Daily esports has confirmed that CoCa has retired.
After starting his SC2 career on team ZeNEX, CoCa saw his career take off after joining team SlayerS where he achieved second place at MLG Raleigh 2011 and reached two Code S quarterfinals.
An unfortunate scandal with ByuN in the ESV weekly saw his career become derailed, after which he never fully recovered. After a period of poor results in StarCraft 2, CoCa attempted to switch to League of Legends alongside former teammate Puzzle. He returned to StarCraft 2 and joined Team 8 (later Jin Air Green Wings), after failing to find much success in LoL.
On March 12 2014 00:57 PixelNite wrote: CoCa retired ....
I hope JinAir will announce / do something for hit, a sad end for his career.
I just don't understand. CoCa comes out pre-season, destroys Stats in a legit game, then never gets played in Proleague again. I mean I understand team inhouse rankings, but goddamn. Give him a chance atleast Jin Air.
Sorry I just doubled posted, just passionate about this
On March 12 2014 08:16 ShowTheLights wrote: I just don't understand. CoCa comes out pre-season, destroys Stats in a legit game, then never gets played in Proleague again. I mean I understand team inhouse rankings, but goddamn. Give him a chance atleast Jin Air.
Sorry I just doubled posted, just passionate about this
Have you considered that it maybe could have been his OWN decision to quit?
it was is decizion :D , but its weird but maybe i understand he doesnt want to play and maybe he wants to go to school or make something else .. but if he returns to LOL ill be like men ...)))
Fuckkkkkk He looked so strong in Proleague preseason. If the decision to retire was all his own then I have no problems, but if it's because Jin Air refused to play him, he didn't make Code S, and obviously there was no way he could go to an international tournament then I'M HEATED
Ah this sucks, but probably the right decision seeing as a certain person pretty much destroyed his career when he had arguably the strongest ZvP at the time. Rebounded ok and would be able to compete, but he is not the same:/ Good player wish him the best.
On March 12 2014 08:44 duckk wrote: Ah this sucks, but probably the right decision seeing as a certain person pretty much destroyed his career when he had arguably the strongest ZvP at the time. Rebounded ok and would be able to compete, but he is not the same:/ Good player wish him the best.
Pretty sure it was CoCa's decision to go along with the matchfixing, no? He could have declined.
It's too bad he was that stupid back then... really liked him. Best of luck to him in his future endeavors.
That's too bad. I guess maybe it's been building up for a while and would explain why he was never used in proleague besides preseason even though he was in code a?
On March 12 2014 08:13 ShowTheLights wrote: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (((
CoCa and Puzzle gone.. sigh
Puzzle played Go4Sc2 yesterday, I don´t think, that he retired.
Sad thing about Coca though, he always had very enjoyable games, especially in Raleigh. And then that thing had to happen...
Aligulac got in contact with the guy puzzle that was playing in it and he said he wasnt former Slayers Puzzle so I think it's a different person with the same ID
On March 12 2014 10:32 MysterySC wrote: Never really cared about this guy. the cheating scandal was really hushed and someone who retires and comes back repeatedly just gets boring
Actually it was way overblown for what it was not hushed. And he got a pretty severe punishment for it.
I came to believe that retirements means nothing in the Korean since unless it's because they're going to the army. Everything else is just " I don't really want to play right now".
Jin Air will have to pick up some more players if Proleague returns to bo7 format for next season (I'm still keeping my hopes high). Rotating Maru, sOs, Cure, Rogue and TRUE is all fine, but not enough to contend with SKT1 for winning the league in that case.
On March 12 2014 10:54 Darkdwarf wrote: Jin Air will have to pick up some more players if Proleague returns to bo7 format for next season (I'm still keeping my hopes high). Rotating Maru, sOs, Cure, Rogue and TRUE is all fine, but not enough to contend with SKT1 for winning the league in that case.
On March 12 2014 08:13 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Man, talk about a player whose career was ruined by one incident.
Can someone explain the whole Coca/Byun scandal to me? I'm afraid I don't really know anything about it.
Read this post it should inform you on what happened.
That post still mentions the ESV Korean Weekly code A seed though which ended up not being true because they didn't have a seed for that season. Only the previous GSL season gave one The rest looked fine
On March 12 2014 10:32 MysterySC wrote: Never really cared about this guy. the cheating scandal was really hushed and someone who retires and comes back repeatedly just gets boring
I'm guessing you weren't actually around for when this happened since it wasn't cheating and it was a mountain made out of mole hill
That thoughtless thing with Byun proved to be the probable end of Coca... at least the fuel for the fire it needed. Unfortunate, but such is life sometimes.. He was a great player once
On March 12 2014 11:56 sharkie wrote: Reading the first pages of the thread of the scandal - why is coca getting any sympathy?
Are you serious? He left a game in an online cup to help a friend out. Obviously he wasn't in the right, but it was blown way out of proportion. Also, it doesn't have anything to do with him retiring NOW.
It was cool seeing him dominate in person at raleigh 2011. He was def. one of the top zergs when he was on point, but the scandal, the departure to go play LoL for awhile, and the return that never really saw him do anything (aside from a nice showing in proleague preseason) and it doesn't surprise me to see this. It also wouldn't surprise me to see him come back yet again lol. It was probably more his decision to quit than JinAir's.
He's moving on with life, which is probably for the best for him, due to lack of results and the limited career of a pro Starcraft gamer. Raleigh was a sick run, as well as his GSTL results in 2012 (season 2, particularly)
On March 12 2014 11:23 AllinMacroMicro wrote: who is coca lol?
zerg player that was in slayers and zenex before. was in code s for a bunch of seasons back in 2011 and had a 100% win rate in zvp for a while
Specifically, a 100% win rate in ZvP at a time when very few Zergs played well against Protoss. He made one one of the hardest matchups in the game's history look really really easy.
Edit: Also really cool to see a Sculp video in the thread. He was one of those guys who was supposed to be the next great player and never really made it. Line (SuHoSin), Whale and Seal were some others. And somehow I missed that TesteR is back with StarTale.
Well CoCa hasn't been playing at all since he returned in sc2 from LoL so I never expected him to stay as long as he did, but it is sad to see another EX-SlayerS go
I'd be more sad about this if I hadn't forgotten that he came back to SC2. In fact, I can't think of anyone that retired and came back that was able to compete at the same level they did beforehand =(.
On March 12 2014 12:46 Advantageous wrote: Well CoCa hasn't been playing at all since he returned in sc2 from LoL so I never expected him to stay as long as he did, but it is sad to see another EX-SlayerS go
Well he did play in GSL this season and beat Stats in the preseason for proleague.
I really stopped to perceive all this retirement announcements seriously for now cause of comebacks. Anyway, Slayers and Coca personally remind me about good times in eSports. GL and best wishes for him btw.
On March 12 2014 12:18 Dubzex wrote: Good riddance. The less matchfixing and cheaters the better.
The word matchfixing for what happened always sound very harsh to me. The guy didn't premeditate anything, he did it on the spot, thought there was nothing wrong (dumb I have to admit) until he was told apparently because the fixing aspect was all transparently said in the chat of the game.
Obviously, at this point, he thought that ESV weekly was more of a fun event different than GSL, GSTL or any other big event in Korea and was just playing for fun and he didn't realize the problem with what he was doing. I don't think that in any way, Coca has the spirit of a cheater. And really, it should not haunt him two years later.
Damn, I'm really sad to hear this, I still remember him from MLG Raleigh, his epic run and his final against Bomber, he looked really good but then never got any breaks after that...
Would sacrifice all the current Protosses to have Puzzle back and, I don't know, that entire Zerg-hive them North Americans have to get Coca back and winning? Yes, yes I would.
On March 12 2014 19:02 Anlo wrote: Would sacrifice all the current Protosses to have Puzzle back and, I don't know, that entire Zerg-hive them North Americans have to get Coca back and winning? Yes, yes I would.
sacrifice as in "rather have them end their careers" or "sacrifice them to the dark gods to restore Cocas aund puzzles playing passion with stolen spiritual energy"?
On March 12 2014 08:44 duckk wrote: Ah this sucks, but probably the right decision seeing as a certain person pretty much destroyed his career when he had arguably the strongest ZvP at the time. Rebounded ok and would be able to compete, but he is not the same:/ Good player wish him the best.
Pretty sure it was CoCa's decision to go along with the matchfixing, no? He could have declined.
It's too bad he was that stupid back then... really liked him. Best of luck to him in his future endeavors.
pretty sure slayers could've just NOT overreacted for no fucking reason but hey there you go
if he weren't a top 3 zerg in the world at the time i might not feel so strongly about it, but ffs... why rob him of the opportunity when he was at his peak?
On March 12 2014 11:56 sharkie wrote: Reading the first pages of the thread of the scandal - why is coca getting any sympathy?
HE THREW A GAME IN A TOURNAMENT NOBODY UFCKING WATCHED OR CARED ABOUT (and as a result that tournament died off a few months later). AND HE DID IT FOR NO MONETARY GAIN OR OTHER PERSONAL BENEFIT.
On March 12 2014 08:16 ShowTheLights wrote: I just don't understand. CoCa comes out pre-season, destroys Stats in a legit game, then never gets played in Proleague again. I mean I understand team inhouse rankings, but goddamn. Give him a chance atleast Jin Air.
Sorry I just doubled posted, just passionate about this
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
No one is for matchfixing but people blow it up like he threw a GSL final. He allowed a friend to get another game of practice in a tiny weekly cup that DID NOT give a spot in Code A as many people erroneously say. Then he got punished for it fairly severely and still after all of that people want that blemish to stick with him forever. Some people just feel a little sympathy for the guy.
When I was in EG-TL house (autumn 2013-ish) CoCa had the most games played out of everyone on KR ladder and was consistently in top 16 xD most people would be like 361-293 and he'd be around 541-469 lol. Saw him play epic games with JD and the others all the time
Was expecting him to be a top player on whatever team he'd be on and was always looking forward to his games but then we didn't really see him a whole lot. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him come back later but that's just wishful thinking
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
It is a common misconception that there was actually a Code A/Code S seed on the line in that tournament.
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
no it's a very common and unfortuante misconception
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
Well, as far as I remember: There could have been a Code A seed on the line, if everything turned out perfectly for Byun. I think he would have had to win this weekly tournament + the monthly final in order to get a Code A seed. But Byun kinda lost the round after he defeated CoCa, which basically nullified the effect of the throw.
And for CoCa there really was nothing on the line at all.
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
Well, as far as I remember: There could have been a Code A seed on the line, if everything turned out perfectly for Byun. I think he would have had to win this weekly tournament + the monthly final in order to get a Code A seed. But Byun kinda lost the round after he defeated CoCa, which basically nullified the effect of the throw.
And for CoCa there really was nothing on the line at all.
Nah. Just his legitimacy as a competitor, and his career as a pro-gamer. Nothing on the line at all.... After the match-fix, CoCa's career actually got pile-drivered into shit. He simply never appreciated the gravity of giving his buddy a free win and now, he has to go out and get a "normal" job.
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
Well, as far as I remember: There could have been a Code A seed on the line, if everything turned out perfectly for Byun. I think he would have had to win this weekly tournament + the monthly final in order to get a Code A seed. But Byun kinda lost the round after he defeated CoCa, which basically nullified the effect of the throw.
And for CoCa there really was nothing on the line at all.
Waxangel's post was literally 2nd to last before you decided to make yours, but you didn't read it anyway...
There was no Code A seed for that particular ESV tournament season. There had been one for the previous season.
There also were Code A seeds on the line for EWM, but that was a different tournament altogether that began its existence in 2012.
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
Well, as far as I remember: There could have been a Code A seed on the line, if everything turned out perfectly for Byun. I think he would have had to win this weekly tournament + the monthly final in order to get a Code A seed. But Byun kinda lost the round after he defeated CoCa, which basically nullified the effect of the throw.
And for CoCa there really was nothing on the line at all.
Nah. Just his legitimacy as a competitor, and his career as a pro-gamer. Nothing on the line at all.... After the match-fix, CoCa's career actually got pile-drivered into shit. He simply never appreciated the gravity of giving his buddy a free win and now, he has to go out and get a "normal" job.
*sigh* It's a shame you can't forgive one mistake from a teenager for which he served a hefty punishment. Plus how the hell do you know he doesn't "appreciate the gravity" of what he did? For all we know in hindsight that is his greatest regret. Please don't make those assumptions.
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
Well, as far as I remember: There could have been a Code A seed on the line, if everything turned out perfectly for Byun. I think he would have had to win this weekly tournament + the monthly final in order to get a Code A seed. But Byun kinda lost the round after he defeated CoCa, which basically nullified the effect of the throw.
And for CoCa there really was nothing on the line at all.
Waxangel's post was literally 2nd to last before you decided to make yours, but you didn't read it anyway...
There was no Code A seed for that particular ESV tournament season. There had been one for the previous season.
There also were Code A seeds on the line for EWM, but that was a different tournament altogether that began its existence in 2012.
Well... I did read it, but somehow Liquipedia tells me something else - or you define "season" differently than I do. For me, season 1 means: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1 :o And season 1 finals #3 gained the winner a Code A spot.
But: for the ESV tournament SEASON (Season 1) there definitely WAS a Code A spot on the line (At least for the third monthly final). It might just be the case, that the last 4 tournaments of the weekly season had no finals.
Oh my god. I agree with MasterOfPuppets someone help me! I'm a big proponent of "You do the crime you do the time." He committed a small "crime" and did his time in a BIG way. Coca didn't decide to throw the game before hand. He didn't have ANYTHING to gain from throwing the game. Hell, he hardly had anything to gain from WINNING the game. There was only 200 dollars on the line (NOT A CODE A SEED PLS) and he wasn't even in the finals yet. So if you want to condemn a teenager for helping a friend advance in a meaningless tournament for the rest of his life, go ahead. but let me remind you that you don't need to because he was already punished by Slayers, and they did not go easy. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm saying he didn't even deserve the punishment he got, let alone the residual anger of the community.
For all this debate about which pitchforks to use, I loved the guy's play. One of my favorite Zergs back then for sure, and was super excited when he got picked up by Team 8.
I'll miss Coca for sure, with, what seems like, very little hope of a return.
On March 12 2014 23:26 sharkie wrote: And here I thougttl the starcraft community might be against matchfixing. I guess not.
And here I thought people have even the slightest, tiniest amount of perspective on things.
Do you even know what matchfixing is? I see you've joined in 2012, even though you don the CJ team logo in your signature, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about the BW matchfixing scandal? Actually, I wonder if you know anything whatsoever about this incident in particular, since you joined after the fact? Did you just read some random guy's post and assume it was fact, without bothering to read on the real issue? Are you by chance mistaking the two events for one another?
Because it's one thing to lose pro games in literally the most reputed, respected and established tournament that exists within a game's scene, with clear premeditation and at least some intent, and get paid for doing so. It's another thing entirely to lose on purpose a game against your friend, in a tournament that for all intents and purposes was irrelevant compared to the big events, that the players treated with far less interest and respect (whether or not it's right for them to do so is a separate matter entirely), on the fly (that is, without premeditation), and without there being any money or any other personal gains on the line.
Do you legitimately not see the difference between the two cases? Are you that mindblowingly, stomach-churningly dense?
And here I thought people with four thousand posts on this forum might have at least a tiny amount of critical thinking or general intelligence, I guess not. :/
To me there is no difference between matchfixing in a big or a small tournament. Also saviour only matchfixed with his friends, so I guess thats ok!
There is no indication what matches were fixed in BW so its not comparable. And coca's tournament had an influence as well, Code A/S seeds are worth a lot
There were no Code A/S seeds on the line, what the fuck are you talking about?
I thought there were? A Code A seed if I remember... maybe I gotta look back lol
Well, as far as I remember: There could have been a Code A seed on the line, if everything turned out perfectly for Byun. I think he would have had to win this weekly tournament + the monthly final in order to get a Code A seed. But Byun kinda lost the round after he defeated CoCa, which basically nullified the effect of the throw.
And for CoCa there really was nothing on the line at all.
Waxangel's post was literally 2nd to last before you decided to make yours, but you didn't read it anyway...
There was no Code A seed for that particular ESV tournament season. There had been one for the previous season.
There also were Code A seeds on the line for EWM, but that was a different tournament altogether that began its existence in 2012.
Well... I did read it, but somehow Liquipedia tells me something else - or you define "season" differently than I do. For me, season 1 means: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1 :o And season 1 finals #3 gained the winner a Code A spot.
But: for the ESV tournament SEASON (Season 1) there definitely WAS a Code A spot on the line (At least for the third monthly final). It might just be the case, that the last 4 tournaments of the weekly season had no finals.
Season 1 Week 15 took place November 16, 2011. Season 1 Monthly finals that granted a Code A seed ended October 25, 2011. Unless they had time travel it is impossible for them to be related
There are 3 monthly finals in that season so I guess people were wrong when they said previous season and should have said previous month. There was actually no monthly finals for those last few weeklies in 2011.
EPT
CoCa has retired. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Yi5DzuX.png)
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