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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:15 Lorch wrote: Glad to see there is a pro that is brave enough to experiment. This guy did carriers v terran in code S last month ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/82/ZestPL.jpg) This guy did tempests v BOGUS in WCS s1 finals final game last year (yes, he is the topic of the thread) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/8/88/SOsPL.jpg/300px-SOsPL.jpg) It's obviously not on the fly experiments we're talking about here | ||
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Lorch
Germany3683 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:43 neptunusfisk wrote: This guy did carriers v terran in code S last month This guy did tempests v BOGUS in WCS s1 finals final game last year (yes, he is the topic of the thread) It's obviously not on the fly experiments we're talking about here I watched both of those games live.... One tempest game and one guy going carrier vs mech does not mean sos doing it now is not a good thing and experimental. No pro with a brain does these builds on the fly obviously, I don't really understand why you think experimental means on the fly... | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On March 16 2014 01:26 ssbmang wrote: It's sad to see units from any race unused, or called "bronze tactics". I wish that Battlecruisers and Carriers both returned to competitions. s0s had masterful use of the carrier because of upgrades and late game timing, that's worth respect - no matter your race. BCs ARE used in competitions. Ask Reality. They just take FOREVER to make. On March 16 2014 05:45 Lorch wrote: I watched both of those games live.... One tempest game and one guy going carrier vs mech does not mean sos doing it now is not a good thing and experimental. No pro with a brain does these builds on the fly obviously, I don't really understand why you think experimental means on the fly... lol I wanted to edit to mention that sOs is also the guy who was playing Tempests in S1 vs INnoVation of all people. Yeah, pros don't fuck around with shit they haven't practiced unless they don't care (kinda like what the TvZ race wars felt like from Terran, though that comp has since become meta). | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
This guy did carriers v terran in code S last month No.Stats build cariers.You post Zest foto | ||
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ssbmang
United States13 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:47 JacobShock wrote: Lol this must be tasteless second TL account. I agree that sOs play in that game was amazing and unique, but come on lets wait and see before we start dick riding the whole "changing the meta". Thats a very big statement If you watch the VOD the casters all say as much... all of them have "big statements" such as "No one expected this, I can't believe it, I was wrong about carriers" etc. I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek with the verbose meta game quote, but it does apply to a broader s0s tactic of throwing curveball builds around. His personal meta of being unpredictable is awesome to watch, like those brilliant mindgames in game1 v. taeja... | ||
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ssbmang
United States13 Posts
but, that's disrespectful to all players involved! Especially  TaeJa and Polt Who each fought super hard in well fought games. Not to mention CJ HerO who had some of the SICKEST comebacks I ever saw, and of course s0s who showed us all some very unique and exciting play. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
but if they upgrade air armour they don't die to carriers anymore. you have to match the upgrades. it would make sense if the same applies to terran. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:02 ssbmang wrote: If you watch the VOD the casters all say as much... all of them have "big statements" such as "No one expected this, I can't believe it, I was wrong about carriers" etc. I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek with the verbose meta game quote, but it does apply to a broader s0s tactic of throwing curveball builds around. His personal meta of being unpredictable is awesome to watch, like those brilliant mindgames in game1 v. taeja... Caster have a tendency to hype things, either out of excitment or for the hype itself. Granted the play was unusual and exciting, but lets wait and see if this actually affects anything PvT related. I remain skeptic  | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
I loved how incontrol after the game said that he was expecting every single engagement that the carriers get crushed because that was exactly what i thought all the time as well. Incredible how they swept the vikings away over and over again and barely carriers went down. Yes, he had an upgrade advantage, swept the marines away pretty easily with his non-carrier-part of the composition, but hell i thought that the vikings are going to win the air-battle or come out even at least. On a side note: this is never going to work under other circumstances. Jakji was incredibly defensive all game long, tried to catch the phoenixes instead of just pushing through and sos had a hidden base. The map is huge, which also favors this strategy. If he did that on a normal map he would get crushed. | ||
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fmod
Cayman Islands330 Posts
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GL999et1000
France229 Posts
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Tipany
United States368 Posts
has no one played against carriers, like EVER? | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
The only interesting thing is that he did that as a follow up to phoenix colossus, it's an interesting choice because he already had the upgrades and the tech quite early while doing a safe build and he could transition more easily. However I still think he could do it because of the particular situation he was in that game, it's not a solid style in general. | ||
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ssbmang
United States13 Posts
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
Edit: I just watched the vod again, there was basically no micro on s0s part during the battle. Every single unit got emped but he attacked move with carriers and won. These kind of games are terrible to watch and the fact these "bronze league" tactics are actually viable make me very sad. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
Terran actually doesn't have the necessary late game tools to deal with skytoss in the end game scenario.. which has always been the case. | ||
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ssbmang
United States13 Posts
s0s might have attack moved: but only after building the right comp at the right timing, using a resource advantage and momentum from previous battles... so don't sell any pro player short, they are all the best at what they do! I laugh at all this Power of Protoss whine because http://www.aligulac.com/reports doesn't show a significant enough skew (60-40). Maybe if the 5% win difference from 50-50 is SO BAD... I could see some more Terran buffs. But no need to nerf Protoss or talk such trash about "bronze tactics" of pro players and terrible games to watch (when many people said they were entertained). | ||
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Lorch
Germany3683 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:48 Loccstana wrote: It goes to show how terrible vikings are. They lose to carriers, pheonix, voidrays, tempest, basically any protoss air and ground unit that can fight back. Edit: I just watched the vod again, there was basically no micro on s0s part during the battle. Every single unit got emped but he attacked move and spammed storms and won. These kind of games are terrible to watch and the fact these "bronze league" tactics are actually viable make me very sad. No micro on sos part? I just saw Jjakji emping and then doing very poor viking target firing + zero storm dodging/splitting/kiting. Jjakji looked like he had never played against carriers before and sOs was decently far ahead and was already on his way to decent air attacks when making the transition. I think this game only shows that you can do a lot of shit with a uncommon strat + being ahead + your opponent messing some stuff up. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
sOs is such a smart Starcraft player. (I think herO is a better player, but, after watching that, I hope sOs takes the 100k.) | ||
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