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Swisslink
2954 Posts
Blizzard bought IPL, didn't they? Shouldn't it be possible for those guys to run season 2/3? And of course there's Red Bull - and Red Bull, generally speaking, seems to like spending money on... everything they possibly can. I just hope one of those two runs the next seasons. Their tournaments have been the best in the NA scene, imo. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On March 08 2014 21:59 dizzy101 wrote: You're forgetting that a game cannot thrive if people only watch it. You need people who play it. The problem with SC2 since its inception has been a meagre playerbase. Simple as that. You need a huge playerbase BEFORE you can have a healthy pro-scene. Think of it as a pyramid with, at the base, the casuals and at the top, the pros. SC2 just doesn't draw casual players in, the way LoL and Dota 2 do. When you have more people watching RuneScape than SC2 at any given time, you know there's a problem. Blizzard had this coming due to the design of the game. Heck there's even more Diablo than SC2 viewers right now at the time of this post! | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 08 2014 21:44 Plansix wrote: Except all those people watching WCS, MLG, redbull and shoutcraft. But beyond them, you're 100% correct. Stop being silly, they are spectators, not organizers. Yes people like watching the game, just not enough to be profitable, which means very few tournaments have much incentive to promote the game. No one is making money off of this game. There is a reason why every single major tournament in NA has dropped SC2 or folded altogether, MG excepted. WCS NA is a pitfall, they had to foist it off on ESL to even have anyone to run it at all. | ||
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Rasias
Germany51 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:21 geokilla wrote: When you have more people watching RuneScape than SC2 at any given time, you know there's a problem. Blizzard had this coming due to the design of the game. Heck there's even more Diablo than SC2 viewers right now at the time of this post! I would guess that a lot of the seatstorycup viewers are currently watching hearthstone, as it's on the same stream as sc2 and many are interested in both. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:30 Plansix wrote: Man it's been over a month since we had a good "dead game" discussion and hate on Blizzard circle jerk. Good to see we still have the ability to go back to our roots. I envy you, must be so easy to dismiss anything you don't like as whining and "lol ded game". Have fun the echo chamber. Your sig is hilariously ironic. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17183 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:30 Plansix wrote: Man it's been over a month since we had a good "dead game" discussion and hate on Blizzard circle jerk. Good to see we still have the ability to go back to our roots. you don't need to tie the 2 issues together. you can love Blizzard and also see with an objective perspective that the SC2 esports viewer base and player-base is in decline. Blizzard has done a great job with SC2 and they provide the best support of any RTS game maker. I'm happy with Blizzard. Over the past 3 years SC2's popularity has declined. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:31 Squat wrote: I envy you, must be so easy to dismiss anything you don't like as whining and "lol ded game". Have fun the echo chamber. Your sig is hilariously ironic. Hey, I'm just glad we get to see you guys agai . We haven't seen you for a month or so. Something might have hapeened. Much like Peter Pan and hook, where would Starcraft be without the people claiming is was dying every time we got bad news. It just wouldn't be the same. Edit: you do know my sig is scarcastic, right? | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:36 Plansix wrote: Hey, I'm just glad we get to see you guys agai . We haven't seen you for a month or so. Something might have hapeened. Much like Peter Pan and hook, where would Starcraft be without the people claiming is was dying every time we got bad news. It just wouldn't be the same. Edit: you do know my sig is scarcastic, right? Your sig is ironic because you've bought into the whole notion of there being a bunch of people who seriously think the game is dead. You are just regurgitating a meme. The game is not dead, or dying, but it sure as shit is not healthy. Anyone who is not delusional can see that. Sponsors and tournaments want no part of WCS NA, those are just the facts. How we interpret them is up to us. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:15 Swisslink wrote: Well... Blizzard bought IPL, didn't they? Shouldn't it be possible for those guys to run season 2/3? And of course there's Red Bull - and Red Bull, generally speaking, seems to like spending money on... everything they possibly can. I just hope one of those two runs the next seasons. Their tournaments have been the best in the NA scene, imo. No, they just hired the former staff of IPL. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
Idra was what, a top 20 player in the US? Yet, he had to essentially retire because he couldn't qualify for any tournaments? In what profession/scene can you say "I'm a top player in my country (a big one)" but I had to retire because there was no hope? You're excluding one of SC 2's biggest draws so fans can see the likes of "theSTC." It's crazy, whether fair or not. WCS loves to talk about story lines, but the only storyline I've seen built since the new system is "stay tuned to find out who retires next." That's the only story I'm really aware of atm. You have to bring relevancy back to saying you're one of the best in your country. Players like incontrol are bad in the grand scheme of things, just like 99.99% of non Koreans. It's splitting hairs when coming up with different tiers for most non Koreans in comparison to Koreans. But, if being one of the best in the Americas had any relevance at all, Incontrol would probably qualify for every tournament, instead of relying on a catz friend list tournament. I just think it's crazy to know the biggest draws in SC 2, yet have so few of the popular players in the US have a shot at qualifying, when they're good players relative to other Americans... I'd like to see Nony be able to qualify for tournaments. If I have to wait for nony to be good, relative to Koreans, before he can qualify, then I wouldn't blame him or anyone for retiring before the fact. There's hardly anyone left for non Koreans to root for, because "their players" can't play in any tournaments to begin with.. | ||
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Luisa_2
Germany200 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
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horvaa
Sweden80 Posts
Rip nasl. Actually it was my favorite league /cast studio. All those rotti /mrbitter moments  | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 08 2014 19:35 Firestorm wrote: So its the Koreans fault that the NA players suck? If WCS NA can't survive with viewers watching Koreans then how on earth could they survive with no one watching the NA players? I don't know if viewer ship even goes into the equation or if NASL went bust simply because they had no idea what they were doing, but I can tell you right away that I would never watch WCS EU if there would be 1-2 Europeans among the top 16 in WCS EU. I think this discussion has been around more than once now, the region lock that was enforced meant little to nothing except for the qualifiers for EU, which provided an excellent opportunity for us in EU to watch entertaining matches on 11 different channels or so, covering fan favorites in probably 7-8 languages. The new challenger league system I find extremely poor, and has resulted in just a few glimpses of many other fan favorites that only got to show what they can in one Bo5, which was their whole season (if they lost). That being said, in the end we have the same number of Koreans in PL in EU since most of them didn't have to lift a finger to stay there. Contrary to WCS EU, the production of WCS AM qualifiers was probably the biggest fail in a long time, borderline entertaining in its own sadness and misery. It was supposed to be the moment where Americans by and large would be able to get a spot in the sunshine and get some hype. Of course, none of that happened thanks to NASL who couldn't handle the show at all. In the end I suppose the new soft region lock meant for WCS AM that more non-Korean Asian got into in WSC AM. In my opinion, this is exactly how not to build the American scene, from Chile/Uruguay to Canada. Blizzard, time to wake up. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On March 08 2014 22:30 Plansix wrote: Man it's been over a month since we had a good "dead game" discussion and hate on Blizzard circle jerk. Good to see we still have the ability to go back to our roots. When did I say it's a dead game? Or were you not targeting me? | ||
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klipik12
United States241 Posts
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
On March 08 2014 23:30 BaneRiders wrote: I don't know if viewer ship even goes into the equation or if NASL went bust simply because they had no idea what they were doing, but I can tell you right away that I would never watch WCS EU if there would be 1-2 Europeans among the top 16 in WCS EU. I think this discussion has been around more than once now, the region lock that was enforced meant little to nothing except for the qualifiers for EU, which provided an excellent opportunity for us in EU to watch entertaining matches on 11 different channels or so, covering fan favorites in probably 7-8 languages. The new challenger league system I find extremely poor, and has resulted in just a few glimpses of many other fan favorites that only got to show what they can in one Bo5, which was their whole season (if they lost). That being said, in the end we have the same number of Koreans in PL in EU since most of them didn't have to lift a finger to stay there. Contrary to WCS EU, the production of WCS AM qualifiers was probably the biggest fail in a long time, borderline entertaining in its own sadness and misery. It was supposed to be the moment where Americans by and large would be able to get a spot in the sunshine and get some hype. Of course, none of that happened thanks to NASL who couldn't handle the show at all. In the end I suppose the new soft region lock meant for WCS AM that more non-Korean Asian got into in WSC AM. In my opinion, this is exactly how not to build the American scene, from Chile/Uruguay to Canada. Blizzard, time to wake up. How can you build a scene if no one wants to watch that scene and is extremely unprofitable? WCS NA is not a charity and Blizzard does not have bottomless funds. They are a business. | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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