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i51 gives Miniraser loss for playing for stalemate

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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 21:59:21
April 19 2014 14:28 GMT
#1
Update: Miniraser was given a loss for intentionally playing for a draw, not for making swarm hosts.

On April 19 2014 23:56 Ourk wrote:
ok im sorry but this is so wrong, they didnt ban the Swamhosts it was the fact both games mini and i went SH both games i was out playing him and he was forced to uproot into his base, on the i51 webstie you can look at the rules and it says

4.11. Draws & Stalemates

If a player deliberately plays for a stalemate, administrators hold the right to decide the outcome of the game.
If there is a natural stalemate the game will be replayed.

he was deliberately trying to cause a stalemate both games, he could never win game 1 or game 2 but i was still mining and trying my best to stop him from doing this but nothing worked, he had a chance the first game and it was a rematch but he did the same game 2 i think it was fair what they did.


i51 tournament admins gave Miniraser a loss after they determined he was "playing for a stalemate" against his opponent Ourk (which included uses swarm hosts to turtle). i15's rules state that admins can decide the result of a game if they determine a player is deliberately playing for a stalemate (Rule 4.11).

Miniraser had originally claimed that Swarm Host use was banned by admins after he and Ourk played a 2 hour Swarm Host stalemate.





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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 19 2014 14:30 GMT
#2
Hahahahahahahahaha brilliant :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
April 19 2014 14:31 GMT
#3
Swarmhost confirmed killing esport
yo
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 19 2014 14:32 GMT
#4
lol what the fuck
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Valeranth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States100 Posts
April 19 2014 14:33 GMT
#5
This is a really dumb and bad ruling. If the game stalled for 2 hours then have the admin step in and restart the game. Don't ban a unit. Might as well force each race to play a single style.
Vete
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany190 Posts
April 19 2014 14:33 GMT
#6
I can unterstand his decision because no one wants to play/see 3'' Mana vs Firecake'' reloaded games in a row but It is like you would ban Protoss in a Tournament (some people would like the idea).



Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 14:34:35
April 19 2014 14:34 GMT
#7
I find it completely fucking terrible and equally completely fucking hilarious. I'm so torn.

EDIT: Spelling~~
"Amazing how something so simple as a fat person and gravity can be so amusing. Classic!"
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 14:35:41
April 19 2014 14:34 GMT
#8
That is one dumbest things I've heard so far this year. Seriously, that is completely fucking retarded. This takes any credibility of the tournament and craps all over it.

What's next? People don't like all ins and FF, ban sentries! Mech turtle is stupid, ban raven! You can't run a tournament like that.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
April 19 2014 14:35 GMT
#9
On April 19 2014 23:33 Vete wrote:
"It is like you would ban Protoss in a Tournament (some people would like the idea)."


This needs to happen.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 19 2014 14:35 GMT
#10
I can't stop laughing
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Verator
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
April 19 2014 14:39 GMT
#11
If blizzard refuses to balance their own game competently, the community has to. This is a bit extreme, but the scene can't wait for blizzard for years to realize the flaws of their methods.
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 19 2014 14:41 GMT
#12
I mean... if the SC2 part of the LAN can't get played out because they delayed the schedule too much, then at least I can understand it...
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
April 19 2014 14:41 GMT
#13
doing it in the middle of a series/tournament is obviously stupid, but no problem whatsoever with this sort of rule at the outset
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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
April 19 2014 14:41 GMT
#14
Haha thats so sad its funny again.
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
April 19 2014 14:41 GMT
#15
On April 19 2014 23:35 Amazonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 23:33 Vete wrote:
"It is like you would ban Protoss in a Tournament (some people would like the idea)."


This needs to happen.


Behold http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/447023-starship-troopers-ultimate-edition-8-man-invite
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
April 19 2014 14:43 GMT
#16
I'm so happy this finally happened, I'm loving this news piece!
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 19 2014 14:43 GMT
#17
On April 19 2014 23:39 Verator wrote:
If blizzard refuses to balance their own game competently, the community has to. This is a bit extreme, but the scene can't wait for blizzard for years to realize the flaws of their methods.

It's the design of Swarmhost which allows these games not the balance.
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VegaMatt
Profile Joined April 2014
United Kingdom11 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 14:45:56
April 19 2014 14:44 GMT
#18
swarmhost is fucking retarded, they cant be bothered to fix zerg lategame so they dont change the swarmhost, but in zvz you can actually force a draw if you go swarmhost and theres nothing your opponent can do about it.
ZodaSoda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1191 Posts
April 19 2014 14:44 GMT
#19
This is more of the case of players not switching to counters and just making swarmhosts than swarmhosts causing stalemates...
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33629 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 14:46:14
April 19 2014 14:46 GMT
#20
that's pretty bad, but it's not like they decided the outcome with a coinflip because they ran out of time
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