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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
March 19 2014 23:37 GMT
#121
On March 20 2014 00:22 Pangpootata wrote:
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On March 20 2014 00:05 Grumbels wrote:
On March 19 2014 21:21 opterown wrote:
On March 19 2014 02:51 Lorch wrote:
On March 19 2014 00:37 Zenbrez wrote:
On March 19 2014 00:28 cekkmt wrote:
68/70 is a stupidly high win rate, even for practice. I wonder if those were ladder or customs.

I want to assume customs, because otherwise that would be a ridic amount of ladder games. But then again, I don't know over how many days this was. Regardless, that's truly an incredibly winrate


Solar confirmed on his stream that, just like brood war, no top korean bothers much with ladder. They mainly use customs as it's way more efficient practice, especially for a format like proleague and code s.

i'm not sold, a lot of very good players often say that to prepare for matches they focus on the basics and practiced on ladder rather than with specific players

I recall someone from woongjin saying that they would do 70% customs, 30% ladder. Seems like a good ratio.

Top players not bothering with ladder is ridiculous though.

If you look at ladder, the top Korean GMs have about 500-600 games, with some as low as 400 and some as high as 800, but let's just use 600 in our calculations. Ladder season began at the start of this year if I'm not wrong, so it's gone on for about 80 days. That's about 7.5 ladder games a day. Players practice like 10 hours a day and should play in excess of 40 games, but let's just assume 40 to account for days lost to attending live matches. So using these roughly estimated figures, we realise that less than 20% of games played by KeSPA progamers are on ladder.

Besides, people will only play standard builds or non-competitive builds on ladder to avoid revealing their secrets.



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On March 20 2014 00:08 Shinokuki wrote:
Annnnnd i still dont see any sc2 on korea's biggest streaming site: afreeca. 158 k viewers is really good but i stil dont get why sc2 can not even crack top ten in afreeca

KeSPA teams won't allow their players to stream as it's unprofessional. Do you see football players streaming their practice sessions? No, because it gives away their strategies. Even back in the BW days, only retired players would stream.



I mean i remember bw SPL/OSL having lot of viewers like 10-20k on afreeca but i don't see sc2. Maybe people watch on TV instead? sc2 shows on tv right?
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
March 19 2014 23:54 GMT
#122
i dont find the link anymore, but in bw, a terran on kt once said in an interview that "whoever practices with flash inevitably starts slumping. last week, i played 70 tvt practice matches against flash. i won once."

Im super happy to hear flash being in a more bright and optimistic mood. some months ago, when he was giving those depri interviews, i really started to worry about a lingering retirement. but who am i kidding - immortals dont retire.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 10:06:29
March 20 2014 00:41 GMT
#123
On March 20 2014 08:54 Black Gun wrote:
i dont find the link anymore, but in bw, a terran on kt once said in an interview that "whoever practices with flash inevitably starts slumping. last week, i played 70 tvt practice matches against flash. i won once."

Im super happy to hear flash being in a more bright and optimistic mood. some months ago, when he was giving those depri interviews, i really started to worry about a lingering retirement. but who am i kidding - immortals dont retire.

Ample said back when he was in KT, Flash's main TvT practice partner was ForGG and he had around a 50% winrate vs ForGG. but somehow when Flash would go out for actual games he would just absolutely stomp the opposition. It's that progamer force the opponent feels I think. like what other pros say about playing vs Jaedong/Bisu/Flash

On March 20 2014 00:22 Pangpootata wrote:
KeSPA teams won't allow their players to stream as it's unprofessional. Do you see football players streaming their practice sessions? No, because it gives away their strategies. Even back in the BW days, only retired players would stream.

http://afreeca.com/hirai21 apparently IM streams here. I dunno if IM is part of KeSPA though.
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