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On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation.
Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired.
If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance.
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On March 22 2014 03:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:36 Enel wrote:
Guess what? We are all alive. It wasn't the apocalypse.
Wow, that stunning counterargument. Ok, thanks for confirming that Naniwa was not the one to cause the extinction of the entire human race. He probably also didn't murder a kid or set fire to Odee's house either. He's not responsible for Darfur War orphans so I guess all is forgiven. Or y'know, it isn't, because it's a moronic fallacy to suggest that just because something wasn't the end of the world that it wasn't still serious in some way. Such blatant ignorance on display from some people. I get it, almost none of you run a team so you don't have inside knowledge or perspective, but at least try and put yourself in the shoes of people that are, who are fiscally tied to this scene and dedicate their lives to its growth. Show nested quote + I just feel like TB is on a mission to crucify Naniwa and i don't like it. He's in every Naniwa post or thread with the same shitty message. Ahha you have uncovered my masterplan. I'd have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those pesky forum posters. Funny definition of "shitty message" you have there, apparently a well reasoned statement from someone in a position to know what he's talking about is a "Shitty message" in your eyes. Well, what on earth does that make your posts then, I have to wonder...
The best part about this, is that I read this in TB's voice. It sounded awesome. Nobody needs to crucify Naniwa anyways, he's done this to himself for so long already.
It's his life, he will do what he wants.
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Too bad it had to come to this, though it makes perfect sense - unfortunately 
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Couldn't keep quiet on this. It pisses me off when I see/hear such fortunate players that have achieved in some way sponsor ship to play the game (that some of us still love to death) full time as much as they want and then squander it for any reason at all. Some of us do what ever we can to get to play the game a little more and would do anything to have his opportunity, or any highly established player for that matter, to get to play this great game and push our skills as far as possible exploring everything that can be done this strategy game still has to offer. With nothing but the opportunity, time, money, and ambition to practice and improve? Sounds like a dream come true. Then just not caring and dropping it like marines on banelings...
I might be venting off more than just Naniwas incident about this type of topic but it does hurt to see these types of players in these advantageous positions for SC2 and just not caring while the rest of us sacrifice everything to play a few extra hours each day.
If someone doesn't enjoy playing StarCraft then why are they doing it.
If someone does enjoy playing StarCraft then why aren't they doing it?
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On March 22 2014 03:35 sva wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 22 2014 02:36 Enel wrote:
Guess what? We are all alive. It wasn't the apocalypse.
Wow, that stunning counterargument. Ok, thanks for confirming that Naniwa was not the one to cause the extinction of the entire human race. He probably also didn't murder a kid or set fire to Odee's house either. He's not responsible for Darfur War orphans so I guess all is forgiven. Or y'know, it isn't, because it's a moronic fallacy to suggest that just because something wasn't the end of the world that it wasn't still serious in some way. Such blatant ignorance on display from some people. I get it, almost none of you run a team so you don't have inside knowledge or perspective, but at least try and put yourself in the shoes of people that are, who are fiscally tied to this scene and dedicate their lives to its growth. I just feel like TB is on a mission to crucify Naniwa and i don't like it. He's in every Naniwa post or thread with the same shitty message. Ahha you have uncovered my masterplan. I'd have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those pesky forum posters. Funny definition of "shitty message" you have there, apparently a well reasoned statement from someone in a position to know what he's talking about is a "Shitty message" in your eyes. Well, what on earth does that make your posts then, I have to wonder... The best part about this, is that I read this in TB's voice. It sounded awesome. Nobody needs to crucify Naniwa anyways, he's done this to himself for so long already. It's his life, he will do what he wants.
Almost anything is better if you think it in TB's voice. Even stock reports or law texts.
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I mean he's being an ass about it but he's mostly right if what he's saying about the circumstances are true. Especially the part about the whining that other players deserved his spot in IEM. He did win that spot fair and square. He deserved it more than anyone else who competed for it. And it's his spot to do with what he wants. Sure it's not nice to the viewers, but he isn't obligated to entertain us (unless his contract with his team says he is).
Naniwa has always been a competitor, and a competitor alone. Entertaining fans was never on his list of priorities. He just wanted to win. But now that he doesn't like the game anymore, his team forcing him to play in IEM regardless (if that's actually true) means I can't really blame him for not wanting to play the full set. I guess if his contract says something about having to play or whatever, then he's shirking his contractual responsibilities which isn't good. But I have no idea whats in his contract.
In response to calh, I think we need to make a distinction between caring about the tournament and the game of starcraft versus caring about the integrity of competition in general. Naniwa's actions can still be explained if we understand it as him complaining about soundproofing as a competitor who thinks the competition is unfair. Even if he didn't care about winning or playing Starcraft anymore, he's still a competitor at heart and if he sees something unfair in a competition he's going to say something about it. Maybe. We don't really know what's in Naniwa's head.
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On March 22 2014 03:40 OpTiKcoyote wrote:
Couldn't keep quiet on this. It pisses me off when I see/hear such fortunate players that have achieved in some way sponsor ship to play the game (that some of us still love to death) full time as much as they want and then squander it for any reason at all. Some of us do what ever we can to get to play the game a little more and would do anything to have his opportunity, or any highly established player for that matter, to get to play this great game and push our skills as far as possible exploring everything that can be done this strategy game still has to offer. With nothing but the opportunity, time, money, and ambition to practice and improve? Sounds like a dream come true. Then just not caring and dropping it like marines on banelings...
I might be venting off more than just Naniwas incident about this type of topic but it does hurt to see these types of players in these advantageous positions for SC2 and just not caring while the rest of us sacrifice everything to play a few extra hours each day.
If someone doesn't enjoy playing StarCraft then why are they doing it.
If someone does enjoy playing StarCraft then why aren't they doing it?
To be fair to Naniwa, he earned his position with hard work and skill. That's what makes the whole thing so tragic and infuriating, there's nothing worse than watching someone squander their talent.
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On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance.
leads me to believe this thing is a work.
Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good.
TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation.
Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO.
Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget.
Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit.
six months from now no one will remember hte details of any of the IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out.
Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up.
Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left.
wp Naniwa, wp
i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off.
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On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. No one will remember hte details of any of IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off.
Sponsors generally don't want to be attached to teams which are a laughing stock. "ALL PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY" is usually an argument made by people that have never had to handle either.
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On March 22 2014 03:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. No one will remember hte details of any of IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off. Sponsors generally don't want to be attached to teams which are a laughing stock. "ALL PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY" is usually an argument made by people that have never had to handle either.
they won't they'll distance themselves from Naniwa "in the name of all that is righteous and good in esports".
Vince Mcmahon, Dana White and Don King handle it just fine.
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On March 22 2014 03:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:40 OpTiKcoyote wrote:
Couldn't keep quiet on this. It pisses me off when I see/hear such fortunate players that have achieved in some way sponsor ship to play the game (that some of us still love to death) full time as much as they want and then squander it for any reason at all. Some of us do what ever we can to get to play the game a little more and would do anything to have his opportunity, or any highly established player for that matter, to get to play this great game and push our skills as far as possible exploring everything that can be done this strategy game still has to offer. With nothing but the opportunity, time, money, and ambition to practice and improve? Sounds like a dream come true. Then just not caring and dropping it like marines on banelings...
I might be venting off more than just Naniwas incident about this type of topic but it does hurt to see these types of players in these advantageous positions for SC2 and just not caring while the rest of us sacrifice everything to play a few extra hours each day.
If someone doesn't enjoy playing StarCraft then why are they doing it.
If someone does enjoy playing StarCraft then why aren't they doing it? To be fair to Naniwa, he earned his position with hard work and skill. That's what makes the whole thing so tragic and infuriating, there's nothing worse than watching someone squander their talent.
I never said he didn't earn his skill. Everyone does that plays this game. It's one of the beauties of the game and Pro players opportunity. My frustration is that he had everything set (like many players) to get to play and push further in the game, and throws it away. An he has thrown it away again and again. I guess it's jealousy leaking out of me but damnit it just pisses me off to watch people do this that have this chance. To get to sit down work hard and compete and beat ProLeauge level players and further? Dream come true. Another player throwing it away. I'll shut up because I can see I'm becoming repetitive. Just damnit..
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On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. six months from now no one will remember hte details of any of the IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off.
No way. Alliance just wanted him to attend and represent the sponsors. Thinking this was planned for increased exposure is just tin foil hat nonsense. There is literally no evidence to back that up.
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On March 22 2014 03:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. six months from now no one will remember hte details of any of the IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off. No way. Alliance just wanted him to attend and represent the sponsors. Thinking this was planned for increased exposure is just tin foil hat nonsense. There is literally no evidence to back that up.
it might have only been planned by Naniwa... hard to say.
and if its planned properly there won't be any evidence because this is a simple caper to pull off.
match fixing is much harder than this.
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Everytime naniwa opens his mouth he comes out looking more like a little boy. "waah waaah I'm paid to do my job but I didn't want to". then resign like any grown up would do, otherwise STFU and do what you're paid to. I respect the skills but not the person. Not sure who I like less, him or idra. Either way good riddance.
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On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. six months from now no one will remember hte details of any of the IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off.
I think the sponsors probably know better than you do, better than anyone and if the past is anything to go by they won't be glorifying this behaviour, they'll be doing the opposite.
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On March 22 2014 03:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. six months from now no one will remember hte details of any of the IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off. No way. Alliance just wanted him to attend and represent the sponsors. Thinking this was planned for increased exposure is just tin foil hat nonsense. There is literally no evidence to back that up.
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On March 22 2014 03:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:47 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 22 2014 03:34 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 03:26 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. It would also reflect badly on you, if you sent in a player that hadn't practiced for the tournament, in spite of him saying he couldn't. That is also very poor man-management. Professionalism goes both ways. Just like human understanding. You say the management took full responsibility for it, shows the difference, does it not? Did you fire Crank for being unprofessional? Or did you know that eSport is a different level of professionalism, and told him to do better, as it reflects poorly on the both of you. Maybe there is a difference in TotalBiscuit the businessman, and John Bain, the human being. I think so. And I think you would never have put one of your players in this situation. Alliance doesn't have magic powers. Naniwa wasn't forced to go. He could have said no, but then he would have been released. So he went to IEM, pulled a nutty and got fired. If you don't want to go, don't. If it gets you fired, deal with it. That's the problem, Naniwa wanted to not go and still be on alliance. leads me to believe this thing is a work. Alliance gets to appear to be the knight in shining armour coming to defend all that is righteous and good. TotalBiscuit chimes in with his righteous indignation. Don't tell me esports can't have Good Versus Evil. ROFLMAO. Naniwa has already decided he is bored and leaving any way... so he gives an IEM RO16 match no one will ever forget. Had he forfeited without even appearing on stage then fine.. but nope.. he had to have his big dramatic exit. six months from now no one will remember hte details of any of the IEM RO16 except for the Naniwa walk out. Naniwa went out on his back and put over his team, IEM, and TotalBiscuit giving them more publicity then they'd even get if he just lost to Polt straight up. Naniwa continues his act as villian by lying about why he left. wp Naniwa, wp i wonder how much his bonus cheque from Alliance will be for pulling this off. No way. Alliance just wanted him to attend and represent the sponsors. Thinking this was planned for increased exposure is just tin foil hat nonsense. There is literally no evidence to back that up. i might have only been planned by Naniwa... hard to say. and if its planned properly there won't be any evidence because this is a simple caper to pull off. match fixing is much harder than this.
You need to watch less TV. No one plans to get fired in public and ruin theiir carreer. Life isn't that predictable and people like paychecks.
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looking forward to naniwa being good again in 6+ months and everyone forgetting this ever happened
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