
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Didn't swarmhost style die out in Korea because of baneling roach keeps crushing it?
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Hahaha, great way to start the day. Would what Blizzy is going to do? Will they even comment?
I know, how about we give BLs pre tempest nerf range upgrade. And instead of broodlings, it shoots warhounds.
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On April 19 2014 23:53 madals wrote:Why is it always when PengWin and I are casting together, this shit happens #ManaFireCakeNeverForget On a serious note though, there WAS a remake before they made this ruling. The first game went for 2hr+ before a remake was called, after an hour in the remake the EXACT same situation occurred.
so the correlation of pengwin+madals and horrible games is 1.0 ... I think madals and pengwin should've been banned rather than swarmhosts
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ok im sorry but this is so wrong, they didnt ban the Swamhosts it was the fact both games mini and i went SH both games i was out playing him and he was forced to uproot into his base, on the i51 webstie you can look at the rules and it says
4.11. Draws & Stalemates
If a player deliberately plays for a stalemate, administrators hold the right to decide the outcome of the game. If there is a natural stalemate the game will be replayed.
he was deliberately trying to cause a stalemate both games, he could never win game 1 or game 2 but i was still mining and trying my best to stop him from doing this but nothing worked, he had a chance the first game and it was a rematch but he did the same game 2 i think it was fair what they did.
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Full disclosure: I am the Mutliplay eSports Co-Ordinator and the person who agreed with and enforced this specific rule.
Just to note, Swarmhosts were not banned, and are not banned at iSeries.
An administrative decision was made after a re-game due to a natural stalemate, that in the second game Miniraser was in a position where he was playing for another re-game and, given the stated rules regarding such actions (especially with specific time restraints) that the map win would be awarded to his opponent.
Miniraser was understandably frustrated, and took those frustrations first to the admins and then to Twitter.
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