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Sakray
France2198 Posts
On March 23 2014 21:33 doggy wrote: I doubt anyone would give a personality like him a job in real world, he has just been lucky in sc2 due his good skill. In RL his attitude will screw him even more than it did in sc2. Btw, GJ Alliance  i lol'd, have you never seen assholes in RL ? | ||
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Tomzzz
9 Posts
Alliance did not lose anything letting him go. I personnaly hope this guy never comes back, he is a shame not for sc2 but also for all swedish people. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On March 22 2014 06:40 KelsierSC wrote: I think Naniwa is just farming achievement points. Join every single team - +100 Rage quit... check Probe rush... check Premier titles... check Whinner... check Disqualified... check Gone to Korea... check Invited in all premier tourna... check Won against a korean in finals... check top 10 on ladder... check fired??!... check an asshole... check anything else i've missed? | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On March 23 2014 21:33 doggy wrote: I doubt anyone would give a personality like him a job in real world, he has just been lucky in sc2 due his good skill. In RL his attitude will screw him even more than it did in sc2. Btw, GJ Alliance You seem to think that real jobs have much resemblance to being a professional SC2 player. Basically, the two ways of being successful in SC2 is either by promoting your sponsors a shit-ton (look at Incontrol) or by being skilled, indirectly promoting your sponsors (every Korean? Naniwa?). So, Naniwa only cared about being #1 (the best). His poor attitude is a result of that. There are very few situations where one would ever hold that kind of competitive mindset in their job. In addition, Naniwa only had his "job" (was part of Alliance), not so much to make money, but to be able to play the game. If he were to have a real job, it's incredibly unlikely he would behave in such a way, since he'd probably only be doing it to make money. Also, in real life, it actually is quite common to have a highly skilled or talented employee who has TERRIBLE public relations. A lot of scientists are like that. Their motive is to progress science while the motive of the employer is to make something marketable. Every time you guys say "GJ Alliance", I just sigh. Where did they do a good job? By firing an employee who basically quit their job, ANYWAY? Like, yeah, that's pretty logical. I don't keep paying people who quit their job, either. What wasn't a good job was sending Naniwa to the event. That was a bad job. The reason Alliance had Naniwa on the team was because he was skilled and seen as one of the best foreign players. Since he was not even close to "one of the best foreign players" at that point (he hadn't played in a month), they were basically asking him to go there and lose 3 games to Polt. Naniwa had no shits left to give, and Alliance expected otherwise. It's entirely possible that Alliance would have kept Naniwa on the team, even as a non-SC2 player, had he... actually cared at the event and maybe, cheesed all 3 games instead of cheesing 1 and forfeiting... But who knows? | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On March 23 2014 10:52 IPA wrote: Do your job. Otherwise, leave and stop your continuous whining. Great move from Alliance. except he wasn't whining (for once in a while actually). I don't know why people are so up in arms over this. Alliance wants him gone, Naniwa doesn't care. Nothing to be angry about. The part about him cheesing in a tournament is another topic of its own. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 23 2014 22:25 Blargh wrote: You seem to think that real jobs have much resemblance to being a professional SC2 player. Basically, the two ways of being successful in SC2 is either by promoting your sponsors a shit-ton (look at Incontrol) or by being skilled, indirectly promoting your sponsors (every Korean? Naniwa?). So, Naniwa only cared about being #1 (the best). His poor attitude is a result of that. There are very few situations where one would ever hold that kind of competitive mindset in their job. In addition, Naniwa only had his "job" (was part of Alliance), not so much to make money, but to be able to play the game. If he were to have a real job, it's incredibly unlikely he would behave in such a way, since he'd probably only be doing it to make money. Also, in real life, it actually is quite common to have a highly skilled or talented employee who has TERRIBLE public relations. A lot of scientists are like that. Their motive is to progress science while the motive of the employer is to make something marketable. Every time you guys say "GJ Alliance", I just sigh. Where did they do a good job? By firing an employee who basically quit their job, ANYWAY? Like, yeah, that's pretty logical. I don't keep paying people who quit their job, either. What wasn't a good job was sending Naniwa to the event. That was a bad job. The reason Alliance had Naniwa on the team was because he was skilled and seen as one of the best foreign players. Since he was not even close to "one of the best foreign players" at that point (he hadn't played in a month), they were basically asking him to go there and lose 3 games to Polt. Naniwa had no shits left to give, and Alliance expected otherwise. It's entirely possible that Alliance would have kept Naniwa on the team, even as a non-SC2 player, had he... actually cared at the event and maybe, cheesed all 3 games instead of cheesing 1 and forfeiting... But who knows? You have an incredibly narrow perspective on the situation. This situation goes beyond public relations. As you said, Naniwa was never the player to care about his image in the scene, promoting sponsors or appeasing the management. If you aren't going to do any of those you better at least PLAY THE GAME. He's always lauded as a player that "doesn't give a shit" about anything about the game itself and winning so it's pretty hilarious that in the end he goes out without even fighting. Naniwa's parallel to a real world scientist would be a scientist refusing to do anything in the lab and then crying when his supervisor tells him to pack his bags. Not to mention those scientists have probably worked for years obtaining a Phd or building valuable lab experience. What does Naniwa have, half a high school degree? As others have said, with his attitude I'm not even sure he'd be able to secure a job at McDonalds. Anyone who's worked in the real world can tell you there's virtually no room for this kind of behavior. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 23 2014 22:25 Blargh wrote: You seem to think that real jobs have much resemblance to being a professional SC2 player. Basically, the two ways of being successful in SC2 is either by promoting your sponsors a shit-ton (look at Incontrol) or by being skilled, indirectly promoting your sponsors (every Korean? Naniwa?). So, Naniwa only cared about being #1 (the best). His poor attitude is a result of that. There are very few situations where one would ever hold that kind of competitive mindset in their job. In addition, Naniwa only had his "job" (was part of Alliance), not so much to make money, but to be able to play the game. If he were to have a real job, it's incredibly unlikely he would behave in such a way, since he'd probably only be doing it to make money. Also, in real life, it actually is quite common to have a highly skilled or talented employee who has TERRIBLE public relations. A lot of scientists are like that. Their motive is to progress science while the motive of the employer is to make something marketable. Every time you guys say "GJ Alliance", I just sigh. Where did they do a good job? By firing an employee who basically quit their job, ANYWAY? Like, yeah, that's pretty logical. I don't keep paying people who quit their job, either. What wasn't a good job was sending Naniwa to the event. That was a bad job. The reason Alliance had Naniwa on the team was because he was skilled and seen as one of the best foreign players. Since he was not even close to "one of the best foreign players" at that point (he hadn't played in a month), they were basically asking him to go there and lose 3 games to Polt. Naniwa had no shits left to give, and Alliance expected otherwise. It's entirely possible that Alliance would have kept Naniwa on the team, even as a non-SC2 player, had he... actually cared at the event and maybe, cheesed all 3 games instead of cheesing 1 and forfeiting... But who knows? My job generally doesn't keep people that are not actively attempting to earn them money. Nani'wa not wanting to play SC2 is fine, but then you quit an move on. Not go full drama queen at a major event in front of thousands of people. If he didn't want to go, he should have just not gone and let Alliance do whatever they said they were going to do. | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
On March 23 2014 23:49 SupLilSon wrote: You have an incredibly narrow perspective on the situation. This situation goes beyond public relations. As you said, Naniwa was never the player to care about his image in the scene, promoting sponsors or appeasing the management. If you aren't going to do any of those you better at least PLAY THE GAME. He's always lauded as a player that "doesn't give a shit" about anything about the game itself and winning so it's pretty hilarious that in the end he goes out without even fighting. Naniwa's parallel to a real world scientist would be a scientist refusing to do anything in the lab and then crying when his supervisor tells him to pack his bags. Not to mention those scientists have probably worked for years obtaining a Phd or building valuable lab experience. What does Naniwa have, half a high school degree? As others have said, with his attitude I'm not even sure he'd be able to secure a job at McDonalds. Anyone who's worked in the real world can tell you there's virtually no room for this kind of behavior. What exactly do you have? The time on your hands to write about someone who in your words isn't even significant enough to warrant a job at Mcdonalds? What does that make you? Laughable, that's what. Spew all the rage at me you want. You're a professional at one thing: accumulating a high post count on a forum (albeit, the best forum I've ever had the pleasure of taking part in, but nonetheless.) By the way, how is he not in "the real world"? Was his experience as a professional hallucinated? And don't give me some bullshit about how your job is more important or more based in reality. You tell yourself that because Naniwa had the courage to pursue something he loved despite his family nearly disowning him for it, while you didn't. Just don't buddy. It is you that has an incredibly narrow perspective on the situation, but you cannot see that - because the truly ignorant do not know they are ignorant. No doubt you will respond with some defensive, incoherent babble. I welcome it, but I will not read it- so I would not bother if I were you. PS - I disagree with many things Naniwa did because I want the best for the Starcraft scene. That does not mean the rage in this thread is justified. | ||
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ETisME
12700 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote: So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum. He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote: I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On March 23 2014 23:49 SupLilSon wrote: You have an incredibly narrow perspective on the situation. This situation goes beyond public relations. As you said, Naniwa was never the player to care about his image in the scene, promoting sponsors or appeasing the management. If you aren't going to do any of those you better at least PLAY THE GAME. He's always lauded as a player that "doesn't give a shit" about anything about the game itself and winning so it's pretty hilarious that in the end he goes out without even fighting. Naniwa's parallel to a real world scientist would be a scientist refusing to do anything in the lab and then crying when his supervisor tells him to pack his bags. Not to mention those scientists have probably worked for years obtaining a Phd or building valuable lab experience. What does Naniwa have, half a high school degree? As others have said, with his attitude I'm not even sure he'd be able to secure a job at McDonalds. Anyone who's worked in the real world can tell you there's virtually no room for this kind of behavior. Except that Naniwa didn't cry when his "supervisor told him to pack his bags". If a scientist no longer has any interest in the work that he is doing, and he no longer cares about any of the money he gets paid for doing what he does, then him just stopping is quite alright. I think there are smoother ways of doing things, but it makes little difference to him (Naniwa). This behavior? It's a completely different scenario that would likely never actually occur in other jobs for the reason I stated before... If Naniwa were to have an actual job, he would probably be doing it for the money instead of his passion. He might actually be a pretty friendly guy who would make a great employee at McDonalds for all we know. He just isn't someone who takes a loss lightly in a competitive game (evidently, Risk the boardgame either!). @Plansix I would agree that his methods were suboptimal, but we do not know the details of the situation. And he just forfeited. I'd actually say what Naniwa did was far more appropriate than any of the times someone has made racist or offensive comments. Idra's post on TL which got him kicked from EG was a far worse decision than Naniwa's. Yet, he was not totally outcasted, and he had a decent viewer count for quite some time after the event. Naniwa actually had the intention to quit SC2, so his actions meant even less!! People are just making this whole thing seem far worse than it really is. Naniwa didn't care about anything, and he quit SC2. That's about all there is to it. He had even less motivation to play the games when there was not even prize money for anything but 1st. Maybe he just wanted to visit Poland one last time! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote: It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticizing them when they fail. And yet achieving nothing for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. What the fuck are you talking about? Parasite? Nani'wa is the one who went full middle school girl on the main stage of IEM, no ETisME. That is why there is a 33 page thread about him, cause he went full retard. Or are you trying to create some bullshit argument we are all wanna-bes and have achieved nothing like Nani'wa? Never mind the fact that his achievements are much less impressive without us all watching. | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:20 Plansix wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Parasite? Nani'wa is the one who went full middle school girl on the main stage of IEM, no ETisME. That is why there is a 33 page thread about him, cause he went full retard. Or are you trying to create some bullshit argument we are all wanna-bes and have achieved nothing like Nani'wa? Never mind the fact that his achievements are much less impressive without us all watching. Did you not see my criticisms of him? Let me make this very simple for you: You are spending a great deal of time getting your panties in a bunch about someone you describe as a middle-school girl. That's what make you more pathetic than him. Don't try to straw man me and make me out to be attacking the entire community. If you spent half as much time doing something for yourself as you did making more than thirteen thousand posts, you may have done something with your life. For now, it appears that isn't the case. That's what the fuck I am talking about. Deal with it. Let me make this clear: I have a low opinion of Naniwa, but an even lower opinion of you. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On March 23 2014 22:03 Sakray wrote: i lol'd, have you never seen assholes in RL ? He´s right though, guys like Naniwa who polarize and cause drama are (almost) perfect for the entertainment industry (in his case E-Sports). They draw attention and with attention comes money, at least as long as the sponsors/investors are not affected in a negative way. "The real world" has no real need for guys like him, imagine him writing his application; worked for eight different companies/employers in the past ~ four years, well known for beeing bm (sometimes), a loner and causing trouble/drama. There is no company in the world that would hire sb like him for a "serious" job. Maybe he is another person off-stage... | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
I wouldn't give as much of a fuck about whatever obligations I had if I had no confidence in that the other party would fulfill theirs. I have the same feelings towards the music industry, and worst of all the nightlife industry. When everyone's completely full of shit it no longer makes sense to be a man of your word. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:22 JSK wrote: Did you not see my criticisms of him? Let me make this very simple for you: You are spending a great deal of time getting your panties in a bunch about someone you describe as a middle-school girl. That's what make you more pathetic than him. Don't try to straw man me and make me out to be attacking the entire community. If you spent half as much time doing something for yourself as you did making more than thirteen thousand posts, you may have done something with your life. For now, it appears that isn't the case. That's what the fuck I am talking about. Deal with it. Let me make this clear: I have a low opinion of Naniwa, but an even lower opinion of you. Except that I am not upset and my panties are not in a bunch. People are just discussing something on the internet. Or does doing that make them pathetic. And I am not more pathetic than Nani'wa. I know how to do my job, even when it makes me grumpy. | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:30 Plansix wrote: Except that I am not upset and my panties are not in a bunch. People are just discussing something on the internet. Or does doing that make them pathetic. And I am not more pathetic than Nani'wa. I know how to do my job, even when it makes me grumpy. Discussing things on the internet does not make one pathetic. Going so far as to say Naniwa isn't worth a position at McDonalds is quite pathetic, and that's what I originally replied to. Go ahead and do your job that makes you grumpy. Some of us have the courage to pursue jobs that don't make us grumpy. Naniwa doesn't like his job anymore - so he stopped. We all only have one life. Don't pretend that the hamster wheel that is your life is reality for all of us, or that your inability to get off of it is a type of strength. Naniwa isn't happy doing what he is doing. It's not his responsibility to keep going or to feel trapped in what he is doing because of your individual world view. And don't even pretend to not know what I am telling you. "I know how to do my job, even when it makes me grumpy." That literally made me laugh out loud. You not liking your job, or even seldomly not liking it, has quite literally no bearing on what any other human being should do. Your existence and opinions, furthermore, will quite literally not influence naniwa in the slightest. | ||
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joeschmo
United States167 Posts
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ETisME
12700 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote: It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. | ||
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