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ssbmang
Profile Joined May 2013
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 22:28:29
March 15 2014 16:21 GMT
#1
I'd never thought I'd see this day... game 2 (P)sOs v. (T)jjakji

Artosis talking about how this changes everything! Other casters are all laughing about how NO ONE expected viable Carriers... InControl says he was wrong about Carriers being "worthless"

That 3 Stargate +3 upgrade Carrier Fleet switch with JUST ENOUGH resources to remax...

I welcome this confident playstyle, s0s is so brilliant with these exciting curveball builds! The best part is it only worked in a very certain situation and he sensed it!

Game 2 here:
"Sapere Aude"
H0i
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands484 Posts
March 15 2014 16:22 GMT
#2
But how would this strategy fare on a different map, without a hidden base, or when opponents know it's a possibility?
torJey
Profile Joined June 2012
Russian Federation6 Posts
March 15 2014 16:23 GMT
#3
If by new meta you mean bronze tactics.
Hey terrans, its your turn to feel the skytoss nonsense. Zergs are dealing with this for ages.
Fighting!
ssbmang
Profile Joined May 2013
United States13 Posts
March 15 2014 16:26 GMT
#4
On March 16 2014 01:23 torJey wrote:
If by new meta you mean bronze tactics.
Hey terrans, its your turn to feel the skytoss nonsense. Zergs are dealing with this for ages.


It's sad to see units from any race unused, or called "bronze tactics". I wish that Battlecruisers and Carriers both returned to competitions.

s0s had masterful use of the carrier because of upgrades and late game timing, that's worth respect - no matter your race.
"Sapere Aude"
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
March 15 2014 16:27 GMT
#5
On March 16 2014 01:23 torJey wrote:
If by new meta you mean bronze tactics.
Hey terrans, its your turn to feel the skytoss nonsense. Zergs are dealing with this for ages.


Ummm us Terrans have been feeling general toss nonsense for years. Skytoss is just another drop in the bucket.
torJey
Profile Joined June 2012
Russian Federation6 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 16:33:31
March 15 2014 16:30 GMT
#6
On March 16 2014 01:26 ssbmang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 01:23 torJey wrote:
If by new meta you mean bronze tactics.
Hey terrans, its your turn to feel the skytoss nonsense. Zergs are dealing with this for ages.


It's sad to see units from any race unused, or called "bronze tactics". I wish that Battlecruisers and Carriers both returned to competitions.

s0s had masterful use of the carrier because of upgrades and late game timing, that's worth respect - no matter your race.


The difference of BC and Carrier is that toss already has a zillion options and having another lategame unit isn't cool.
I wish terrans had t3.

Also simply building a unit isn't smart nor its considered new meta. It just shows that every protoss gas unit has perfect synergy.
Fighting!
ssbmang
Profile Joined May 2013
United States13 Posts
March 15 2014 16:33 GMT
#7
I'm a longtime lurker / reader, but this topic brought me out.

C'mon guys, don't hate on the race! Admit that the players are the largest of SO many factors into who wins.

All races have their overpowered nonsense. All races are OP and it's all about timings of greed / punishment.
"Sapere Aude"
anessie
Profile Joined August 2011
180 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 16:38:06
March 15 2014 16:35 GMT
#8
On March 16 2014 01:33 ssbmang wrote:
C'mon guys, don't hate on the race! Admit that the players are the largest of SO many factors into who wins.


No! This is team liquid, carriers are OP and need to be nerfed!

Now let's discuss balance for 5 pages instead of crediting sOs.


Ontopic: I think it's one of those once upon a time builds that work if you mindgame your opponent enough and can hide it long enough. Don't expect him to use that again this wcs season.
GreenFate
Profile Joined March 2011
France289 Posts
March 15 2014 16:36 GMT
#9
On March 16 2014 01:21 ssbmang wrote:
I'd never thought I'd see this day... game 2 s0s v. jjakji

Artosis talking about how this changes everything! Other casters are all laughing about how NO ONE expected viable Carriers...

Holy 3 Stargate +3 Carrier Fleet...

I welcome this NEW META.

Can't wait to post the VOD!


Calm down, this is very situational
ssbmang
Profile Joined May 2013
United States13 Posts
March 15 2014 16:41 GMT
#10
For sure situational, the only way this worked was as the final supply. But, exciting to see nonetheless.

I heard InControl say he was wrong about carriers being "totally worthless", I bet a lot of people feel that way. It's always nice to see players shaking up expectations, that's why s0s has been my favorite since s1 2013 wcs
"Sapere Aude"
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
March 15 2014 16:53 GMT
#11
i think on a map smaller than alterzim with a fast scout it gets shut down

but it was really cool to watch
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 15 2014 16:58 GMT
#12
KBB
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
March 15 2014 16:59 GMT
#13
This struck me as an extremely situational strategy that fell into place because of the map, hidden base situation, and the style of the two players. I doubt it will become a thing.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
March 15 2014 17:01 GMT
#14
On March 16 2014 01:30 torJey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 01:26 ssbmang wrote:
On March 16 2014 01:23 torJey wrote:
If by new meta you mean bronze tactics.
Hey terrans, its your turn to feel the skytoss nonsense. Zergs are dealing with this for ages.


It's sad to see units from any race unused, or called "bronze tactics". I wish that Battlecruisers and Carriers both returned to competitions.

s0s had masterful use of the carrier because of upgrades and late game timing, that's worth respect - no matter your race.


The difference of BC and Carrier is that toss already has a zillion options and having another lategame unit isn't cool.
I wish terrans had t3.

Also simply building a unit isn't smart nor its considered new meta. It just shows that every protoss gas unit has perfect synergy.

It is if it's the CARRIER!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 15 2014 17:01 GMT
#15
CARRIERS! ESPORTS PASSHUN IS RESTORED!
kiss kiss fall in love
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
March 15 2014 17:05 GMT
#16
Sorry I didn't see the game but didn't Stats play 3 stargate carrier in PL last round against a terran and win?
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ssbmang
Profile Joined May 2013
United States13 Posts
March 15 2014 17:28 GMT
#17
Yeah, carriers popped up once or twice over the years lol.



Holy buckets! Life v Taeja game 1 was super exciting also. Clutch Turret repair, those banelings, and a wild low supply late game...today has been awesome. I'll be sure to update the OP later.
"Sapere Aude"
Clicker
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
March 15 2014 17:31 GMT
#18
On March 16 2014 01:36 GreenFate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 01:21 ssbmang wrote:
I'd never thought I'd see this day... game 2 s0s v. jjakji

Artosis talking about how this changes everything! Other casters are all laughing about how NO ONE expected viable Carriers...

Holy 3 Stargate +3 Carrier Fleet...

I welcome this NEW META.

Can't wait to post the VOD!


Calm down, this is very situational

Yep.

It's a nice build for catching an opponent off-guard. It's not going to become standard or common by any means. We've seen dozens of similar builds from every race that are used to take a game off of someone in a series. These type of games are always enjoyable.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
March 15 2014 18:01 GMT
#19
He did similar stuff v Innovation in WCS S1 2013 and almost won
maru G5L pls
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
March 15 2014 18:08 GMT
#20
On March 16 2014 03:01 neptunusfisk wrote:
He did similar stuff v Innovation in WCS S1 2013 and almost won


Yeah but Artosis said that the map was much smaller and that sOs was going for Tempests instead of carriers
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