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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On March 22 2014 21:25 Faruko wrote: He does have a point when he says he qualified fair and square, the other foreigners didnt Ofc he does. He is just redirecting the flames, so that people focus less on him being a douche. But his point comes with that certain unjustified arrogance | ||
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Zeze
Norway41 Posts
On March 22 2014 20:14 dUTtrOACh wrote: They threatened "consequences". You know, they shook their cheque-books and said "or else". How is that a threat? You don't do your job you don't get paid, in what world is that a threat and not the common understanding of a employer/employe relationship? | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
Unless he was fired for not practicing, but then they shouldn't have forced him to go, but relieve him of contract prior. | ||
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LamaMitHut
Germany187 Posts
im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. sad but true XD | ||
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stefantheterran
Austria61 Posts
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yido
United States350 Posts
On March 22 2014 10:15 ArTiFaKs wrote: I don't know why everyone expects Professional SC2 players to be "role-models" or the standard for how people should behave. Look at professional athletes in any sport and the reason they are paid money to play a sport is because of their talent on the field. Shit Ray Lewis played football and will probably be in the hall of fame even though he went to trial for murder. There are plenty of shitty people that turn out to be good at a sport, and the same thing is true in SC2. People don't expect Naniwa to be a "role-model", but they expected him to behave like an "adult" that had a microbe of sportsmanship in his body. I don't think there is a doubt that Ray Ray killed a mofo, but his passion for the game of Football is undeniable. Ray Ray went through all the Superbowl Media allegations with class and dignity, while being sincere about his condolences to the family of the deceased. Professionals don't mean saints or chore-boys, but it does identify with someone that would MAN UP to his faults and try his best to make up for his mistakes. However you want to look at Naniwa's actions, it showed that he is a petulant child not a MAN. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 22 2014 21:34 Saumure wrote: Ofc he does. He is just redirecting the flames, so that people focus less on him being a douche. But his point comes with that certain unjustified arrogance Unjustified? Numerous personality flaws aside, he was also one of the best foreigners SC2 ever had, at least so far. It's kind of funny how some people hate on him so hard that they don't even want to consider his skill anymore - perhaps cognitive dissonance? There's a reason that he always seems to be able to find a team despite all the shit he pulls. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On March 22 2014 17:53 Shinta) wrote: If Nadal tells Nike he's going to compete, he's going to compete. His contract says so and he doesn't want to lose Nike. Even if he goes out by "injury" in one if the first rounds, he'll be there. It's true that pro sports also have bad apples, but they are almost always punished to a degree, and only stay relavent because of their skills. Mario not playing even though he was signed to play, his team could have dropped him. Idk if McEnroe quit or was ejected from the tournament?? Refusal to play is one thing, breaking contracts and rules is something else, although they do often come hand in hand, it's up to the rule makers to decide how or if to punish the offender accordingly. In this case, Alliance doesn't need Nani, who claims to be quitting. After Nani showed a blatant poor performance which probably breeched contract in one way or another (I'm willing to bet it did), Alliance dropped him, thus relieving themselves of responsibility for and over Nani. Same could and/or would happen to any pro athlete who fucks with the people paying them. Balloteli being punished amounts to fining him money that he has in spades. McEnroe being punished does not mean dropping his sponsors, they loved how big of a dick he was. There are hockey players that play the same. Jeremy Roenick was always outspoken as a player, and he stayed popular among fans despite being what people in this community would call an asshole. There are TONS of pros out there much worse at throwing temper tantrums than Nani. The hate on Nani is because we as a community think we are somehow above that. We aren't. I don't like it, and no one has to like it, but we do have to accept that "professionalism" and "class" are not aspects of all professionals in any profession. Along with that, you can dislike a player for not being a classy guy, but to say that its somehow out of line, or it doesn't occur regularly elsewhere is not true. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
Or are their still talks going on what to do with Naniwa and instead punish him in a different manner then releasing him? | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On March 23 2014 03:22 docvoc wrote: Balloteli being punished amounts to fining him money that he has in spades. McEnroe being punished does not mean dropping his sponsors, they loved how big of a dick he was. There are hockey players that play the same. Jeremy Roenick was always outspoken as a player, and he stayed popular among fans despite being what people in this community would call an asshole. There are TONS of pros out there much worse at throwing temper tantrums than Nani. The hate on Nani is because we as a community think we are somehow above that. We aren't. I don't like it, and no one has to like it, but we do have to accept that "professionalism" and "class" are not aspects of all professionals in any profession. Along with that, you can dislike a player for not being a classy guy, but to say that its somehow out of line, or it doesn't occur regularly elsewhere is not true. That's like comparing Nani and IdrA. Sure IdrA was way more BM than Nani, but Nani both were loved for different reasons. Like Jeremy, IdrA was loved for being a dick, but he ended up screwing up too badly as well. If Jeremy were to go to twitter, or at a fan signing, and say that all his fans are complete pieces of shit and are totally worthless, actions will probably take place. His sponsors didn't love how McEnroe was a dick, they loved how he had so many fans. If McEnroe smashed all his racquets and then said "Head racquets suck!", actions will be taken. I believe every professional should act professional. This means many things, but being classy to an extend is one, and being able to taunt and entertain is another, plus many other aspects. Although I believe professionals should act professionally, it's up to the people with money to decide what rules to emplace and how strictly to enforce which rules and under which circumstances. I haven't done research, but I'm pretty sure McEnroe was ejected from a few tournaments? More importantly, if he fucked over his sponsors, and broke contract too harshly, his sponsors would have dropped him. If a tournament rule says "don't do ____", and he does ____ straight to the camera, then he'll probably be ejected. Rules and the enforcement of rules is the important part, and Nani deserved to be kicked out of his team. He probably didn't even deserve a team, but that's personal opinion and not relavent to the conversation. | ||
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Cool C
United States69 Posts
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URfavHO
United States514 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote: I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Yeah, because no scene thrives on more polarizing personalities and having things to talk about. What we need is more professional players, because if there's one thing people love, it's talking about how professional people are. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 23 2014 03:12 yido wrote: People don't expect Naniwa to be a "role-model", but they expected him to behave like an "adult" that had a microbe of sportsmanship in his body. I don't think there is a doubt that Ray Ray killed a mofo, but his passion for the game of Football is undeniable. Ray Ray went through all the Superbowl Media allegations with class and dignity, while being sincere about his condolences to the family of the deceased. Professionals don't mean saints or chore-boys, but it does identify with someone that would MAN UP to his faults and try his best to make up for his mistakes. However you want to look at Naniwa's actions, it showed that he is a petulant child not a MAN. This post does a good job of summing up this community. Murder is fine as long as you're professional about it afterwards, but being unprofessional pretty much makes you a scumbag. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Fortunately, Naniwa did not break any tournament rules, right? I don't actually know why you brought that up. Now, it's entirely possible he did not follow his contract. Who the hell knows what his contract said. There's little point in using that as an argument, though. All he really did was forfeit a tournament. People forfeit tournaments all of the time, and given his situation, I do not blame him at all for doing so. If ANY professional [sport] player hadn't played that sport in over a month, there would be zero chance he'd actually go to the event, especially if there was not even guaranteed prize money (in this case, it's 100k ONLY for 1st place). Now, none of us know for certain what Naniwa had told Alliance prior, and vice versa, but assuming Naniwa had informed Alliance that he was not in any condition to play the tournament (that he hadn't played in forever), then Alliance should hold the blame for sending him and expecting anything out of it. No where did Naniwa say shitty things about his sponsors. Naniwa wasn't even that badly tempered at the event. He simply forfeited his series. He might have used the poor sound-cancelling as an excuse to forfeit, but it was clear that he had no desire to play in it, and the games would have been garbage. He is now off of the team, so clearly Alliance did not like something that Naniwa did (or maybe what he didn't do, which was not play SC2 for a month). People saying that "If I did this in MY job, I'd be fired!!" don't seem to realize that he WAS fired. Alliance no longer had any reason to keep him on the team. It's only logical he would be removed. I'm pretty sure Naniwa knew that, too. That doesn't necessarily mean Naniwa did anything terrible. He just did something that didn't work for Alliance. People should direct their rage towards something actually bad, instead of some guy's choice to retire from the game. | ||
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
On March 22 2014 20:24 Forgottenfrog wrote: I just hope that this is the last time we hear of Naniwa. If sc2 was to ever prosper, less of Naniwa is what's needed. He's very unprofessional and is character is questionable at best. Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10137 Posts
On March 23 2014 07:02 LingBlingBling wrote: Sorry StarCraft 2 is not a USA American personality contest. Who cares if they are likeable as long as they show good games and skill. Which naniwa has done for years and years. He was the only person making it to GSL RO 8 back in wings when protoss were having a very hard time. He has been better than every single foreigner result wise. I really hate how Esports is evolving into a popularity contest rather then being appreciated for skill, at least in SC2. I hope naniwa makes a come back in Legacy of the void, he shows such great understanding of this game. Pro gamers need to be judged by their skill and less on if they are likeable or not. Really? Do you think that disliking naniwa's actions on the latest IEM is some sort of popularity contest? It is not. He agreed to go to IEM (even "forced", which is laughable since it is his goddamned job and gets paid to, if i don't want to continue with my job, i just quit) only to make viewers, ESL and his team sponsors waste time. He acted unprofessionally, it is not something new, it has nothing to do with being likeable and certainly he hasn't changed one little bit over the years. And in real life, you get fired. And if you continue to be an unpredictable volatile asset, nobody will hire you again, specially in such a small world as sc2 esports is. | ||
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