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On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not.
The thing is he didn't show good games. What most of us are mad about is the probe rush and now complaining about soundproof issue and forfeiting a match at a big event. Who said it was a popularity contest? I agree with you, if he show good games then I won't say anything.
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On March 23 2014 08:05 Forgottenfrog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. The thing is he didn't show good games. What most of us are mad about is the probe rush and now complaining about soundproof issue and forfeiting a match at a big event. Who said it was a popularity contest? I agree with you, if he show good games then I won't say anything.
Pretty isolated events? You bring up two examples over several years. I mean he consistently came furthest of all foreigners in tournaments, If beaten only by Stephano in success by non koreans. In no way was cheese overrepresented. Sure he did occasionally but mostly it was 2-3base timings kinda like MC. Saying he dind't generally show good games is pretty damn silly, I for one don't like his personality but I'm very sad that one of the very few foreigners that could actually compete with the Koreans at a regular basis now are gone.
And the probe rush gimme a break, sure it was stupid but I mean it was a game meaning nothing for any of the players, it didn't matter at all. Sure he should have 4-gated/cannon rushed or something but hey, the essence of it would still have been there, it's hard to take it seriously when nothing is at stake and you definitely don't want to show actual builds. Again, I don't agree with it but it's not that big of a deal, christ people on internet can be so sensitive.
And people saying this is good for SC2, It sure as hell isn't good, there's alot less viewers in tourneys without foreigners and I cant see who will fill his spot. Scarlett seems to be the only true foreigner hope left, Loads of players can take games of top Koreans for sure but I see noone else doing it regularly, please correct me if I miss someone.
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On March 23 2014 08:05 Forgottenfrog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. The thing is he didn't show good games. What most of us are mad about is the probe rush and now complaining about soundproof issue and forfeiting a match at a big event. Who said it was a popularity contest? I agree with you, if he show good games then I won't say anything.
So basically, one game from years ago. Why would you expect him to show quality games in an event in which he doesn't want to play and for which he hasn't practiced in over a month?
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On March 23 2014 08:34 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 08:05 Forgottenfrog wrote:On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. The thing is he didn't show good games. What most of us are mad about is the probe rush and now complaining about soundproof issue and forfeiting a match at a big event. Who said it was a popularity contest? I agree with you, if he show good games then I won't say anything. So basically, one game from years ago. Why would you expect him to show quality games in an event in which he doesn't want to play and for which he hasn't practiced in over a month? I don't know, because that's his job? It's what a large organization is paying him (if rumors are correct) a quite substantial amount of money to do, and what the tournament has flown him there at their expense to do?
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Naniwa's attitude doesn't bode well for his life outside of progaming.
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Do your job.
Otherwise, leave and stop your continuous whining. Great move from Alliance.
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On March 23 2014 09:39 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 08:34 GolemMadness wrote:On March 23 2014 08:05 Forgottenfrog wrote:On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. The thing is he didn't show good games. What most of us are mad about is the probe rush and now complaining about soundproof issue and forfeiting a match at a big event. Who said it was a popularity contest? I agree with you, if he show good games then I won't say anything. So basically, one game from years ago. Why would you expect him to show quality games in an event in which he doesn't want to play and for which he hasn't practiced in over a month? I don't know, because that's his job? It's what a large organization is paying him (if rumors are correct) a quite substantial amount of money to do, and what the tournament has flown him there at their expense to do?
Except he didn't want to play Starcraft 2 anymore, and he told his team he wanted to drop out and be replaced by somebody else, so...
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On March 23 2014 11:25 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 09:39 bduddy wrote:I don't know, because that's his job? It's what a large organization is paying him (if rumors are correct) a quite substantial amount of money to do, and what the tournament has flown him there at their expense to do?
Except he didn't want to play Starcraft 2 anymore, and he told his team he wanted to drop out and be replaced by somebody else, so...
...so maybe he should have left instead of staying there getting paid and waiting to give his boss a reason to fire him?
This entire topic seems to be divided between people who have a job and an idea of how this works, and people who think that a professional workplace is a magical land in a fairy tale with rainbows and unicorns, where the employer only has his employees' best interests at heart.
You know what? It's not.
If you want to quit your job *right now*, quit it right now *and* pay whatever you're required to pay to do that. If you don't want to do that, keep doing your job until you're actually allowed to leave. You don't like it? Deal with it.
Skill and popularity have nothing to do with it. The only exception is if you can make yourself sufficiently valuable for your company to allow for "unusual" behavior. Not a lot of people can do that, and that's not always a good thing, far from it.
There's nothing esports-specific here. Or sports-specific even. It's the way this works pretty much everywhere. If you don't do your job when you're supposed to, you actually become a liability for the company and you're not in a position where you bring in more money that it'd cost to fire you, you get fired. No one cares if you suddenly decide you don't like your job anymore. You want to move? Move. Otherwise, do your job. That's on *you*, not on your employer.
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On March 23 2014 11:25 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 09:39 bduddy wrote:On March 23 2014 08:34 GolemMadness wrote:On March 23 2014 08:05 Forgottenfrog wrote:On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. The thing is he didn't show good games. What most of us are mad about is the probe rush and now complaining about soundproof issue and forfeiting a match at a big event. Who said it was a popularity contest? I agree with you, if he show good games then I won't say anything. So basically, one game from years ago. Why would you expect him to show quality games in an event in which he doesn't want to play and for which he hasn't practiced in over a month? I don't know, because that's his job? It's what a large organization is paying him (if rumors are correct) a quite substantial amount of money to do, and what the tournament has flown him there at their expense to do? Except he didn't want to play Starcraft 2 anymore, and he told his team he wanted to drop out and be replaced by somebody else, so...
In the business world, people don't just get to choose when they get to stop honoring their contract. He may not have wanted to play anymore, and he should have thought about that scenario before signing a contract that placed Starcraft 2 as his full time job.
Imagine how people would feel if Alliance just decided to stop paying Naniwa for the remainder of their contract because they didn't like him anymore for no valid reason? The community would have a fit about it. At the end of the day, contracts are in place for both parties to hold up their end of the terms. If he didn't want to take on the responsibility of the contract, he shouldn't have entered into it.
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Naniwa better get his ass back into Esports because he sure as hell isn't going to be making any money working in the real world. He acts as if he's entitled to so much for being the "best foreigner".. literally who cares? You're the best minor league player in the world... in a niche gaming community... get a grip lol.
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On March 23 2014 12:08 Maniak_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 11:25 GolemMadness wrote:On March 23 2014 09:39 bduddy wrote:I don't know, because that's his job? It's what a large organization is paying him (if rumors are correct) a quite substantial amount of money to do, and what the tournament has flown him there at their expense to do?
Except he didn't want to play Starcraft 2 anymore, and he told his team he wanted to drop out and be replaced by somebody else, so... ...so maybe he should have left instead of staying there getting paid and waiting to give his boss a reason to fire him? This entire topic seems to be divided between people who have a job and an idea of how this works, and people who think that a professional workplace is a magical land in a fairy tale with rainbows and unicorns, where the employer only has his employees' best interests at heart. You know what? It's not. If you want to quit your job *right now*, quit it right now *and* pay whatever you're required to pay to do that. If you don't want to do that, keep doing your job until you're actually allowed to leave. You don't like it? Deal with it. Skill and popularity have nothing to do with it. The only exception is if you can make yourself sufficiently valuable for your company to allow for "unusual" behavior. Not a lot of people can do that, and that's not always a good thing, far from it. There's nothing esports-specific here. Or sports-specific even. It's the way this works pretty much everywhere. If you don't do your job when you're supposed to, you actually become a liability for the company and you're not in a position where you bring in more money that it'd cost to fire you, you get fired. No one cares if you suddenly decide you don't like your job anymore. You want to move? Move. Otherwise, do your job. That's on *you*, not on your employer.
Maybe he wanted to have the option to come back in the future, and Alliance could have arranged a deal with him where he goes on leave without pay until he figures out what he wants to do?
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I've seen the "no one would do that if they hadn't been playing for a month" Can someone clue me in as to why people think it is acceptable to call yourself a "professional" SC2 player but not play/practice?
Then use the fact that you haven't been doing your job as an excuse to continue to not do your job and then complain about people insisting you do your job or you get fired?
The only sensible explanation is a variation of the most recent one in which this was like a big headed athlete listening to the wrong people and holding out during training camp into preseason and then not only not getting a better deal but losing the one he had.
Whatever he wanted pretty sure there would of been a better way to get it.
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On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not.
This isn't about being a personality contest. This is about having some basic manners and professionalism. There are plenty of showoffs in the scene, like Stephano and MC, but the difference between them and Naniwa (and in some extent Idra) is that they know when to fool around and when to keep their mouth shut.
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On March 23 2014 15:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
I've seen the "no one would do that if they hadn't been playing for a month" Can someone clue me in as to why people think it is acceptable to call yourself a "professional" SC2 player but not play/practice?
Then use the fact that you haven't been doing your job as an excuse to continue to not do your job and then complain about people insisting you do your job or you get fired?
The only sensible explanation is a variation of the most recent one in which this was like a big headed athlete listening to the wrong people and holding out during training camp into preseason and then not only not getting a better deal but losing the one he had.
Whatever he wanted pretty sure there would of been a better way to get it.
What are you talking about? He just doesn't want to play the game anymore, so he stopped playing.
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What a sad way to end a career.. A good one at that.. :/
GL HF in life Nani.. To end a such a good carreer in that way,.. - quite a bit sad.. 
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On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
Yeah, because no scene thrives on more polarizing personalities and having things to talk about. What we need is more professional players, because if there's one thing people love, it's talking about how professional people are.
I could not say it better myself. I simply do not understand all the hate that Naniwa gets. I guess that too many people loves to be drama queens nowadays. How lovely!
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On March 23 2014 18:18 VArsovskiSC wrote:What a sad way to end a career.. A good one at that.. :/ GL HF in life Nani.. To end a such a good carreer in that way,.. - quite a bit sad..
I don't think it's sad. It depends on your interpretation. The masses make it sound negative, but Naniwa is doing what he feels is the best for him and his drive for competing is staying high, although currently not in Starcraft. How can this be sad?
I'm happy for him. He is a personality and he chooses what he wants to do. I hope he will keep on realizing himself.
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On March 23 2014 16:54 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote:On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote:
I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. This isn't about being a personality contest. This is about having some basic manners and professionalism. There are plenty of showoffs in the scene, like Stephano and MC, but the difference between them and Naniwa (and in some extent Idra) is that they know when to fool around and when to keep their mouth shut.
Keep their mouth shut and stephano, really? Like what he msg'd to Bling - were you living under a rock? :p
Naniwa seems like an ass but he is by far and large the most interesting player IMO and attracted alot of viewers
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Watching Naniwa meltdown on stage was one of the wildest moments in SC2 tournament history. The casters and crowd were absolutely baffled and forced to endure like 10 minutes of awkward confusion. This is how we will remember Nani? Instead of bowing out in a blaze of glory, he whimpered and made excuses for an unfair world.
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On March 21 2014 17:25 b0rt_ wrote:
Is Nani rich? What is he going to do now? How do you hold a job with an attitude like that?
I doubt anyone would give a personality like him a job in real world, he has just been lucky in sc2 due his good skill. In RL his attitude will screw him even more than it did in sc2.
Btw, GJ Alliance 
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