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On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else.
Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically.
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On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically.
Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions?
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On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions?
Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you.
What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others.
PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again.
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On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle.
Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize.
naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar?
One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context.
My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months.
Without my help another person would have lost his dream.
Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am.
On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize.
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On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again.
I am glad you concede defeat in your flawed argument. Good day.
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On March 24 2014 00:57 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle. Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize. naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar? One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context. My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months. Without my help another person would have lost his dream. Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am. On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize.
Hahaha, I've upset you? I guess so, judging by the ad-hominems. And by the fact that you clearly didn't even read what I wrote- you're so consumed with trying to prove to me that you're right. No one in their right mind could think Naniwa is a superstar to me if they'd read what I wrote about him. Namely, that he is a quitter, has attitude problems, and that I have al ow opinion of him. I literally wrote that within the last page, but you didn't bother to look, did you? In my opinion, that makes you all the more pathetic.
I'm glad that you realize that human achievements are all relative, but this isn't about me or what I will "one day" realize. (lmao)
Naniwa is the last person you would want to be? Wow. Just wow.
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On March 24 2014 00:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again. I am glad you coincided defeat in your flawed argument. Good day.
You coincided defeat by not responding to my arguments, and not explaining how they are flawed. You wrote a one sentence reply capped with "good day", that neither responded to anything I said nor made any coherent points (or any point at all) of your own. Grow up.
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On March 23 2014 06:48 Blargh wrote:
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Fortunately, Naniwa did not break any tournament rules, right? I don't actually know why you brought that up. Now, it's entirely possible he did not follow his contract. Who the hell knows what his contract said. There's little point in using that as an argument, though.
All he really did was forfeit a tournament. People forfeit tournaments all of the time, and given his situation, I do not blame him at all for doing so. If ANY professional [sport] player hadn't played that sport in over a month, there would be zero chance he'd actually go to the event, especially if there was not even guaranteed prize money (in this case, it's 100k ONLY for 1st place).
Now, none of us know for certain what Naniwa had told Alliance prior, and vice versa, but assuming Naniwa had informed Alliance that he was not in any condition to play the tournament (that he hadn't played in forever), then Alliance should hold the blame for sending him and expecting anything out of it. No where did Naniwa say shitty things about his sponsors. Naniwa wasn't even that badly tempered at the event. He simply forfeited his series. He might have used the poor sound-cancelling as an excuse to forfeit, but it was clear that he had no desire to play in it, and the games would have been garbage.
He is now off of the team, so clearly Alliance did not like something that Naniwa did (or maybe what he didn't do, which was not play SC2 for a month). People saying that "If I did this in MY job, I'd be fired!!" don't seem to realize that he WAS fired. Alliance no longer had any reason to keep him on the team. It's only logical he would be removed. I'm pretty sure Naniwa knew that, too. That doesn't necessarily mean Naniwa did anything terrible. He just did something that didn't work for Alliance. People should direct their rage towards something actually bad, instead of some guy's choice to retire from the game.
Are you joking? I read one paragraph and realized I shouldn't read anymore.
Nobody knows what his contract says, but I'm willing to bet that forfeiting a tournament for literally know reason except for lack of professionalism is a breech of contract.
So there so many other ways you could have thought about what I had to say.
I have a feeling you also don't know that firing someone without proper evidence of a breech of contract is not allowed. You can't fire someone just because you don't work as hard, or just because you don't like them, they have to break the rules first.
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Is anybody else curious why there hasn't been an official statement by EG/Alliance yet? They are supposedly the kings of PR, and turning bad PR into ok PR. Why the silence from them?
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On March 24 2014 01:01 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:58 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again. I am glad you coincided defeat in your flawed argument. Good day. You coincided defeat by not responding to my arguments, and not explaining how they are flawed. You wrote a one sentence reply capped with "good day", that neither responded to anything I said nor made any coherent points (or any point at all) of your own. Grow up.
Pretty sure you guys are looking for concede not coincide
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On March 24 2014 01:13 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:01 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:58 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again. I am glad you coincided defeat in your flawed argument. Good day. You coincided defeat by not responding to my arguments, and not explaining how they are flawed. You wrote a one sentence reply capped with "good day", that neither responded to anything I said nor made any coherent points (or any point at all) of your own. Grow up. Pretty sure you guys are looking for concede not coincide
That was likely it.
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On March 24 2014 01:13 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:01 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:58 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again. I am glad you coincided defeat in your flawed argument. Good day. You coincided defeat by not responding to my arguments, and not explaining how they are flawed. You wrote a one sentence reply capped with "good day", that neither responded to anything I said nor made any coherent points (or any point at all) of your own. Grow up. Pretty sure you guys are looking for concede not coincide
Right you are.
PS- Looks like plan six and I finally agree on something - though he assuredly will not respond to my last post that was in response to him. Especially given the childish nature of his last one liner, which I already explained and will quote back to him if necessary in the future, until he does respond to it. You're not getting out of it that easy bud ;-)
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On March 24 2014 01:16 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:13 Darkhorse wrote:On March 24 2014 01:01 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:58 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:
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I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness.
But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation.
I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again. I am glad you coincided defeat in your flawed argument. Good day. You coincided defeat by not responding to my arguments, and not explaining how they are flawed. You wrote a one sentence reply capped with "good day", that neither responded to anything I said nor made any coherent points (or any point at all) of your own. Grow up. Pretty sure you guys are looking for concede not coincide Indeed. I used the wrong word. Thank you for pointing this out.
He did too  I just thought it was the perfect place for a Princess Bride "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"
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On March 24 2014 01:00 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:57 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle. Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize. naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar? One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context. My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months. Without my help another person would have lost his dream. Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am. On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize. Hahaha, I've upset you? I guess so, judging by the ad-hominems. And by the fact that you clearly didn't even read what I wrote- you're so consumed with trying to prove to me that you're right. No one in their right mind could think Naniwa is a superstar to me if they'd read what I wrote about him. Namely, that he is a quitter, has attitude problems, and that I have al ow opinion of him. I literally wrote that within the last page, but you didn't bother to look, did you? In my opinion, that makes you all the more pathetic. I'm glad that you realize that human achievements are all relative, but this isn't about me or what I will "one day" realize. (lmao) Naniwa is the last person you would want to be? Wow. Just wow.
To be fair, it's your initial argument that is bogus... We have to shut up and have no ability to criticize him because he's a pro and we're not?
This just tells me you have no clue what you're talking about, but I read on anyways only to find that you really don't. You're saying that everyone on this site is an armchair professional just because you don't know us in person, and require proof of our relevance before even considering an argument or criticism valid? lol, you shouldn't have an account on a forum.
Without criticism, there would be no greatness, and without greatness, the bar for achievement would be set so low that anyone would be able to achieve it.
Why are there rules? Any kind of rules... Game rules, laws, even house rules that you make up? That's because people have criticized the opposite, and the community, whether it be 2 people or millions, have agreed to a standard and set the bar for others to follow.
Nothing would progress otherwise. The world would still be a feudal place if people didn't care about "armchair professionals".
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On March 24 2014 01:19 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:16 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 01:13 Darkhorse wrote:On March 24 2014 01:01 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:58 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:56 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:53 Plansix wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:
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It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. I may very well be wrong about you, but I do not believe I am wrong about your attitude in this case. It would be much easier to respect you if you spent time ensuring your own actions reflected the sentiments and criticisms that you project onto someone you have never met, not even once in your whole life. To me, you are a fool. It is okay to disagree with me and I am often wrong. But that is the difference between us, isn't it? The ability to think critically. Wait, so now we need to weight our personal achievements before we can criticize public figures? So I have to accomplish as much as the president before I can voice my disapprove of his actions? Straw man again, Notice I never said anything about having to accomplish as much as the president before you can voice your disapproval of his actions. You have every right to voice your disapproval of Naniwa, and I have every right to voice my disapproval of you. What is ironic is that you take such offense at someone voicing disproval of YOUR actions. Yet you have no qualms in dispensing with such judgements as long as it as at the expense of others. PS- I never talked about myself at all, and never will. My response are strictly related to your unwarranted criticisms of someone you have never met. Try again. I am glad you coincided defeat in your flawed argument. Good day. You coincided defeat by not responding to my arguments, and not explaining how they are flawed. You wrote a one sentence reply capped with "good day", that neither responded to anything I said nor made any coherent points (or any point at all) of your own. Grow up. Pretty sure you guys are looking for concede not coincide Indeed. I used the wrong word. Thank you for pointing this out. He did too I just thought it was the perfect place for a Princess Bride "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"
Hahaha yes indeed. I thought it was funny. I am glad you can remind us all to be more light hearted.
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On March 24 2014 01:00 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 00:57 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle. Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize. naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar? One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context. My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months. Without my help another person would have lost his dream. Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am. On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize. Hahaha, I've upset you? I guess so, judging by the ad-hominems. And by the fact that you clearly didn't even read what I wrote- you're so consumed with trying to prove to me that you're right. No one in their right mind could think Naniwa is a superstar to me if they'd read what I wrote about him. Namely, that he is a quitter, has attitude problems, and that I have al ow opinion of him. I literally wrote that within the last page, but you didn't bother to look, did you? In my opinion, that makes you all the more pathetic. I'm glad that you realize that human achievements are all relative, but this isn't about me or what I will "one day" realize. (lmao) Naniwa is the last person you would want to be? Wow. Just wow.
I am more confused than upset.
First I am told I can't critize him because his achievement is "higher" means we can't critize him.
Then you told me you are glad that achievements are all "relative".
But previously you were the one to say we should not critize due to him being one of the best foreigner and achieved higher than us.
And yet you also critize him being a quitter and should not have done X and y.
But at the same time you find it ridicous that people are upset about his actions, actions that you don't support either?
What?
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On March 24 2014 01:20 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:00 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:57 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle. Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize. naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar? One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context. My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months. Without my help another person would have lost his dream. Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am. On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize. Hahaha, I've upset you? I guess so, judging by the ad-hominems. And by the fact that you clearly didn't even read what I wrote- you're so consumed with trying to prove to me that you're right. No one in their right mind could think Naniwa is a superstar to me if they'd read what I wrote about him. Namely, that he is a quitter, has attitude problems, and that I have al ow opinion of him. I literally wrote that within the last page, but you didn't bother to look, did you? In my opinion, that makes you all the more pathetic. I'm glad that you realize that human achievements are all relative, but this isn't about me or what I will "one day" realize. (lmao) Naniwa is the last person you would want to be? Wow. Just wow. To be fair, it's your initial argument that is bogus... We have to shut up and have no ability to criticize him because he's a pro and we're not? This just tells me you have no clue what you're talking about, but I read on anyways only to find that you really don't. You're saying that everyone on this site is an armchair professional just because you don't know us in person, and require proof of our relevance before even considering an argument or criticism valid? lol, you shouldn't have an account on a forum. Without criticism, there would be no greatness, and without greatness, the bar for achievement would be set so low that anyone would be able to achieve it. Why are there rules? Any kind of rules... Game rules, laws, even house rules that you make up? That's because people have criticized the opposite, and the community, whether it be 2 people or millions, have agreed to a standard and set the bar for others to follow. Nothing would progress otherwise. The world would still be a feudal place if people didn't care about "armchair professionals".
Straw man again, you can criticize him. What's ironic is that I'm SEEMINGLY not allowed to criticize you. You don't need to shut up. I responded to the sentiment about him not being worthy of a McDonald's position, as I have elaborated on before. Whether or not you believe I have or haven't a clue of what I'm talking about is of no consequence to me. And yes, I require proof of one's relevance if they are going to attack someone in an online forum and insinuate that they are not worthy of a minimum wage job because they didn't want to play Starcraft professionally anymore. You didn't say that personally, but that's what I responded to.
"lol, you shouldn't have an account on a forum?" - Good one dude!
I fully agree that without criticism there would be no greatness. That is PRECISELY why it is so FUNNY that if I criticize ANY of the people currently doing the criticizing (of naniwa) , they suddenly find it unacceptable to be critical!
If you can't take it, don't dish it out brotha
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On March 24 2014 01:24 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:00 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:57 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle. Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize. naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar? One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context. My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months. Without my help another person would have lost his dream. Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am. On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize. Hahaha, I've upset you? I guess so, judging by the ad-hominems. And by the fact that you clearly didn't even read what I wrote- you're so consumed with trying to prove to me that you're right. No one in their right mind could think Naniwa is a superstar to me if they'd read what I wrote about him. Namely, that he is a quitter, has attitude problems, and that I have al ow opinion of him. I literally wrote that within the last page, but you didn't bother to look, did you? In my opinion, that makes you all the more pathetic. I'm glad that you realize that human achievements are all relative, but this isn't about me or what I will "one day" realize. (lmao) Naniwa is the last person you would want to be? Wow. Just wow. I am more confused than upset. First I am told I can't critize him because his achievement is "higher" means we can't critize him. Then you told me you are glad that achievements are all "relative". But previously you were the one to say we should not critize due to him being one of the best foreigner and achieved higher than us. And yet you also critize him being a quitter and should not have done X and y. But at the same time you find it ridicous that people are upset about his actions, actions that you don't support either? What?
Please find and quote to me where I EVER said that people can't criticize him. Oh wait - I never said that. Again, nice try with the straw man. Especially given all the criticisms of him that I listed myself?
. I don't support his actions, but I don't go on a forum crusade against him. I'm not sure what you're confused about - this isn't about me or Naniwa. I'm just of the opinion that it's pathetic for you to judge him. You can criticize him, and I can criticize you for criticizing him. Get it? It's a two way street, be a grown up about it please.
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On March 24 2014 01:05 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 06:48 Blargh wrote:
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Fortunately, Naniwa did not break any tournament rules, right? I don't actually know why you brought that up. Now, it's entirely possible he did not follow his contract. Who the hell knows what his contract said. There's little point in using that as an argument, though.
All he really did was forfeit a tournament. People forfeit tournaments all of the time, and given his situation, I do not blame him at all for doing so. If ANY professional [sport] player hadn't played that sport in over a month, there would be zero chance he'd actually go to the event, especially if there was not even guaranteed prize money (in this case, it's 100k ONLY for 1st place).
Now, none of us know for certain what Naniwa had told Alliance prior, and vice versa, but assuming Naniwa had informed Alliance that he was not in any condition to play the tournament (that he hadn't played in forever), then Alliance should hold the blame for sending him and expecting anything out of it. No where did Naniwa say shitty things about his sponsors. Naniwa wasn't even that badly tempered at the event. He simply forfeited his series. He might have used the poor sound-cancelling as an excuse to forfeit, but it was clear that he had no desire to play in it, and the games would have been garbage.
He is now off of the team, so clearly Alliance did not like something that Naniwa did (or maybe what he didn't do, which was not play SC2 for a month). People saying that "If I did this in MY job, I'd be fired!!" don't seem to realize that he WAS fired. Alliance no longer had any reason to keep him on the team. It's only logical he would be removed. I'm pretty sure Naniwa knew that, too. That doesn't necessarily mean Naniwa did anything terrible. He just did something that didn't work for Alliance. People should direct their rage towards something actually bad, instead of some guy's choice to retire from the game. Are you joking? I read one paragraph and realized I shouldn't read anymore. Nobody knows what his contract says, but I'm willing to bet that forfeiting a tournament for literally know reason except for lack of professionalism is a breech of contract. So there so many other ways you could have thought about what I had to say. I have a feeling you also don't know that firing someone without proper evidence of a breech of contract is not allowed. You can't fire someone just because you don't work as hard, or just because you don't like them, they have to break the rules first.
I'm sure Idra has failed to follow his contract in some way multiple times, but EG didn't kick him for those (until the last thing). I know little about contracts in e-sports, but I imagine EG/A could manage to fire just about any player on their team at any point in time for some reason or another. Not that EG/Alliance would... but even if someone was "wrongfully terminated", I don't think anyone in e-sports except EG/A and Kespa could or would ever bother with lawsuits. I was never arguing that Naniwa shouldn't be removed from Alliance (as I state in my post, actually).
And I feel like I made a fairly decent point in the latter paragraphs. It's truly a shame you missed out on them.
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On March 24 2014 01:30 JSK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 01:24 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 01:00 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:57 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:43 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:40 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:12 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 00:11 ETisME wrote:On March 24 2014 00:01 JSK wrote:
So ridiculous that people are upset about this in any way. Stop judging others using your own life experience. None of you are pros at his level, are you? No, just armchair starcraft pros playing at being professionals. And yes, I'm quite aware of the vitriolic rage about to be spewed at me by the exceedingly self-righteous posters of this forum.
He shouldn't have probe rushed. He shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done many of the things he did. But there's a 33 page thread written about him, and not about a single one of you. So suck it up and be great yourselves or stop spewing bullshit. It's sickening. I guess to some people like you, having a 33 page of thread is a sign of greatness. But I won't say that if most people in the thread are hating on him and I think it says more than enough about his reputation. I guess in a sense its an achievement lol It's not a sign of greatness. His achievements and status as arguably the best or one of the best foreigners to ever play the game is a sign of greatness. He has an attitude problem, but so do you. Instead of living your life for yourself you live vicariously through others, like a parasite - and criticize them when they fail. And yet you achieve very little for yourself. What Naniwa has achieved is more than you could ever dream of no doubt? I'm sorry if that hurts, but if you reply to my thoughts with some childish one-liners, then you'll just have to deal with it. Tell me what you have ever done that warrants recognition? Please, do tell. I fully recognize that you very well could be doing something significant, but until you prove it, your attitude makes you an armchair quarterback and nothing more. ? That doesn't give him an immune status for me to critize lol My achievement is that I actually saved a person's job because his passport somehow was sent to my address by the UK visa border control and I tracked down his location and mail it back to him and apparently he almost lost his dream job because he had no passport to travel back for interview. I personally think my achievement is pretty impressive since I am achieving good for others. And you are wrong. Naniwa achievement to me, worth very little because I am not interested in becoming big in programing. My dream is a lot bigger to me, may not be to you or anyone else. Your greatest achievement is that you returned a lost passport? I do not know how to reply to this without at least some measure of sarcasm. Naniwa's achievements may be worth very little to you, and at least you realize that this is relative - but come on man. You remind me of people who buy the tabloids in the grocery store checkout aisle. Yea, well Iike I said, it doesn't give him immunity for anyone to critize. naniwa is probably like a superstar to you, I guess like a child who looks up to a soccer superstar? One day you will realize there are other aspects in humanity that isnt about achieving high in measurable context. My achievement is my proudest one because another person would have lost his job which he hunted for months. Without my help another person would have lost his dream. Sorry but I do regard my achievement pretty important to me since it shows a lot of what kind of person I am and I am proud of who I am. On the other hand, naniwa selfishness and lack of responsibility etc makes him the last person I would want to be and his achievement will never be enough to turn him into a person I won't critize. Hahaha, I've upset you? I guess so, judging by the ad-hominems. And by the fact that you clearly didn't even read what I wrote- you're so consumed with trying to prove to me that you're right. No one in their right mind could think Naniwa is a superstar to me if they'd read what I wrote about him. Namely, that he is a quitter, has attitude problems, and that I have al ow opinion of him. I literally wrote that within the last page, but you didn't bother to look, did you? In my opinion, that makes you all the more pathetic. I'm glad that you realize that human achievements are all relative, but this isn't about me or what I will "one day" realize. (lmao) Naniwa is the last person you would want to be? Wow. Just wow. I am more confused than upset. First I am told I can't critize him because his achievement is "higher" means we can't critize him. Then you told me you are glad that achievements are all "relative". But previously you were the one to say we should not critize due to him being one of the best foreigner and achieved higher than us. And yet you also critize him being a quitter and should not have done X and y. But at the same time you find it ridicous that people are upset about his actions, actions that you don't support either? What? Please find and quote to me where I EVER said that people can't criticize him. Oh wait - I never said that. Again, nice try with the straw man. Especially given all the criticisms of him that I listed myself? . I don't support his actions, but I don't go on a forum crusade against him. I'm not sure what you're confused about - this isn't about me or Naniwa. I'm just of the opinion that it's pathetic for you to judge him. You can criticize him, and I can criticize you for criticizing him. Get it? It's a two way street, be a grown up about it please.
"Stop judging others using your own life experience."
I think that's the line people are having issues with. You telling them to stop judging.
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